Honestly this is absurd. These death machines shouldn’t be legal in europe. That thing doesn’t even fit in the parking space, even though the parking lot has the biggest spaces in the whole city. The Golf Polo is so small in comparison, it could even hide in front of the engine hood of the truck.
EDIT: It’s a Polo and not a Golf, I don’t know my cars, sorry for that!
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Both of them are used to transport mostly a single person at a time. Even the small one is too big.
Fuck cars, not just big trucks. They all tuck, they all are responsible for the harm done.
But you forgot that the truck can be used to haul 4 pieces of lumber twice a year!
I also started to see more of these in urban areas of europe. Not a huge amount but still recognizable. I dont get why one would buy something like this. You wont even be able to find a proper parking spot for these.
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100% they are buying these to “protest” the “green agenda” or some bullshit like that.
That’s not very strong in EU, it’s mostly for ego, people buy cars that they think look like the image they want to display.
Here in Sweden it’s certainly not an insignificant opinion amongst car enthusiasts.
That’s not very strong in EU
??? Thats just wrong lol
In which EU country is there a notable percentage of people buying big cars to protest the green agenda? Never heard of it in France. I do know a lot of people who buy cars for the image and the social status however.
Towing and hauling larger than car type things.
“Big car = strong!”
No, it tows and fits a rear facing seat comfortably. Not sure what’s so complicated here.
Yeah, you absolutely need a wankpanzer to install a child seat 🤡
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TBF you mostly get auto golfs these days. Manuals are rare on most new cars.
That’s a Polo, not a Golf and show me a Golf (let alone a Polo!) towing over 5k lbs and I’ll show you an idiot with a death wish.
Oh and again, you don’t know anything about car with your “manual vs automatic” bullshit.
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A car frame is not rated for more than 1500lbs. You can’t tow anything but the smallest of trailers . Brake overheating as well as other issues can make that dangerous.
Only biiiiiiig car fit child seat.
Only big car tow.
True story.
Only if you have a handful of brain cells.
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Yes. Both cars fit the same amount of people but one driver is carrying a smaller package.
I see you know the driver of the truck. 😈
ayy lmao
The golf will also get farther with the same amount of fuel. Way farther.
That’s a Polo, the Golf is a tad bigger
In the States, the same choads that drive tankmobiles tend to complain about fuel prices and how it’s all big gubmint’s fault for stealing their fun (fun being defined as the ability to do 95 mph on the interstate and still pay under $50 for a tank of gas).
Just imagine those people being forced to pay European fuel prices…
Just yesterday I got gas for our car at a convenient price of 8.2$/gal (1.98€/l). E95, no idea how that compares to whatever the hell they sell on across the pond.
The last fuel station I saw on Sunday had E95 for €2.389/l - at a motorway in the Netherlands.
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Not with a flat tyre.
The car doesn’t have a flat tyre, it’s actually in the parking space unlike the truck…
I’d wager a sizeable number of half-ton pickup trucks are used solely as people movers, i.e. the bed and towing capabilities aren’t utilized. In many countries, trade workers more than manage with light vehicles, like kei trucks in Japan, so I think they’d work for the average weekend warrior too.
What always gets me is how shitty pick-ups are at transporting things.
A percussionist I know has a double cab van, I think it’s a Ford transit. It can haul 3 timpani, a drum, tubular bells, a bass drum and other smaller stuff all in one trip. And then it still has space for 5 people. Try doing that with a pick-up.
As a bass player, a VW Touran can fit two double basses and two people. Can’t do that in a pick-up.
Those are roughly the same size as a 150 though, aren’t they?
Why is a behemoth of a van OK, but an equal sized pickup isn’t?
Because pick-ups are truly unfit for purpose unless the purpose is to increase your confidence and sense of safety on the road. We are always gonna need utility vehicles for specific purposes. A percussionist is not hauling drums on the train.
You could easily do what you said with a pickup with a canopy though, while still having the towing and off road capabilities.
Can you forklift a pallet from the side? Nope the tub design doesn’t allow it unless you have a tray design.
Can you load a large ladder on it? No ladder/timber rack.
Is it good off-road? Perhaps, but the tub design over the rear tyres and back bumper make the departure angle poor, you’ll need rock sliders or a lift.
I think I’ll stick to wagons and vans.
You can put a roof rack on almost any vehicle, just BTW.
Show me how you transport a ton of gravel in your car please (and remember, a ton is more than the towing capacity of the vast majority of cars, so no cheating!)
The places around me will deliver it for quite cheap so the uh, 2 times in my life I need that I’ll just do that?
How often does the average person haul tons of earthen materials around?
In my case multiple times a year… plus construction material, furniture, motorcycles… In the end I need to haul heavy shit multiple times a month.
Yet, people would take pictures of my SUV and call me an idiot with no respect for driving a big vehicle… With a 4 cylinders that has a fuel consumption that’s the same (or better) as AWD cars that these same people don’t criticize???
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Most of your fuel use goes towards overcoming aerodynamic drag, especially at highway speed.
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All highway, 8.2L/100km, mixed, 9.5L/100km.
