“Because in 2024, Ukraine is no longer facing Russia. Soldiers from North Korea are standing in front of Ukraine. Let’s be honest. Already in Ukraine, the Iranian ‘Shahedis’ are killing civilians absolutely openly, without any shame,” said Zaluzhny, adding that North Korean and Chinese weapons are flying into Ukraine. Zaluzhny urged Ukraine’s allies to draw the right conclusions. “It is still possible to stop it here, on the territory of Ukraine. But for some reason our partners do not want to understand this. It is obvious that Ukraine already has too many enemies. Ukraine will survive with technology, but it is not clear whether it can win this battle alone,” he said.

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    So we forever surrender any and all autonomy and agency in the face of nuclear blackmail? Folding on Ukraine now, only reinforces two lessons:

    1. Countries with nukes can bully those without them
    2. You should really get your own nukes to at least have somewhat parallel threat to any invaders/belligerence

    The NATO/CSTO ‘nuclear umbrella’ curbs the need or desire to seek a domestic nuclear arms program - Pakistan sought nuclear weapons in the 80s after their rival India got them, and the proliferation network afterwards arguably contributed to Iranian knowhow for their own weapons program:

    1987

    • Khan is suspected of having made an offer to Iran to provide a package of nuclear technologies, including assistance for the difficult process of casting uranium metal.

    • KRL begins to publish publicly available technical papers that outline some of the more advanced design features Khan has developed. The papers include information that would normally be classified in the U.S. and Europe and show that KRL is competent in many aspects of centrifuge design and operation. The papers also include specifications for centrifuges with maraging steel that can spin faster than earlier aluminum designs. Later, in 1991, KRL publishes details on how to etch grooves around the bottom bearing to incorporate lubricants. These technical developments are important for Khan’s P-2 centrifuges.

    1988

    • Iranian scientists are suspected of having received nuclear training in Pakistan.

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        Which nuclear power did the invading again? In 2014 and 2022? And who is the one constantly harping about nuking their enemies?

        If you buy into Euromaidan being a CIA color revolution, sure I guess, but that still doesn’t explain how the population mobilized both then and during the invasion to resist imperial Russian encroachment.

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            So the lesson here, is if you ever have control of an area you need to forcibly assimilate them against their will so they become ‘your’ people and decades later you can justify invading to defend Germans in the Sudetenland defend ethnic rights in Crimea.

            That’s the reason why the east/west split past the Dnieper river exists - the Imperial Russians ran their pseudo-genocide everywhere, the USSR kept trying whilst looting the industrial and agricultural spoils, and once the UkSSR got independence and were allowed to have their own national identity, they pursued it. The same happened in almost every former USSR holding, and we saw how Russia decimated Chechen society when they dared assert a desire for self determination.

            Please cite proof for this “zero enthusiasm” Ukrainians have for defending themselves you allege. Regardless, everything you describe is what happens during any war and mobilization - Russia already had theirs during peacetime because life outside Moscow is shit, and again during the last mobilization. They’ve resorted to mass recruitment of unwitting and desperate migrants and internal minorities being promised citizenship and cash payments.

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                There is zero evidence of Ukrainian people enthusiasm for this war

                You failed to retort to my direct challenge of this bullshit, so I’ll do your homework for you:

                In the first days of the application’s operation, more than a million reservists were registered; as of the beginning of July 2024, more than 2 million people had been registered in ‘Reserve+’.

                Hardly “zero enthusiasm” eh?

                Liberation of Crimea and Donbas a direct consequence of that provocation

                those powers should have liberated an ethnic minority being abused by an evil scourge.

                If Russia actually gave a shit about Russophones/ethnic Russians they installed in Crimea/Donbass, they should have repatriated them in to Russia under Russian protection. Not start a border crisis in 2014 or a full scale invasion that has culled the ‘DPRK’ or ‘LPRK’ population and callously thrown them into the battlefield for Muscovy’s territorial gains.

                Even more so, if the evil is being done purely by puppets wishing to diminish Russia by provoking war through the evil.

                Oh noes, poor poor puny Russia feels hurt because their Slav brothers former slave colonies rejected your yoke and domination! We’re vewy vewy sowwy we upset you, here’s more sanctions. Enjoy being friends with the hermit kingdom and Iran, what a group of nations to link up with.

                Ukraine’s nazi collaboration extermination camp past to take power and implement their hate

                Ukraine historical grievances towards the country that granted it freedom

                “Granted” lol More like the USSR was so corrupted and rotten it couldn’t hold onto the fringes of its imperial abolitions, and Gorbachev had to finally be the grown up Premier and realize the truth; The Baltics hate you, the USSR satellites hate you, the west distrusts you, China is picking you apart for economic gain, and your neo-colonial adventures in MENA are showing your true face to the global south.

