As the AI market continues to balloon, experts are warning that its VC-driven rise is eerily similar to that of the dot com bubble.

As the AI market continues to balloon, experts are warning that its VC-driven rise is eerily similar to that of the dot com bubble.

  • aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    11 months ago

    So now we’ve pivoted again from mainstream usage to some hypothetical country where the government asks for every transaction you ever do… But also in which the citizens have unfettered Internet access, and it’s still not clear what you’d be doing on there that isn’t criminal.

    I dunno man, seems pretty fringe to me.

    I also think there’s a way to make digital cash, but I highly doubt distributed ledgers are a good way to accomplish that. Seems like any good version of digital cash would be easily usable and exchangeable offline, easily verifiable without going back through the history of the planet first, and not carry with it a complete transactional history as a functional requirement.

    Ironically enough scammers today already use things similar to the above as actual currency right now, they call them Amazon gift cards.

    The “decentralized” bug has bitten you so good that you don’t see how an alternative, actually useful form of digital currency could be created with a central signing authority (or several). IMO “decentralized” is yet another “feature” that serves no meaningful purpose.

    I’d recommend buying drugs in person and in cash.

    • Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      11 months ago

      So now we’ve pivoted again from mainstream usage to some hypothetical country where the government asks for every transaction you ever do… But also in which the citizens have unfettered Internet access, and it’s still not clear what you’d be doing on there that isn’t criminal.

      We haven’t pivoted anything. I use cryptocurrency to increase my privacy online. But each country has different laws and there are countries with corrupt governments.

      I also think there’s a way to make digital cash, but I highly doubt distributed ledgers are a good way to accomplish that. Seems like any good version of digital cash would be easily usable and exchangeable offline, easily verifiable without going back through the history of the planet first, and not carry with it a complete transactional history as a functional requirement.

      I’m sure it would be easy to create something centralized. But if you want decentralized there might not be any other way. This video explains some of it: https://youtu.be/bBC-nXj3Ng4

      Ironically enough scammers today already use things similar to the above as actual currency right now, they call them Amazon gift cards.

      Yes. Unfortunately some of them make their victims buy cryptocurrency instead.

      The “decentralized” bug has bitten you so good that you don’t see how an alternative, actually useful form of digital currency could be created with a central signing authority (or several). IMO “decentralized” is yet another “feature” that serves no meaningful purpose.

      You could say the same about the Fediverse. In both cases it’s not true though. In cryptocurrency decentralization is there to eliminate the problem of trust. It’s a trust-less system, because it doesn’t rely on central authority. You accuse me of bias for no good reason. If there was another form of online payment that provided anonymity, I would use it. But there is no alternative right now. I would love to use GNU Taler, but it’s not used anywhere. You have made up your mind about cryptocurrency without having basic knowledge on the subject and you accuse me of bias.

      I’d recommend buying drugs in person and in cash.

      I don’t buy drugs, but people who buy them online use Monero. Thanks for the recommendation though.

      • aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        11 months ago

        You could say the same about the Fediverse

        Why? It is a feature in the fediverse in a meaningful way.

        I can go to a different Lemmy server when mine is down. The only thing it’s missing is some type of open id integration to allow me to carry my account between servers.

        And that’s versus decentralization in “currency” which provides me? Trustless? Stores of value? How can I meaningfully make use of any of it? If the ledger forks off, it essentially creates a new coin. The standard way to obtain coin is now not through mining because mining is too resource intensive (by design) but through a centralized exchange anyway because you can’t trust random strangers on the Internet. Seems like a meaningless buzzword that’s summarily explained as being advantageous to the people that made the original coin and nobody else.

        There’s multiple problems with the way crypto bros like yourself talk about crypto but one of the problems is that you conflate a bunch of concepts around currency, markets, currency exchange, investments, payments, and ledgers simply because crypto technology is a giant, indecipherable mess that didn’t meaningfully distinguish between any of these concepts.

        You have made up your mind about cryptocurrency without having basic knowledge on the subject and you accuse me of bias.

        I have “basic” and even advanced knowledge about cryptocurrency. Monero isn’t even as private as you’re pretending, and Bitcoin (and most other coins) are not private at all.

        Just a brief search will show you the multiple exploits that can compromise monero privacy, and while there are other coins that claim to solve those problems it doesn’t get you around the fact that every transaction is stored forever and that is a design requirement for these types of crypto coins.

        • Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          11 months ago

          And that’s versus decentralization in “currency” which provides me? Trustless? Stores of value? How can I meaningfully make use of any of it?

          You don’t have to trust a bank or some company. Nobody can deny you access to your money or prevent you from using it. It’s not something you make use of, it’s just a property of cryptocurrency.

          If the ledger forks off, it essentially creates a new coin.

          So what? This is decided by the people who use the network, not by a central authority.

