Couldn’t it be that the center of newlyborn galaxies are massive enough that many black holes form and then the black holes merge together, creating one supermassive black hole?
That’s a whole different discussion, which is why I left the question there.
The answer is likely no. Galaxies, unlike a good chunk of stars, are almost as old as the universe itself. The youngest observed galaxy has actually been found to have stellar signatures that give it an age of 1 billion to 10 billion years, and I suspect James Web will find more, inevitably confirming it too formed at the same time as more other galaxies.
The supermassive black holes are quite likely primordial black holes - they came into existence shortly after the big bang (and there is debate on which big bang they formed with - yes, there is a working theory that there were two the conventional big bang, and a dark matter big bang).
The problem with black hole mergers being the source of them is that space is huge. When the Milky Way Collides with Andromeda, it’s very possible that no stars, let alone the supermassive black holes, interact between galaxies. They will possibly change shape but due to the gravitational interaction of the two galaxies dark matter.
A lot of theories are waiting on data from James Web. The really interesting part, is that the further back in time we look - we still see galaxies that have formed. As I mentioned earlier with the two big bang theories is that there is now some thought that the universe isn’t as finite as well believe, but it is cyclical. We are aware of the heat death of the universe, where the space between individual particles is too great to sustain an interaction. We have two possible ages of the universe, shortly apart from eachother.
Current research is looking at the relationship between particle chirality, the mystery between matter and anti-matter imbalance, the distribution of dark matter, and primordial black holes to see if it can be linked together. One of the more popular theories right now is that dark matter is likely a class of weakly interacting massive particles that we know a lot of characteristics of, but need something orders of magnitude stronger than the LHC to produce it.
Wow, thank for the very detailed reply, I am so excited to be fortunate enough that maybe in my lifetime someone will find out just a little bit more of these questions.
I wonder if the difference between near and far stops making sense when the universe reaches total heat death. Maybe it’s just a senseless guess, but what if that’s how a singularity is born? When a universe dies?
It feels more religious than scientific to say but given how we observe that nothing is created or destroyed but rather is changed, why shouldn’t it apply to a Universe?
I really like the way the videogame Outer Wilds tackles this question, using scientific knowledge as a basis to pose a more philosophical question about the life and death of a universe
There is also a theory that states that black holes, since they are singularities - are infact their own universe. It’s also not entirely unrealistic to apply that to our universe being in a black hole itself.
We know the observable universe has an age. In fact, we know there’s a limit to what we can see. We can locate galaxies 32 billion light-years away, but the redshift of its spectra confirms it is still about as old as the universe. Theoretically, just like an object falling in a black hole stretches forever, our expanding universe is the exact same phenomenon. There exist no spacetime paths that allow anything to escape our universe.
Couldn’t it be that the center of newlyborn galaxies are massive enough that many black holes form and then the black holes merge together, creating one supermassive black hole?
That’s a whole different discussion, which is why I left the question there.
The answer is likely no. Galaxies, unlike a good chunk of stars, are almost as old as the universe itself. The youngest observed galaxy has actually been found to have stellar signatures that give it an age of 1 billion to 10 billion years, and I suspect James Web will find more, inevitably confirming it too formed at the same time as more other galaxies.
The supermassive black holes are quite likely primordial black holes - they came into existence shortly after the big bang (and there is debate on which big bang they formed with - yes, there is a working theory that there were two the conventional big bang, and a dark matter big bang).
The problem with black hole mergers being the source of them is that space is huge. When the Milky Way Collides with Andromeda, it’s very possible that no stars, let alone the supermassive black holes, interact between galaxies. They will possibly change shape but due to the gravitational interaction of the two galaxies dark matter.
A lot of theories are waiting on data from James Web. The really interesting part, is that the further back in time we look - we still see galaxies that have formed. As I mentioned earlier with the two big bang theories is that there is now some thought that the universe isn’t as finite as well believe, but it is cyclical. We are aware of the heat death of the universe, where the space between individual particles is too great to sustain an interaction. We have two possible ages of the universe, shortly apart from eachother.
Current research is looking at the relationship between particle chirality, the mystery between matter and anti-matter imbalance, the distribution of dark matter, and primordial black holes to see if it can be linked together. One of the more popular theories right now is that dark matter is likely a class of weakly interacting massive particles that we know a lot of characteristics of, but need something orders of magnitude stronger than the LHC to produce it.
Wow, thank for the very detailed reply, I am so excited to be fortunate enough that maybe in my lifetime someone will find out just a little bit more of these questions.
I wonder if the difference between near and far stops making sense when the universe reaches total heat death. Maybe it’s just a senseless guess, but what if that’s how a singularity is born? When a universe dies?
It feels more religious than scientific to say but given how we observe that nothing is created or destroyed but rather is changed, why shouldn’t it apply to a Universe?
I really like the way the videogame Outer Wilds tackles this question, using scientific knowledge as a basis to pose a more philosophical question about the life and death of a universe
There is also a theory that states that black holes, since they are singularities - are infact their own universe. It’s also not entirely unrealistic to apply that to our universe being in a black hole itself.
We know the observable universe has an age. In fact, we know there’s a limit to what we can see. We can locate galaxies 32 billion light-years away, but the redshift of its spectra confirms it is still about as old as the universe. Theoretically, just like an object falling in a black hole stretches forever, our expanding universe is the exact same phenomenon. There exist no spacetime paths that allow anything to escape our universe.