• crank0271@lemmy.world
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    From the article:

    "…journalist Liz Pelly has conducted an in-depth investigation, and published her findings in Harper’s—they are part of her forthcoming book Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Costs of the Perfect Playlist.

    "Now she writes:

    ‘What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform.’

    In other words, Spotify has gone to war against musicians and record labels."

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      Ngl, I canceled them and haven’t gone back since. Don’t really miss it much, I try to use the same cost as my subscription to buy music every month on CD when I can.

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        I have recently discovered Qobuz (French company). You can purchase digital music. They aren’t cheap, but they have selection and hi-res music (sometimes 24 bit).

        But good on you for the CDs, too!

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              I’ve used them plenty but…

              They recently got acquired by a turd company and if I remember correctly, already issued a round of layoffs.

              Don’t recall the details. Check.

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        I just want to remind people that you may still have a used CD store in your city, also 2nd hand stores for CDs. They tend to be quite cheap these days.

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        I cancelled it the second I found out how easy it was to get it for free.

        I still buy FLAC releases individually from artists I like, I just use Shittify for discovery. Fuck 'em.

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    There’s a reason why artists have to sell 50$ t-shirts at shows. Back in the days, the label would leech you dry, and now it’s Spotify, on top of your label

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      Yes and…

      Lily Allen and Kate Nash are on OnlyFans and make more money there…

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        Yeah, but that’s probably partially due to their existing fame.

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          Well, yeah.

          They make more money from OF than from Spotify… and they are not doing porn.

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    The last and only truth I needed to know about Spotify was it’s 250 million dollar deal with Joe Rogan, who is antivax incel cancer, and that was it for me. No need to learn or know any more about them.

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    An obscure Swedish jazz musician got more plays than most of the tracks on Jon Batiste’s We Are—which had just won the Grammy for Album of the Year (not just the best jazz album, but the best album in any genre). How was that even possible?

    LOL a couple obvious reasons are that Spotify listeners don’t get to vote for grammy awards - only a few thousand people do - and to be eligible for a grammy an album has to be released in the United States. The awards are more heavily influenced by album sales than subjective judgements of musical quality. Jimi Hendrix never won a grammy. Neither did Bob Marley or Diana Ross. There’s a lot already wrong with the grammys.

    The fake musicians and possibly AI-generated songs are more interesting. If the music industry is trying to eliminate musicians it wouldn’t be to avoid paying them - they’ve already figured out lots of ways to do that - it would be to have complete control over the music.

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    For ease of reading, the investigation he refers to:

    https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machine-liz-pelly-spotify-musicians/

    In short: fake artists with stock music (changing labels and other camouflage applied). Likely goal: to depreciate streaming counts for actual artists and increase profit margins.

    What I uncovered was an elaborate internal program. Spotify, I discovered, not only has partnerships with a web of production companies, which, as one former employee put it, provide Spotify with “music we benefited from financially,” but also a team of employees working to seed these tracks on playlists across the platform. In doing so, they are effectively working to grow the percentage of total streams of music that is cheaper for the platform. The program’s name: Perfect Fit Content (PFC). The PFC program raises troubling prospects for working musicians. Some face the possibility of losing out on crucial income by having their tracks passed over for playlist placement or replaced in favor of PFC; others, who record PFC music themselves, must often give up control of certain royalty rights that, if a track becomes popular, could be highly lucrative. But it also raises worrying questions for all of us who listen to music. It puts forth an image of a future in which—as streaming services push music further into the background, and normalize anonymous, low-cost playlist filler—the relationship between listener and artist might be severed completely.

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      I’m just amazed they haven’t tried to use AI to write and record their shoddy muzak, cutting out the musician all together.

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    “Our single best hope is a cooperative streaming platform owned by labels and musicians.”

    Oh yeah that worked great with movie and television streaming. I really like to pay the same price for just a tenth of the selection…

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        I was thinking about the Paramount Decrees and how the repelling lead to the creation of studio owned streaming servies which has exclusive acces to the studio’s library like Paramount+, Disney+, Discovery+, apple Tv+, Peacock etc.

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    After comparing the sound quality of Amazon, Spotify, Deezer and Tidal, the dynamic range of Tidal really stood out - even in lowest quality. At that time, I read that Tidal had the highest payout to the artists. I also like that the service is partially owned by several artists.

