Stock of the United States’ largest defence contractor Lockheed Martin was downgraded to Hold from Buy at Deutsche Bank by 14.5 percent, with a price target of $523
Sources alluding to what exactly?
That the F-35 had had problems? Every single jet platform has had problems.
While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
Prototypes are nothing short of speculations and wishful thinking until it starts to hit production.
And I’m not even a fan of US jets. As a Swede I will admit my bias for our own platforms. But the F-35 does fill a role that our fighters doesn’t. And it does fill that specific role quite well. It’s not an all purpose aircraft.
taking pause to look around when new things are revealed, which is sensible. doesn’t mean what you think it means.
I remember the hype about Chinas new submarines. Oh they were gonna be so good and so stealthy. Turns out they didn’t make it far out of the Harbour before sinking.
So what was that you said about China producing things that “actually work”? Or maybe you excluded their sinking sub in that statement. I must have missed the asterisk
Hard to think of another modern jet built outside Yankeestan that has problems that come even close to those that F35 flying cybertruck is having.
While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
[citation needed]
While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
The prototype China is making is for a jet a generation after F35, they already have an answer to F35 in production and it hasn’t cost over a trillion dollars to make. In fact, Chinese military budget overall is only a fraction of what Yankeestan spends.
And it does fill that specific role quite well.
No it doesn’t. As many experts have explained in great detail, F35 tries to do too many things and it doesn’t do any of them well. It’s incredibly expensive to maintain, it has constant breakdowns, and they can’t even keep a sufficient number of them operational as a result.
I remember the hype about Chinas new submarines. Oh they were gonna be so good and so stealthy. Turns out they didn’t make it far out of the Harbour before sinking.
The fact that you’d latch onto a conspiracy theory really highlights the quality of your intellect.
So what was that you said about China producing things that “actually work”? Or maybe you excluded their sinking sub in that statement. I must have missed the asterisk
Nah, I’m just not dumb enough to fall for propaganda marketed to people who don’t have fully developed brains.
Ah yes. Everything that is inconvenient for your arguments is a conspiracy. Must be very convenient.
The F35 does try to do a lot of things. You can argue effectiveness of many of them. But what it DOES do well, is performing as a stealth strike craft. Credit where credit is due. The ram technology development in the US is impressive and world leading.
You resort unprovoked to name calling (“yankeestan”), and attack others intellect. It really shows your insecurity the moment something doesn’t go your way.
You speak of “generations” as if the jets are a console. “They’re making a 6th gen aircraft”. They claim they’re making a 6:th gen aircraft. That claim won’t be proven until they start producing. Until then it’s nothing but speculation and fairy dust.
Buddy, you’ve not just fallen for propaganda, you’ve taken an express elevator right down the shaft and keep drilling once you arrive.
Nah, Just anything that is presented without a shred of evidence for the benefit of racist rubes such as yourself.
But what it DOES do well, is performing as a stealth strike craft.
Incredible claim to make given that it’s never been used against a peer adversary with actual modern AD. The fact that you state this as a fact shows that you’re utterly incapable of critical thought. Probably the reason you fall for conspiracy theories so readily.
It really shows your insecurity the moment something doesn’t go your way.
So much projection here.
You speak of “generations” as if the jets are a console. “They’re making a 6th gen aircraft”. They claim they’re making a 6:th gen aircraft. That claim won’t be proven until they start producing. Until then it’s nothing but speculation and fairy dust.
Maybe learn a bit about the subject you’re attempting to debate and the common terminology used instead of making a clown of yourself in public.
Buddy, you’ve not just fallen for propaganda, you’ve taken an express elevator right down the shaft and keep drilling once you arrive.
Ah yes. Now I’m a racist as well. What do you base that on exactly?
If you think they’ve never tested the stealth capabilities of the f35 you’re delusional.
You got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, which is why you resort to personal attacks and throw in the occasional “no u” to derail the discussion into a match of name calling. You follow the same pattern every time.
Ah yes. Now I’m a racist as well. What do you base that on exactly?
I base that on your religious belief in western superiority.
If you think they’ve never tested the stealth capabilities of the f35 you’re delusional.
I know they’ve never tested capabilities of f35 because it’s never been used in combat against a peer competitor. The fact that you don’t understand this shows that you are in fact the one who got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, and are incapable of rational thought in general.
You got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, which is why you resort to personal attacks and throw in the occasional “no u” to derail the discussion into a match of name calling. You follow the same pattern every time.
I love how you keep making ad hominem attacks here to distract from your utter ignorance.
My religious beliefs? I don’t have any. Nor have i stated anything about certain people being superior over anyone else.
You’re right, the f35 has not been performing strikes against Eastern nations directly. That doesn’t mean it has never been tested. They’re sold to various countries in Europe and each and every nation does test their capabilities with their own systems. Each of their neighbours take every oppertunity to test their capabilities as well. Everyone has come to the same conclusion. The ram capabilities of the f35 is mighty impressive.
You’ve displayed your lack of insight into each and every aspect enough as it is.
And addressing your childish game of name calling isn’t an ad hominem attack. But it is funny you mention that, seeing how you unprovoked, resort to personal attacks. The comment-chain is there to read for everyone. You’re the only one between us making personal attacks.
Here’s what an actual battle test platform looks like:
The Russian Air Force has demonstrated high confidence in the Su-57’s stealth capabilities, and has deployed the fighters for high intensity combat operations to parts of the Ukrainian theatre with particularly high concentrations of Ukrainian air defences.