AWD cars with similar power (so mostly V6) are higher than that, even more so if I include towing capacity in the comparison.
What’s the car?
Just do a little bit of research into the fuel efficiency of various sized vehicles, the correlation is not direct and some larger vehicles get better gas mileage than smaller vehicles strictly due to efficiency. A small inefficient motor and a large efficient motor may yield the same mpg, but the large efficient motor is extracting more power from the same fuel source. And that’s not even getting into diesel versus gasoline…
I think its fair if people call you an idiot for buying an SUV to haul shit - there are far better vehicles for the job.
Yes, better drive a truck instead of taking my trailer with me just when it’s necessary, so I take more space and have worse fuel economy 👍
I mean with reasoning skills like that I’m not sure you should be qualified to drive either of those things lol
And what do they use to deliver it?
Professional delivery truck with a lifting bed to slide the earth off the back easily wherever you ask them to
A specialized vehicle, not a crappy pickup truck
Never a pickup truck, that’s for sure. Usually a tilt bed truck in my experience. Not something you’d generally want to drive unless you’re moving gravel.
Two words: commercial van. Seriously, they’re great.
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I have a small trailer. Towing capacity of my 2003 Subaru WRX is 1500 lbs. So I guess two trips? Truth be told, that’s why I have the trailer. For when I need to move a decent volume of random crap for work.
I don’t think the people here are complaining about pickups when used for work, but they are shit vehicles for daily driving. And, this is my personal opinion, crew cabs are usually not utilized to transport workers. More than not, I expect they are because they think they’ll take the family or kids in it. Even then they usually drive without any passengers.
I get that a lot of workers don’t want to have two vehicles, but pickups are not good daily drivers.
Pickups are just worse vans.
Can’t fit an ATV in a van, and no I won’t use a trailer because I’m already using one. Trucks have their uses because vans don’t have an open top.
Seriously discussion here always feels impossible. They’re sitting shit taking the truck while in a Euro city with great public transit. BOTH are unnecessary with the right context.
There are many things you can’t fit in a van. There are many things that fit in a van, but don’t fit in a pickup truck.
Generally, a van fits more things, takes up less spacs, has a better visibility, are more efficient and don’t look ridiculous.
And yes, believe it or not, there are vans that fit ATVs.
That’s a good way to get run over by an ATV in a crash.
Yes, in both pickup trucks and vans.
Let’s ignore that people have been using vans in Europe to haul heavy things for years. Let’s ignore that you can strap things down to the railing inside the van Let’s ignore the protective barrier between the driver and the cargo space.
10/10 argument.
I have driven a van with a cargo barrier, it was rated for 90KG. Do you know how heavy an ATV is? More than that.
The lashing points would also tear out in a big enough impact.
You’re talking shit.
I don’t care enough about towing ATVs, listing all possible vans, or you to continue this conversation.
All I know that, at least in Europe, we’ve gotten around fine for decades without pickups, and everyone in a pickup is assumed to be a knob or an american.
Do many trades genuinely work out of Kei trucks? I feel a lot of people here don’t understand just how tiny they are.
headlights shouldn’t be allowed that high on road vehicles, blinding menace on wheels.
I think the most absurd is, that even former basic cars like the Polo get bigger and bigger. Modern Polos seem to take up more space than a gen. 1, 2, or even 3 Golf - but with barely more space inside.
Effects are, they take up more public space when curb parking, perversely hindering their brothers to get through. Some just barely fit single garages built in the 50ies, totally inconveniencing the driver trying to get out. One’d thing people buying these would see these self created problems, but apparently not.
Yeah basically all modern cars have tiny interior volumes, even tho externally they are huge.
As a comparison, my 2014 Nissan Note can maximally carry 2012 liters. The 2023 Renault Espace - a label whose name literally means spacious - can only carry 1818 liters. And that’s while it’s 50cm taller, wider and longer than the Nissan while weighing a whopping 50% more.
I don’t know about interior volume, but the only modern cars that I’ve been in that I actually considered spacious on the insides are those newer Civic models. Like from 2015 or so. My friend has one of them, they’re decently compact from the outside, but my god the only time I’ve had that much legspace and headroom in a car was in vans.
Now, admittedly, you’re not gonna be hauling sofas and fridges with one, but as a people mover and grocery getter? Really damn good.
Exactly. I honestly think my 2 door saloon has more capacity than all these light SUVs.
Ok but a lot of that space is taken up by crumple zones and the like, things that make far fewer people die. Euro NCAP legislation drives a lot of the change you are seeing, and a lot of it for the better.
Crumple zones do not reflect the ridiculous proportions of that pickup truck.
The VW has perfectly fine crumple zones for a collision with another car of up to double it’s mass and size. They are also designed to give pedestrians a fighting chance of minimal injury in built up areas.
Due to the arrival of these pickups, all cars need to get bigger and more reinforced to deal with a collision.
Trucks are actually the vehicles that have increased in size the least if you compare the same models (same brand, same cab and bed), height is the only major difference that make them seem much bigger than the older models and that height is due in part to safety standards, including the capacity to hold 1.5 times their weight on their roof.
