• Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Forget the brainworms.

    The only thing that matters is working class vs ruling class.

    Brainworms can be solved if you can first get people on working class vs ruling class. You have them listening to prole agitators instead of the bourgeoise. The brainworms were injected by the fact they’ve been listening to the bourgeoise in the first place, once you get them away from that and into a communist sphere of influence you can melt them away.

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      I agree with you completely. It’s clear he gives a shit about the greater good even if his analysis sucks. The latter can be fixed. Well not in this guy’s case — he’s fucked.

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        Yeah my point is not so much about this guy but how discussion about this guy can be channeled. Not just this guy but the sentiment “shooting CEOs is good actually” is literally everywhere now, which is NEVER going to be something the right supports.

        A highly upvoted comment on Ben Shapiro’s video condemning the shooting was “if the left supports this call me a leftist then”.

        All we have to do to actually get people to hear us out is use the right language when they open the door, then fix the brainworms once they’re actually listening to us. The biggest barrier is getting them to listen in the first place.

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          Gotta strike while the irons hot. People are temporarily amenable to radical action, so they will be more willing to listen to ideas they normally tune out

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      To be true, it need to be consistent against discrimination that divide the working class (such as racism, patriarchy and imperialism). So one who imply in class struggle, shall not be class first However I honestly didn’t get how this kind of position could be right wing. There is consistent left position in both atheism and religious. Moreover, both religion and political atheism are trusted by far right.

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        I don’t think we need to create perfect communists.

        What we need to create is a party large enough and organised enough to seize the moment. And a proletariat angry enough to do revolution.

        ANY party that is large and well organised enough to… ORGANISE… Will defacto become the vessel of revolution because people will be forced into supporting whatever is realistic and available when it happens.

        Hamas for example has all the weapons, largely because of supporting allies in Hezbollah and Iran. This used to be the PFLP but then the soviet union fell and that’s where their supplies were from so they’ve dropped off as the most realistic vessel for resistance in Palestine, people support the most realistic thing that can do resistance and that thing happens to be who has the most weapons.

        The same scenario plays out in revolutions around the world. Those with the most organisational power (and the most ability to do violence) will leap to the forefront of a revolutionary situation. The people will want neither of the main parties, they will want whatever the most realistic next possible is. The job of communists is to become that and be ready for the opportunity, then seize it decisively when it comes and fend off opposition.

        The members of the party need to be perfect communists, for obvious reasons, the party needs to be led well and have good ideology. The people that follow it do not, it’s beneficial but not important for purism among the proletariat itself.

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    Looks like he has a mishmash of stupid opinions, but his manifesto is pretty good, and his actions were very good. Critical support for green Mario.

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    Remember when speaking with those outside of Hexbear: Someone who expresses right-wing ideas while performing leftist actions (or vice versa) is truly neither left nor right, they are an inconsistent reactionary. If we resonate with a left-wing action taken by a reactionary, then we are resonating with the leftist aspect of the action and not the reactionary aspect of the actor.

    In this way we can hopefully support the action while also decoupling ourselves from criticisms of the actor. If that’s something you want to do in this situation.

          • I thought about it a little more and I think it’s probably best just to go with “critical support” since the deed is already done.

            The importance of refocusing adventurism on organized efforts seems diminished when there is hardly any adventurism - and hardly an party politics - to begin with.

            But I’d still rather not be the arbiter of that decision lol

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              Well, adventurism isn’t going to get society there. It might inspire some people to organize, or at least gather around an issue. When something seen as tragic or heroic happens, it sometimes inspires people to do something about it, but it might as well have no results. Even if all of the ceo died today, tomorrow just as many would be in their places.

              • Yes I very much agree with that. The system has endless options for bodies to fill chairs. Nothing really changes until there are systemic changes, which adventurism alone cannot achieve.

                My reason for support is more measured - people are inspired but 99.999% will not follow in his footsteps. We can be there to show them that they can contribute to change without doing anything so grand. The energy right now can be directed toward basic activities, seized by reactionaries, or it can dissipate. I don’t think the first option is realistic unless we show a little critical support.

