Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stressed that no country or world leader has the right to negotiate with Russia on behalf of Ukraine. He noted that any dialogue with the Kremlin must be held according to an agreed action plan and only from a position of strength.

Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine’s long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

  • GuitarSon2024@lemmy.worldEnglish
    101·
    4 days ago

    This is a solid take, but the other side of the issue is the question of how long will it take the brainwashed Russian population to realize the economy has passed a point of no return? Outside of major cities much of Russia lives in 3rd world poverty. Will they even notice if the ruble falls to zero?

    • XIIIesq@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      4 days ago

      Some might not notice a change in the economy, but they will notice that their sons are being taken and that they are not coming back.

      Approximately 1 in 1000 Russian males have now been killed. How many more will have to die for the average Russian to say “no more” is a tough question.

        • XIIIesq@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          I used a population of 143,000,000 divided by an estimated death toll in Ukraine of 70,000 and assumed half of the russian population is female.

          1 in 100 might be correct if you only consider men of a fighting age.

          • thebestaquaman@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            Holy shit, I haven’t looked at the numbers in a while, but

            • Russian population: 140 000 000
            • Male population: 70 000 000
            • Male fighting age population (18 - 60 years): Very approximately 50 000 000 (I honestly just made up a number a bit smaller than 70)
            • Documented KIA: 85 000
            • Projected actual KIA: 170 000 (Note: Prigozin claimed 120 000 KIA in June 2023)
            • Projected number of severely wounded: Roughly 500 000

            Result:

            • Roughly 0.34 % fighting age men killed
            • Roughly 1 % of fighting age men severely wounded

            This has to be getting close to a point where most Russians know someone personally that has been killed or severely wounded in the war…

            • XIIIesq@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago

              I heard a while ago that a very well connected person (the sort of person that doesn’t need to work and could spend all their free time maintaining family relations and friendships) would really only be able to maintain family relations and friendships with about two hundred people. The sort of people that say “I have 1000 friends on Facebook” are talking complete bollocks, there’s a huge difference between a relationship/friendship and an acquaintance that you haven’t talked to for fifteen years. The average person truly knows many less people than this, usually in the low dozens.

              Using your figures and assuming that these relationships are 50/50 male/female, even these very well connected people would statistically still know less than one injured soldier and have less than a 1/3 chance of personally knowing someone that was killed.

              I know this comment assumes and extrapolates quite a bit and the idea is somewhat of a tangent from the original comment, but I think it’s quite interesting.

              • thebestaquaman@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                True, I did a quick calculation and the probability of knowing someone killed or severely injured is

                • 12.5% if you know 10 people
                • 23.5% if you know 20 people
                • 33.5% if you know 30 people
                • 41.5% if you know 40 people
                • 49% if you know 50 people

                So around ⅓ Russians know at least one person that’s been killed or wounded, and around 10-20% of Russians have someone in their inner circle of friends and family (10-20 closest) that have been killed for wounded.

                For this last number to reach 50%, the number of killed+wounded needs to reach about 5% of the fighting age population (≈2.5 million).

                Of course, the above assumes that casualties are randomly distributed in the population. In reality it’s likely that fewer people know someone killed or wounded, and that those that know someone likely know more, because of the casualties being disproportionately effecting more rural regions of the country.