for storing/filing I agree but for normal use d-m-y makes more sense to me. it frontloads the most relevant information and you can cut it at either break and it could still be helpful, since one’s likely to remember the month they’re in and even more likely to remember the year. more significant is less relevant.
h:m:a makes more sense for the opposite reason. less significant units of time become less relevant at that scale.
in any case, ascending or descending is demonstrably better than whatever the fuck m-d-y is.
Theoretically, sure, but in reading and speech it doesn’t really matter if you’re comfortable with the format. If someone is going to say or write the full date you’re not going to interrupt them after they say the day or reflexively stop reading after two numbers. If they just want to say the day, that’s all they’ll say.
M-d-y is whats sounds the most natural when spoken in a casual setting. I feel like thats the only reason it got carried over to text. I definitely use m-d-y when talking, and as an american I also use it out of habit when writing, but I will agree that y-m-d is definitely best for text.
but the spoken is based on the written format. you say January 2nd because that’s how you write it. if you wrote it the other way you’d say 2nd of January. you already use this sometimes, which I only assume as a remnant from a time your calendar wasn’t standardized as m-d-y yet, in “4th of July” for example.
That’s very language dependant. I’m basque and we say things naturally. We do skip the year if it’s not relevant, but when we do say it, it comes first always.
Urtarrilak 2.
2025eko urtarrilak 2.
In Spanish however it’s dd-mm-yyyy and sounds perfectly natural.
2 de Enero.
2 de enero de 2025
You saying that your way sounds most natural when spoken is very pretentious because you assume that whats familiar to you is what’s most natural overall, but that’s just a generalisation of your own customs.
for storing/filing I agree but for normal use d-m-y makes more sense to me. it frontloads the most relevant information and you can cut it at either break and it could still be helpful, since one’s likely to remember the month they’re in and even more likely to remember the year. more significant is less relevant.
h:m:a makes more sense for the opposite reason. less significant units of time become less relevant at that scale.
in any case, ascending or descending is demonstrably better than whatever the fuck m-d-y is.
Theoretically, sure, but in reading and speech it doesn’t really matter if you’re comfortable with the format. If someone is going to say or write the full date you’re not going to interrupt them after they say the day or reflexively stop reading after two numbers. If they just want to say the day, that’s all they’ll say.
M-d-y is whats sounds the most natural when spoken in a casual setting. I feel like thats the only reason it got carried over to text. I definitely use m-d-y when talking, and as an american I also use it out of habit when writing, but I will agree that y-m-d is definitely best for text.
That’s just habit. In my country we both write and pronounce dates as d-m-y and it’s just as natural for us as m-d-y is for you
but the spoken is based on the written format. you say January 2nd because that’s how you write it. if you wrote it the other way you’d say 2nd of January. you already use this sometimes, which I only assume as a remnant from a time your calendar wasn’t standardized as m-d-y yet, in “4th of July” for example.
That’s very language dependant. I’m basque and we say things naturally. We do skip the year if it’s not relevant, but when we do say it, it comes first always.
Urtarrilak 2.
2025eko urtarrilak 2.
In Spanish however it’s dd-mm-yyyy and sounds perfectly natural.
2 de Enero.
2 de enero de 2025
You saying that your way sounds most natural when spoken is very pretentious because you assume that whats familiar to you is what’s most natural overall, but that’s just a generalisation of your own customs.
It’s not pretentious if someone doesn’t know better.
I’m sure it wasn’t the intention, but it did come acoss that way
Assuming there’s no better way is plenty preferentious to me, we ought to be more humble than that.