                Ukraine post their 1991 liberation was relatively harmonious.  As obviously as Canada should be respectful and close to US, Ukraine should be to Russia.

                Harmony does not mean subservience and domination. Canada frequently tells the US to get bent, and I dont see US troops annexing a land bridge to Alaska or ‘protecting Quebecois minority rights’ by invading. Part or respecting others, is respecting the or autonomy and decisions.

                When you glorify manufacturing/amplifying hate and divisiveness as the best rulership of a country, you demonically immorally wish that country or its neighbours diminished and destroyed.

                So a Ukrainian national identity is antithesis with Russia existing? Or is it more that Russia refuse a to let Ukraine exist independently? 🤔

                500 rubles a have been added to your account, well done vatnik. You sure showed us that you aren’t posting unhinged screeds about ‘Russia has the RIGHT to dominate them’ or ‘we were ruthlessly provoked in to attacking, its your fault’ or ‘we deserve a buffer zone, fuck their self determination’.

                Nobody is talking about ending Russia, outside of letting Putin keep on bleeding it dry from within. That talk gets saved for Iran by the neocon hawks, dumb as that is.

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                    Crimeans have the right to not be ruled by nazis that hate them, and to keep their land. Crimea was a gift to Ukraine by Kruchev in late 50s. It doesn’t really have a Ukrainian identity

                    Yes it is majority Russophile/Russian population today, but if you actually care about humanism, you’re not going to like the reason why… it’s another case of the Russian state committing genocide against a minority people who dared assert cultural independence. It was never Khrushchev’s to ‘gift’ after Stalin ravaged the population for geopolitical reasons. It should be for the actual ethnic Crimean, Tartars, etc to decide, not for Russia to cynically abuse as a causus belli for a land grab.

                    Simply, where “national identity” = WW2 nazi leaders getting national holidays, and imposing apartheid on ethnic Russians, that “aritificially US transformed national identity” is choosing a hateful, unproductive, poking of a bear that is equally smart to all others who have poked a bear for purely whimsical stupidity. Russia’s peace terms/red lines have always involved a Ukraine existing independently.

                    Funny. Because what you claim Russia wanted, existed. And as recently as 1997 signed agreements of mutual peace, affirmed borders (including then semi-autonomous Crimea as part of Ukraine), and confirmed equal rights for all.

                    Russia cannot seriously claim other nation states as a required ‘neutral buffer’ whilst they themselves seek a return to empire. If the anxiety is truly about foreign invasion, then why wasn’t the border fortified AT ALL before? Finland and Sweden respected that request for neutrality for decades - and Russia proved that political norms, memorandums of understanding, and treaties were worthless - NATO membership is the best bet of territorial integrity against Russia.

                    If they weren’t doing it to themselves and lashing out against the whole world it might be funny. Instead there’s hundreds of thousands dead, even more wounded and maimed, millions displaced, and the world harmony thrown away - because one former KGB clown refuses to step off his gilded throne atop the carrion.

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      Believe me, a Ukrainian family that has endured 1,000 days of war simply wants peace. De-escalation is a crucial step toward preventing further loss of life on both sides of this devastating conflict.

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        I’m gonna let the Ukrainians, fighting and dying for their people and land, decide when they’ve had enough - but don’t forget that we are simultaneously in the process of abandoning them, and without military aid they see the writing on the wall.

        Understand that taking a ceasefire now without some kind of concrete security guarantee only lets Russia rearm and prepare another offensive at their leisure. Be it domestic nukes, or NATO membership, Ukraine needs an ace in their hand if they are to survive

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          If Russia makes any moves, the US and its allies have every square mile of the country under surveillance. Instead of pursuing peace, the US prioritized weapon sales and profits, with arms manufacturers benefiting immensely. Powerful interests align, and human lives are lost for profit. NATO should fulfill its purpose by standing against aggression if Russia rearms and attacks. However, this reactionary approach is flawed; meaningful preparations and dialogue are essential to achieve peace.

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            I wholeheartedly agree that the ‘aid-laundering’ into MIC was cynical and in the long term self serving, but almost all aid except IMF debt forgiveness is not fully altruistic and serves the donor and recipient - that’s the unfortunate reality of geopolitics.

            I’m gonna fight you on ‘meaning dialogue’ because ever since the Berlin Wall came down, the west opened itself to Russia, politically, economically, and culturally. And at practically every turn where the Russkiy Mir met opposition they’ve thrown shitfits and spurned regime change and invasions - do the million of former USSR vassals ‘belong’ to Moscow? Do the Baltics only exist as Russia’s buffer zone, forever denied self determination?

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              We also have to look at our past and come to the table ready to make it work. Meaning that both sides dont get 100% of what they want but can come to an agreement for peace. The US continuous building military bases around russia, this behavior doesn’t make us friendly to them. Thats why open diplomacy is so important, russians and Americans should know that their governments did everything to avoid war before sending us to the front lines!