Completely agree, Crumple zones, sound deadening, side impact safety bars, airbags, rollover reinforcement, even just the structure of the seats has changed dramatically over time. Sit in a mk1 golf or polo and marvel at the exterior coloured painted metal on the inside of the car, and now think, how was it ok to make a car with this little safety?
I hate how not mini the Mini is now.
I mean, the Mini Cooper S is really only 7” longer and 200lbs more than it was a decade ago, and the rest of the dimensions are pretty much the same. There are loud of other models they make which I do agree aren’t very small lol
a decade ago
That wasn’t a MINI either. The last really small MINI was produced 23 years ago. See also here: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mini-cooper-1990-3-door-hatchback-vs-mini-cooper-2013-3-door-hatchback/
They don’t see their big car being the issue. They complain about parking spaces so small these days that they “have to” use up multiple/park halfway on the curb/block the biking lane.
How else are you going to let people know you lost the genetic lottery?
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You could fit more people in the truck if you had a decent circular saw.
You mean living people?
I’m sorry that these are starting to show up outside of North America.
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now do 2x4s or couches
I understand not liking unnecessary large trucks with giant wheels that have never seen dirt in their lives. The same guys that like to rev their engine anytime they leave. But this just looks like a standard work truck. Maybe the back is full of tools? Maybe he’s going camping. Camping is dope.
This isn’t standard. Nothing about that vehicle is standard.
If it’s for lugging tools, get a van. They’re safer and better for the job.
If it’s for camping, get a van.
These trucks make no sense, other than financially to car companies.
Vans… Have like 100mm clearance. All work vehicles suck gass, but a single truck doesn’t scream “fuckcars” to me. The right tool for the job and such.
Whereas the hottest month in human history definitely screams “fuckcars” to me.
Only Americans ever think these are the right tool for the job. If you guys want to keep your trucks that kill people at an incredibly outsized rate, fire away. But they are a plague that most Europeans rightly want to keep out.
In America, many trades do use trucks to transport things. Farmers may use a pick up truck like this to haul hay or feed in the back. Construction companies and contractors will use trucks to move small loads of dirt or gravel. Lumber and plywood. Concrete blocks. Building supplies, scrap metal or machinery.
The open bed does make it easier to load and unload stuff in the back that does not need to be covered, and can allow you to use a forklift. But at a certain point if you’re moving a lot of heavy stuff a flatbed truck is it going to be more effective.
Still, way too many people buy trucks and never use them. They are very expensive and a lot of people go heavily in debt in buying these fancy overpriced vanity trucks. I think they cost between $75,000-$100,000 these days!
My former boss I knew well owned a truck like this. He was the boss of an electrician company and used his vehicle for a great many roles, towing stuff, bringing electrical and repair equipment that was pretty large, and taking the family for vacation. So the only reason a person should be looking at a vehicle like this is if you have a lot of different things to do with it
In Europe, there is no good reason to own this. It doesn’t fit anywhere. There are other, better options in every single circumstance. Including pickup trucks that are designed for and fit our roads. These trucks are simply too big, they’re a menace.
Trucks have a higher towing capacity than vans, generally.
Trucks can fit awkwardly sized stuff in the bed, unlike vans. I’d love to have seen my dad drop a welded heat exchanger he worked on for an industrial boiler into a van with a bobcat.
Work trucks absolutely make sense.
The bed in that thing is probably about the same size as the bed of a kei truck. Most pickup trucks in the US typically have beds about that size. If you really need to tow something enormous you’re better off getting something designed for the purpose. People everywhere else in the world get around all the time with car-sized pickups like the older Hilux.
Only the US has such big pickups, and it’s because the EPA allows less stringent emmissions standards the larger the vehicle is, so I guess it works out cheaper to just make the truck bigger and not bother dealing with tight standards. So ironically the EPA’s regulation is creating more emmissions.
I’m afraid it’s not because there’s a good, rational reason to want a truck like that.
Kei trucks can’t go very fast, and their load capacity isn’t nearly as much as a truck like this. They are really awesome though!
The bed in that thing is tiny compared to its size, and they are incredibly unsafe at speed. You don’t want them to go fast, especially not in the middle of a city.
It’s in germany and parked at a train station with no company logos on the vehicle. I only see it on workdays so it’s sadly most likely a commuter.
Also standard work trucks in Germany are Vans, most people get a Mercedes Sprinter (or similar vans) for that. Plus you can customise your Sprinter to have a truck bed. Neat!
Yeah, my truck is great when I want to buy some furniture at ikea.
But this just looks like a standard work truck. Maybe the back is full of tools? Maybe he’s going camping. Camping is dope.
Sure. Two issues though.
- Small trucks like they used to build a while ago would be better at pretty much all of those use cases than the monsters that get build today
- big trucks have become the default for people that never do any of those things
So as a result, there are way more way bigger vehicles on the road endangering all road users and wasting resources for no benefit besides lining the pockets of the manufacturers.
Cool, how much can the Polo fit in the back? How much can it tow? What’s it’s off road capabilities?
Whether people actually use those capabilities is a different question, but these vehicles are in no way equal.
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