                Also I think it’s pretty alienating in this moment not to. I’ve seen a small minority of people (including all of the US media) oppose this particular event strongly and they sounded really disconnected.

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    This is from 2022 though. NY Post was claiming he was posting anti-capitalist and Ted Kazinsky shit somewhere. I haven’t seen it. His twitter stops 2022 and I suspect that’s around when his relative got fucked by United. I suspect he becomes a theoryless anticapitalist or anarchist.

    It should always be assumed that lone wolf assassins have some wild highly individualistic personal theories if any.

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      It’s more of a symptom that the left does not exist in America, so that disenfranchised people turn to the populist right which then funnels away all the radical energy.

      What has the left, if there exists such a movement, done to advance healthcare rights during a global pandemic over the last few years, an opportunity handed to them on a platter? The answer is none, if anything they completely folded to the establishment narrative. So there shouldn’t be any surprise why the left keeps losing ground in America.

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      I don’t think he’s an ideologically committed right winger tho, he just has a confused ideology because he’s the perfect target demographic for the algorithm to serve right wing shit to. His twitter feed is pretty much what I’d expect from an average techbro college student.

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        he just has a confused ideology

        There’s is an entire ideology for techbros that exists as an outgrowth of Deluze/Guattari, Lyotard and Mark Fisher which often mixes with the Kazinsky/Linkola/Hardin set at the “green” edges. It’s modern advocates are the Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, and Hoppe. They literally name their magazines shit like Thermidor Magazine, their ideological views are based on similar history that Marxism is. In fact many of them have read Marx and agree with various observations historical, ideological, and sociological, but not the prescriptions.

        It’s not “confused”, it simply has the following premises:

        1. History does not trend toward progress
        2. People are not are equal
        3. The over class (often based on some kind of “philosopher king” or “titan of industry” vague qualification, but at their most honest are often explicitly racist) deserve the “fire of Prometheus” (technology, capital, power) because only they can wield it responsibly.
        4. The under class do not deserve the “fire of Prometheus” because they cannot form a stable society (insert more racism/bullshit here)
        5. By accelerating the contradictions they see in society, they can force a cataclysm that consolidates and binds the underclass and reinvigorates the over class.

        It’s a messianic reskinning of capitalist boom and bust cycles. They aren’t confused. They know what they’re saying. They simply cannot close their eyes to the types of observations that they’ve heard from leftists that resonate with them, they simply decide on different causes and different rectifications.

        You’re not gonna fight this on “leftist” ground simply because some of them also hate healthcare. They’ll agree with your arguments on healthcare and ignore you for the rest.

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          For the record, your posts on this subject are a breath of fresh air. It’s so tiring seeing all the idiots on this website tripping over themselves to justifying their continued desire to lionize this guy.

          Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it’s he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special ‘heroic’ twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.

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            Mostly all He/Hims too, but I doubt pointing that out would be taken very well. What a shocker that it’s he/hims that have no issue with their favorite special ‘heroic’ twink of the day being a reactionary acclerationist.

            And probably all white; considering I haven’t seen one em_poc poster actively rallying for him in the wake of the (alleged, bc I don’t really know how much I believe Luigi == Robin Hoodie reporting just yet) information hitting the 24/7 news cycle.

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          I know this is a real ideological current but I don’t think the average techbro dude that reposts Elon tweets knows anything about any of this.

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    That doesn’t make any sense. The crux of right wing ideology is that profit is the highest virtue, and if someone can’t afford the commodified necessities of life this results in, then they don’t deserve to live. Why would they kill one of their heroes?

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      I’m no conspiracy theorist, and I don’t have any other corroborating evidence, but his banner has an x-ray. I’m wondering if our guy got himself into serious medical debt with a denied claim, read the :deny-defend-depose: book and went from there?

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        what funny is it isn’t anywhere on his goodreads list. maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn’t log it

        i guess it’s possible he became laser focused obsessed in the last 6 mos after his own issues and his grandparents died. best case scenario really.

