• Troy@lemmy.ca
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      9 hours ago

      What about milk intended for me? I mean, my mom may have trouble producing at her age, but…

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      7 hours ago

      Fr. It tastes the same, barely taxing for the environment compared to cow milk (depending on the type of milk), plus you don’t torture animals. Sounds like a win-win-win situation to me

      Edit: Gimme your downvotes guys. I thrive on them 💅🏻

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        2 hours ago

        The main thing for me is most people are lactose intolerant to some degree. It can be worth trying alternative milks just to see if you feel better with it.

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          6 hours ago

          There are some brands that emulate the taste of cow milk for those who want that is what I meant. Obviously my view is skewed given that I’ve been vegan for like 4 years

      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        4 hours ago

        milking cows isn’t torture, but I’m pretty sure humans have a bigger carbon footprint than cattle

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          4 hours ago

          Forceful impregnation, constant pregnancy, kicked and beaten calves and their mothers, separation of calves from the mother and their killing. Shall I go on?

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            3 hours ago

            artificial insemination isn’t torture. cows aren’t kept constantly pregnant. kicking and beating cows isn’t part of husbandry. killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.

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              artificial insemination isn’t torture.

              Doing so to a creature who can’t consent is pretty wack though.

              cows aren’t kept constantly pregnant

              Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young. The dairy industry is for-profit, they’re not going to let their dairy cows have downtime from producing milk if there’s money to be made.

              kicking and beating cows isn’t part of husbandry.

              The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists. It is undoubtedly a part of animal agriculture. Here’s a whole paper about it, if it interests you.

              killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.

              It definitely isn’t the worse part of the miserable lives we make them live after breeding them in massive numbers. It’s probably a relief at that point.

              Also, just a sidenote here, I scrolled a bit through your history and you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy whenever you come across anything relating to veganism or the negative impacts of those industries. You engage with vegan content much more than I do and I’m vegan! I don’t think I can change your mind about veganism, nor do I really feel the desire to write any more than I already have. But, I don’t know, maybe go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff? It might make for a more enjoyable experience on lemmy.

              • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                2 hours ago

                you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy

                your characterization is irrelevant to the truth of what I’ve said.

              • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                2 hours ago

                go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff

                I don’t tell you what to do. kindly return the courtesy.

                further, I’m not riled up but your screed indicates you might be.

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                2 hours ago

                The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists.

                and that’s bad

                but it’s still not necessary to kick cattle for milk

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                2 hours ago

                Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young.

                they don’t have any volition in the matter. they produce milk. period. but they’re not constantly pregnant.