The Su-57 program has prioritised reducing maintenance needs and operational costs to avoid the very low availability rates that have plagued America’s F-117, F-22 and F-35 stealth fighter fleets. One notable means by which this had been achieved is through reduced reliance on radar absorbent coatings, which was achieved by using innovative solutions such as radar absorbent fibreglass. In contrast to American stealth fighters which consistently cost far more to operate than their fourth generation predecessors, this approach allows the Su-57 to potentially achieve lower operational costs than its direct predecessor the Soviet Su-27, thus allowing Russia to move its fleet into the fifth generation without either significantly raising sustainment funding or contracting the number of fighters in service.
You’ve displayed your lack of insight into each and every aspect enough as it is.
And addressing your childish game of name calling isn’t an ad hominem attack.
I see you don’t know what ad hominem means. Ad hominem isn’t a personal attack, it’s a way to deflect from the point being made. You’re trying to discredit what I’m saying by claiming that I don’t know what I’m talking about. You’re not providing counter points, but instead attacking me to deflect because at the end of the day you’rej ust a troll.
In any case, I’ve said all I needed to say here. You can keep on bleating if you like though. Bye.
Already did by providing actual sources instead of clowning around the way you do.
Sources alluding to what exactly? That the F-35 had had problems? Every single jet platform has had problems.
While the F-35 has problems of its own, its no secret that China is yet to manage to develop anything that can rival or beat their RAM.
Prototypes are nothing short of speculations and wishful thinking until it starts to hit production.
And I’m not even a fan of US jets. As a Swede I will admit my bias for our own platforms. But the F-35 does fill a role that our fighters doesn’t. And it does fill that specific role quite well. It’s not an all purpose aircraft.
taking pause to look around when new things are revealed, which is sensible. doesn’t mean what you think it means.
I remember the hype about Chinas new submarines. Oh they were gonna be so good and so stealthy. Turns out they didn’t make it far out of the Harbour before sinking.
So what was that you said about China producing things that “actually work”? Or maybe you excluded their sinking sub in that statement. I must have missed the asterisk
Hard to think of another modern jet built outside Yankeestan that has problems that come even close to those that F35 flying cybertruck is having.
[citation needed]
The prototype China is making is for a jet a generation after F35, they already have an answer to F35 in production and it hasn’t cost over a trillion dollars to make. In fact, Chinese military budget overall is only a fraction of what Yankeestan spends.
No it doesn’t. As many experts have explained in great detail, F35 tries to do too many things and it doesn’t do any of them well. It’s incredibly expensive to maintain, it has constant breakdowns, and they can’t even keep a sufficient number of them operational as a result.
The fact that you’d latch onto a conspiracy theory really highlights the quality of your intellect.
Nah, I’m just not dumb enough to fall for propaganda marketed to people who don’t have fully developed brains.
Ah yes. Everything that is inconvenient for your arguments is a conspiracy. Must be very convenient.
The F35 does try to do a lot of things. You can argue effectiveness of many of them. But what it DOES do well, is performing as a stealth strike craft. Credit where credit is due. The ram technology development in the US is impressive and world leading.
You resort unprovoked to name calling (“yankeestan”), and attack others intellect. It really shows your insecurity the moment something doesn’t go your way.
You speak of “generations” as if the jets are a console. “They’re making a 6th gen aircraft”. They claim they’re making a 6:th gen aircraft. That claim won’t be proven until they start producing. Until then it’s nothing but speculation and fairy dust.
Buddy, you’ve not just fallen for propaganda, you’ve taken an express elevator right down the shaft and keep drilling once you arrive.
Nah, Just anything that is presented without a shred of evidence for the benefit of racist rubes such as yourself.
Incredible claim to make given that it’s never been used against a peer adversary with actual modern AD. The fact that you state this as a fact shows that you’re utterly incapable of critical thought. Probably the reason you fall for conspiracy theories so readily.
So much projection here.
Maybe learn a bit about the subject you’re attempting to debate and the common terminology used instead of making a clown of yourself in public.
You’ve perfectly described yourself there kiddo.
Ah yes. Now I’m a racist as well. What do you base that on exactly?
If you think they’ve never tested the stealth capabilities of the f35 you’re delusional.
You got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, which is why you resort to personal attacks and throw in the occasional “no u” to derail the discussion into a match of name calling. You follow the same pattern every time.
I base that on your religious belief in western superiority.
I know they’ve never tested capabilities of f35 because it’s never been used in combat against a peer competitor. The fact that you don’t understand this shows that you are in fact the one who got absolutely nothing in terms of knowledge on the subject, and are incapable of rational thought in general.
I love how you keep making ad hominem attacks here to distract from your utter ignorance.
My religious beliefs? I don’t have any. Nor have i stated anything about certain people being superior over anyone else.
You’re right, the f35 has not been performing strikes against Eastern nations directly. That doesn’t mean it has never been tested. They’re sold to various countries in Europe and each and every nation does test their capabilities with their own systems. Each of their neighbours take every oppertunity to test their capabilities as well. Everyone has come to the same conclusion. The ram capabilities of the f35 is mighty impressive.
You’ve displayed your lack of insight into each and every aspect enough as it is.
And addressing your childish game of name calling isn’t an ad hominem attack. But it is funny you mention that, seeing how you unprovoked, resort to personal attacks. The comment-chain is there to read for everyone. You’re the only one between us making personal attacks.
Here’s what an actual battle test platform looks like:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/first-look-stealth-optimised-al51f-1-powering-russia-su-57m
You’ve displayed your lack of insight into each and every aspect enough as it is.
I see you don’t know what ad hominem means. Ad hominem isn’t a personal attack, it’s a way to deflect from the point being made. You’re trying to discredit what I’m saying by claiming that I don’t know what I’m talking about. You’re not providing counter points, but instead attacking me to deflect because at the end of the day you’rej ust a troll.
In any case, I’ve said all I needed to say here. You can keep on bleating if you like though. Bye.