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          He falls off Twitter and the injury picture are my only “evidence”

          maybe he picked it up in the last 6 mos and didn’t log it

          Oh he logged it. Gave it a three out of six if I recall deny-defend-depose

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        Seems like the most likely scenario. If he’s a standard brainwormed techbro he might not have cared or thought about health insurance until it fucked him over personally and decided to take things into his own hands

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      To the right-libertarian, the truest believer in free markets and capitalism in the abstract, a monopolistic corporation is a scandal. These sorts of middlemen are not part of the libertarian’s idealized conception of capitalism. Therefore this CEO would be preventing the smooth and morally good functioning of capitalism.

      He’s basically an ancap ancaptain, which imo fits perfectly well on the right-wing side of things.

      I think this guy has personal experiences due to some sort of spinal fusion seen in his Twitter banner. So, his politics may only be a part of his motive.

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        A good thing to remember is that an-caps believe that it is government regulations that mess up the market operating ‘correctly’, and that ‘Obama-care’ manipulated the ‘free market’ and forced healthcare insurance corporations onto the American public.

        They can absolutely hold a grudge against ‘corporatists and statists’. The fact of the matter is that regardless of his ideology, even if he was an an-cap this doesn’t actually do anything. It’s good and funny because CEO’s are some of the most worthless people on the planet, but not exactly a project builder.

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    He did seem to drop off the radar, cut contact with friends and family for 6 months.

    So while he probably does have incoherent and reactionary beliefs. Judging his motives from old posts may not accurate.

    He could have turned into the correct kind of communist or gone fully fash or something way weirder in that time.

    Wonder what his manifesto says.

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    You guys are so easy to fool. All the Adjuster had to do was find this schmuck who looked vaguely like him and dump all his evidence on him and then boom, the patsy gets picked up and the Adjuster gets off scot free! Hell, he probably called in the tip himself!

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        Just incredible. Pull something like this off and then do amateur-hour shit like keeping evidence like that on you and the gun allegedly. If you’re intent on being caught at least do something cool like filming yourself and posting your manifesto read by yourself online to immortalize yourself a bit. Just waiting for the cops with the all they need on you is silly.

        I’d totally believe the whole cops planted it on them thing if it wasn’t for the amateur-hour acts of them getting his DNA and him taking off his mask to smile at the camera just because the hostel desk person asked him to with a rib about having a nice smile. DNA isn’t so easy to fake in a court case with defense lawyers and attention like this. Like if it wasn’t him and the cops were trying to just plant this stuff I’d expect they’d have killed him instead to wrap up the lose ends and never made the DNA claim or walk it back.

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          According to the police, the guy had an orgy of evidence on him. Ghost gun and silencer, anti-insurance manifesto, false ID matching what was used at the hostel.

          If its not him, its one hell of a coincidence. Dude was doing so well and then he simply forgot to stay low an extra few days.

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            He left DNA in 3 places, was filmed unmasked multiple times, didn’t change before getting on a bus,etc…
            And now this blunder?
            Super smart Ivy league bro hasn’t been doing well from the beginning, a matter of time.

            • Left his DNA in 3 places

              I say this as a molecular biologist, bull fucking shit they have solid DNA evidence. They had what, shell casings and a gum wrapper right? Gum wrapper could be anyone’s, it’s the middle of midtown manhattan. Shell casings, how do you know they didn’t roll in a puddle of spit from when he was walking down that street 2 days earlier?

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                This is what they said.
                A water bottle was also specifically mentioned. And no I don’t know they didn’t roll in a puddle of spit from when he was walking down that street 2 days earlier. But neither do you. There are dozens of cameras that could show him throwing it or the water bottle, and still could’ve left DNA on the casings.

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              I’m more inclined to believe they were able to facially recognize/trace him all the way to Altoona PA, and the McDs call in was just what sealed the deal.

              Did the police fabricate his social media history? Come on.

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          yeah from the report I read, they were lucky some random person called the tip in. Once they detain the guy he has all the evidence they need (fool, idiot). Not done and sealed quite yet, but it’s not looking great.