    The recommendations and feeds are really top notch, just the right mix of stuff I know and like and nice surprises. The “Daily Discovery” often explores a certain genre or mood. There are so many cool bands I’ve found - also from genres I don’t usually listen to. I can wholeheartedly recommend the service.

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      Or Qobuz, which is like Tidal, but better and they never tried to sell users on made-up MQA hi-res.

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        I heard of Tidal a long time ago but their non-English support is simply missing. It doesn’t even show the original Japanese titles of many songs I listen to.

        How about Qobuz?

        Edit: Tested Qobuz and the Japanese support was quite bad too. I searched for a Japanese artist, their name showed up but only one song was there. Tried searching for the title of a song instead, no hit. I thought I was region blocked. Then tried romaji and finally more results, mixed in English and Japanese though. In Spotify I can search in Japanese, English, or romaji when I’m too lazy to switch input method. Also in Qobuz lots of Japanese artists’ profiles were incomplete.

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      Insulting the artists too. Just like when Daniel Ek said that the “content” on Spotify was “basically free” to make.

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      I’m all aboard Spotify alternatives, but this post is an echo chamber of people that are far more likely to know “the difference”. We aren’t representative of Spotify’s customer base.

      Most people listening to music probably wouldn’t be able tell the difference from cutting the quality down by double digit percentages. This is exemplified by the number of people using wireless headphones.

      Spotify certainly could offer service on par with Tidal and similar, but being beholden to shareholders that only look at the bottom line and never the quality of the service, that executive might not be right, but they’re not exactly wrong.

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    But I am grateful for independent journalism, which is now my main hope for the future.

    Well guess who’s in control of eyeballs on those journalists?

    Social media companies, who have clear incentives to deprioritize such content and have repeatedly shown they do.

    Let’s reclaim music from the technocrats. They have not proven themselves worthy of our trust.

    While I agree with the article, I have issue with this line. These are not technocrats, they are “leaders” willing to make companies and their products objectively worse in the name of short term profits. These aren’t ‘technical experts put in charge,’ they are greedy, spineless pigs.

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    the german tv channel ARD actually published a three-part investigation into Spotify and Eventim middle of 2023 where they spotlighted this issue as well. it’s a great watch if you understand german!

    it’s called Dirty Little Secrets

    EDIT: here’s episode two, the relevant one where they investigate what they call “ghost musicians”

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    The only people who make money on Spotify is Spotify. Support artists directly if you want them to continue to create.

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      Is there a streaming model that better supports artists, has a large catalog of music, and is reasonably affordable?

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          From what I recall it’s better but not much better. They also shilled for their snake oil MQA format but thankfully they are moving away from that.

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        The best thing you can do for artists is pirate everything (cutting out Spotify etc), and purchase an album a month from a band/artist you actually want to support. Buy direct for the artist, or Bandcamp (especially on Bandcamp Fridays)

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        Apple Music pays over double per stream to artists and is better quality audio than Spotify.

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    I have always been surprised that Spotify was so popular. I used them a while back and was abhorred with how shit the experience was. Stopped and never touched it again.

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      Once something gets critical mass and becomes “default,” it doesn’t even matter, people just use it and take it.

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    didn’t they sue someone for doing this on his own? I guess they want to be the only ones doing it.

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    I understand that it’s a different model that will not work for everyone. But check out Bandcamp’s payout model. Find new music via internet radio/MusicBrains (I don’t remember RN the name of music exploration based on that)/yt and buy it via the model that is straightforward and at least seems to put the most money in artists’ pockets

    Bandcamp also has a “discover” feature where you can set which genres you are interested in. I did find some interesting albums this way too

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      I’m a bandcamp user and buy stuff regularly there, only because they are the lesser of all evils… but what is their current status? I thought they went bankrupt and owned by tencent?

      Are they still fighting the good fight? Or heading toward enshittification?

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        I imagine they will inevitably enshittify since the buyout but they seem to be good still for now.

        The nice thing is I get to download the files so I’m not fucked when it happens.

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        They are still doing the Bandcamp Fridays where everything you pay goes to the artist, so that’s nice.

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        Bandcamp was owned by Epic Games, not Tencent for a short while, and now owned by Songtradr which does not have anything to do with tencent.

        At least, this is what i found.