          The standard way to obtain coin is now not through mining because mining is too resource intensive (by design) but through a centralized exchange anyway because you can’t trust random strangers on the Internet.

          But using the currency still doesn’t require trust. You are wrong though, since there are decentralized exchanges too and they don’t require trust. I’ve already told about Bisq. Other ways of getting cryptocurrency are buying it from an ATM (done that) or accepting it as payment for your work (this is rare, but I’ve heard of it).

          Seems like a meaningless buzzword that’s summarily explained as being advantageous to the people that made the original coin and nobody else.

          It is not. You should read about it before making up a conspiracy theory.

          There’s multiple problems with the way crypto bros like yourself talk about crypto but one of the problems is that you conflate a bunch of concepts around currency, markets, currency exchange, investments, payments, and ledgers simply because crypto technology is a giant, indecipherable mess that didn’t meaningfully distinguish between any of these concepts.

          This is ridiculous. Cryptocurrency or any other technology is not an indecipherable mess. It’s nothing new and we know exactly how it works. You can read about it on the internet. There is no conspiracy to make it difficult to understand. I event sent you some links. I haven’t said anything about investments, so no idea how that’s relevant or what it has to do with this technology, since that’s not its purpose.

          I have “basic” and even advanced knowledge about cryptocurrency. Monero isn’t even as private as you’re pretending, and Bitcoin (and most other coins) are not private at all.

          I’ve never said that Bitcoin was private. I’ve said that it can be used anonymously unlike any other form of online payments (except other cryptocurrencies). Monero is probably the most private online payment option that exists.

          Just a brief search will show you the multiple exploits that can compromise monero privacy, and while there are other coins that claim to solve those problems it doesn’t get you around the fact that every transaction is stored forever and that is a design requirement for these types of crypto coins.

          There is nothing that can let you figure out someone’s transactions with 100% certainty. Governments could try this and they might be able to track some targeted individuals, but not everyone. This is better privacy than any other payment option provides. There is a whole video series about Monero’s security, but I haven’t watched it yet: https://youtu.be/WOyC6OB6ezA

          • aesthelete@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 months ago

            You don’t have to trust a bank or some company. Nobody can deny you access to your money or prevent you from using it. It’s not something you make use of, it’s just a property of cryptocurrency.

            Nope, you just have to make sure that you don’t accidentally get swindled or defrauded online (often in ways that aren’t possible with, you know, a normal bank account or a wallet with some money in it). Also, I don’t have to trust the bank to keep my deposits. The FDIC exists. Frozen assets and bank accounts aren’t something I concern myself with daily as a normal person who isn’t running a money laundering, mail fraud, or other type of crime ring.

            EDIT: I also left out here that you also have to make sure to remember your password / passphrase information so that you won’t lock yourself out, as many people have already done and will continue to do because there’s no really good way for most people to store this information.

            But using the currency still doesn’t require trust. You are wrong though, since there are decentralized exchanges too and they don’t require trust. I’ve already told about Bisq. Other ways of getting cryptocurrency are buying it from an ATM (done that) or accepting it as payment for your work (this is rare, but I’ve heard of it).

            How do you convert USD to one of your crappy coins with a decentralized, trust-less exchange? I get how you can transfer around between cryptocurrencies (though I have no idea why you’d want to) once you’re inside of crypto, but how about when you are holding actual money?

            Never mind, you just do it through a cEnTRaLiZEd service (that already has your banking information…see step #3 of “getting started”): https://bisq.network/getting-started/

            Wow, I can really see the usefulness of this “feature”. Also, how does that ATM to bitcoin conversion happen, pray tell? Through magical pixie dust, or through a series of services provided to ATM vendors, which almost certainly comply with existing banking laws?

            Cryptocurrency or any other technology is not an indecipherable mess.

            The tech sucks (blockchain is more of an albatross than a gift given from the heavens that crypto fellaters seem to think it is), but more than that the rhetoric and philosophy around it is an indecipherable mess. It’s buzzword soup, full of people who are trying to “invest” in a currency when that’s not what you’d ever do with a currency in the first place. Payment systems and currency aren’t the same thing…except in crypto because everything is a knotted mess and it’s a Ponzi scheme masquerading as some leap forward in tech…a solution looking for a problem.

            There is nothing that can let you figure out someone’s transactions with 100% certainty. Governments could try this and they might be able to track some targeted individuals, but not everyone. This is better privacy than any other payment option provides. There is a whole video series about Monero’s security, but I haven’t watched it yet: https://youtu.be/WOyC6OB6ezA

            Again, cash exists which offers much better privacy protection than Monero. If I want privacy in transactions I’m going cash 10 times out of 10. The security of Monero is again a tack-on because it cannot change the way that crypto works generally (a huge ledger which cannot be altered ever and records every single transaction):

            https://www.wired.com/story/monero-privacy/