If you want the file to be directly human readable/editable:
- TOML
- YAML
If you never need to look at it or edit it manually:
- JSON
I hate yaml with a passion. for stuff such as ansible it becomes an uneditable mess (one copy and paste away from destroying the whole file)
luckily, yaml is a superset of json, so you could just write json and feed it through a yaml parser and it’ll work
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if i miss a quote in json, it’s an invalid file. I fix it and move on. Maybe just pass it through a beautifier or something.
if I mess up indentation in yaml (which can easily happen after a copy and paste), I get a valid file that means something completely different. And no beautifier can help with that, because it’s a valid file. I have to look really closely to find the error, because tools can’t help. And when I do, I usually have to change multiple lines, instead of just adding a comma.
TOML. Easy on the eyes and easy to grep and filter out comments.
I really like the way Fail2Ban handles it with a .local config. The default doesn’t need to be backed up, and the .local is most minimal and concise. I’m unaware of any other programs doing it that way. I have scripts that either execute sed or tee -a to config files, after making a backup copy of the original.
TOML looks good but it’s rarely used
TOML does look good. Wow! I havent looked at it at all before.
Makes certain levels of nesting painful
You can say this is a design choice, and you shouldn’t ever go too deep in config, and I’d agree, but it is a limiting factor to be aware of
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Uh no, the worst is a tie between XML and JSON.
XML because the syntax is hard to read and even harder to write, and JSON because you can’t do comments. WTF.
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Somebody has to say it, so I’m taking on the duty:
If whitespace is a problem, you use the wrong editor.
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you can write json with comments and pass it through a yaml parser. try it.
I instant exit on XML conf files. I have no idea how to parse the info, maybe I should. But there are too many tags and my eyes instantly glaze over when I see it!
For simple stuff, INI is pretty good.
I must admit I’ve written stuff that uses a JSON config file, but I might finish implementing YAML instead. Any day now…
Agreed about INI for simple stuff. Not good for arrays and nested things though. Usually use binary for that type of config (with clear documentation). Most binary config files I use are plain old C structures. I’m not a web person so no need to make the config plain text.
You could use TOML. It’s pretty much an extension of INI
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JSON if it also has an online schema, and a reference to it in the JSON file. That way some editors can check for errors and hint to the user about it.
But the good old flat text-data, the ini format is consistent, readable, and easily understandable by less-technical users.
.el (Emacs Lisp), nothing beats using Lisp to configure a Lisp environment.
I like xml, but it isn’t the easiest to read.
I hate yaml with a burning passion. At least with JSON you can compress it all down.
I’m no fan of XML. It looks messy and the schema is difficult to write, imo. XML works best as a markup language.
YAML could have been okay if it were stricter with what they consider strings, and used tabs instead of spaces.
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A compliant yaml parser will read json, as they’re essentially siblings… so just write your configs in json and they’ll work, if you dislike yaml.
We seem to have something in common: there is a serialisation form, we strongly dislike. But what I cannot understand is: why the heck would anyone torture anyone else to read or even write XML? XML is the absolutely worst configuration language I can imagine. I mean: when is something an attribute, when a tag on its own? What is even a list? And don’t forget to include a full HTTP URI for the namespace, otherwise the tag is not defined.
By the way: all valid JSON is valid yaml as well. So in theory, you can use yaml as JSON with comments.
I mainly work with windows, and powershell works great with xml.
For my last self-made program, I just wrote a config.py, and call
import configfrom other code files and write my config in Python.Depends on the purpose of the software. In certain specific situations a plaintext *.txt is unbeatable.
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The “PURPOSE” is the keyword.
If the purpose of the software is to work in closed, offline environment with Mr. NOTECH operating it via “line 5: rotations per minute; line 6: temperature in Fahrenheit” commands, then trust me, it’s going to get the job done.
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Unbeatabe, then.
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I absolutely am. You’re simply overthinking it - the scenario I provided makes plaintext *.txt perfect.
Sure, we can spend the rest of the day inventing scenarios, where Mr. NOTECH will be manipulated remotely by aliens, and what then, but that’s an exercise in creativity, not a situation that needs to be taken into account.
That one which I can automate.
I mainly use Ansible or Puppet. So YAML isn’t that bad if you fully understand it.
Puppet language sux IMHO.
YAML. This is the way.
Normal text file
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It’s like yaml but simple, consistent, untyped, and you never need to escape any characters, ever.
Types and validation aren’t going to be great unless they’re in the actual code anyway.
I like how elixir approaches it: configs are just elixir script files that have a module for some common conventions. Gives you a lot of power, and no goofy new syntax
That works if you have a small, disciplined team. As the team grows and it becomes harder to enforce standards, config files that are run through the language compiler easily get filled with programming statements that shouldn’t be in a config file.
