- Geography
- Geology
- Giraffe
- Generous
Just a few examples that come to mind. Additionally, the pronunciation of the individual words included in an acronym DOES NOT determine the pronunciation of that acronym. See SCUBA as an example.
Good and very informative, thank you.
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I’m still gonna pronounce it (G)IF though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iafa959JvY - Literally this but with any example either way depending on what side you’re on.
It’s GIF. Just because you create something doesn’t mean you aren’t fucking dumb. Eventually, it’s no longer yours anyway lol.
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As long as you don’t shame others with reasons that don’t make sense, you can pronounce it gif for all I care
Sure, agree to disagree.
This, and Gig Git Girl Gibbon Gift Gill Giddy Gigahertz Gimmick Gizzard
Counterpoint: Gift
Literally has gif in it and is pronounced with a hard ‘g’.
We don’t pronounced words by what other words they contain. “Americano” is not “American+o.” “Fare” is not “far+e.”
For some reason, the hard G advocates for “gif” seem to make up fake language rules to justify pronouncing it wrong.Do you have any examples of words changed by adding a consonant? Additional vowels in words, such as your examples, usually change how a word is pronounced
Also, your attack in the second paragraph is unneeded and contributes nothing to the debate. If an argument cannot be based on logic alone, I ask that you do not make it.
LOL, arguing about English pronunciation based on spelling? Really?
Tom and tomb
And I agree, I’ll remove it.
I acknowledge that you fulfilled my request but personally remain unconvinced using those examples. Tom is generally a nickname for Thomas and borrows pronunciation from that.
However I did remember the words kin and kind but there’s also tin and tint. So I’m just going to declare English overall as highly inconsistent and silly, will still pronounce gif with a hard g, but recognize that you have a different point of view. 🙂
Tom is a name for a male animal.
“Bot” and “both” may be more your style. Or, to stick with g, “gin” has a soft g while “gink” has a hard g.
Friend this is the internet, if you’re seriously expecting 0 trash-talk with your discussions then you’re in the wrong place.
Counter counter point. The inventor of the gif said it’s pronounced like the peanut butter. It’s already been settled.
Just because somebody who made a word wants to pronounce it a certain way doesn’t mean that’s others will pronounce it.
Heck, look at the at history of the word tomato. Came from the native Nahuatl word tomatl, which was changed to tomate for Spanish and then tomato for English. The British are closer to both the native Nahuatl and Spanish pronunciations of the word but few Americans will say it as “tuh-maa-tow”.
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And the person we’re responding here to also uses an example of language that evolved to what it is over a 300 year period FROM changes that happened between language barriers - Central American natives to Spanish to English (of which there are 2 variations).
The hard G or soft are pronounceable by the majority of the world. It’s not really a language barrier or change - it’s just inability to admit that maybe they were wrong in how they read it in their head and make the verbal change when evidence is provided.
With that said, they can continue to pronounce it with a hard g but it’s just being obstinate at this point.
OBJECTION!!
First and foremost, pronounced Gif there
Graphics Interchange Format. Not Jraphics. Unless you spell it out as Jee-Ai-Eff
Also, git isn’t spelled “jit”, it’s not “jit gud”, nor “jit hub”. Other examples that would be wrong: jirl, jirth, jiddy, jirder, jingko
Most of the ‘ji’ sounding words are rooted from other languages, mostly French (some of them brought over from Latin). Finally, languages where ‘ge’ and ‘gi’ sound like ‘je’ and ‘ji’ say ‘Gif’
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You clearly didn’t even read the whole comment. Acronyms do not need to be pronounced according to their constituent words.
By that logic, “scuba” should be pronounced scuh-ba, and “laser” should be pronounced lah-seer.
Also “jee” is also how you say the letter “G”.
Gin, Germany, giraffe, gypsy, gib, giblet. Raising examples of words that start with hard and soft Gs is absolutely pointless when both exist and are equally valid.
Why are people arguing about how an acronym is pronounced in the English language anyways? Who gives a shit? When you point out a “rule” in English, there will always be exceptions, many exceptions, to that rule. Even English doesn’t even agree with English: “entree” means appetizer in Europe but main course in the US.
So why do you care so much?
So why do you care so much?
Because it’s always fun to poke fun at how chaotic, anarchic and directionless the english language is. Besides, some of its rules feel more like suggestions
JPEG is the best direct example. Who pronounces the F sound?
do you have a problem with my ˌɡiˈʁafə
My giant german friend George Gerard gestates and raises giraffes in genuine need of gentle geriatric care. Such a gentleman.
It’s jif.
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The letter G itself is pronounced “jee”.
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Soe Wee shud spel ahll owur werds funehtikly? And if uh werd iz nott speld funehtikly itz rong?
Because that’s ridiculous. You know perfectly well that letters can make different sounds depending on the word. Stop being obtuse.
For your SCUBA example, is it the U you’re talking about?
Underwater vs oonderwater?
Scuhba vs Scooba?
Also, the A stands for Apparatus, so it should be scuhbah since it’s Apparatus, not uhpparatus
Yep the U. Scubba dubba doo!
Scuhba has me laughing.
Good, the blood of Eden shall rise
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Gorgeia? Tell your mom she still owes me for the Uber.
Is this one of those me me’s I’ve heard of?
I just want to pronounce it the opposite way: https://youtu.be/Cyq6fTYxztc
This is also what the German Nutrition Society (DGE) is saying btw
I’ve heard it both ways
Zod must be pissed.
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD
Looks like the Jif crowds downvote bombing, yikes.
So I’m upvoting everyone, let’s try and keep this civil and downvotes out of this! Both sides are technically correct, correcting each other is divisive and playing into trolling.
Honestly who cares at the end of the day, even if one is technically correct enough people pronounce it the “wrong” way that it’s like trying to unpop a baloon
I just want the “hard-g because graphical” crowd to really commit to the bit and start insisting that JPEG be pronounced “jay-feg” because of “photographic.”
lol no they aren’t both correct. The creator of the format decides and did decide, it’s pronounced like a J just like the peanut butter they did a collaboration with because it’s pronounced just like that. There’s no debate, just trolling.
just because someone demonstrated intelligence and efficacy in a specific field does not make them an appropriate authority on other shit.
herman cain, for instance, was a very talented neurosurgeon but still such a fucking moron he literally got his own stupid ass killed through covid denialism.
this is also why we should still call it twitter no mattter what a dipshit like elon musk wants
people who have, on paper, a “right” to assign the name or title to something can be wrong, and this is one such case.
If you say so, Cathy. That’s your new name by the way, your parents were clearly wrong because reasons, and Cathy is easier to write so that’s you now.
Ironically more fitting than my legal name :p
Almost every person who was assigned the same legal name by their parents, I ended up hating their guts, but I’ve never met a Cathy I didn’t like.
If there becomes an etymological precedent, such as someone actually accurately guessing WHY Cathy would serve greater utility as my name than my legally assigned-at-birth one, I’ll introduce myself to people even outside this thread as Cathy, and furthermore explain why if they actually want to hear it.
As for this comment thread, hi y’all my name is Cathy. At least, to this person it is. I’ll recognize when they call me Cathy, though.
I used to be adament about gif with a hard G until I had a coworker insist that
sudowas pronouncedsoodoorather thanpseudo. like yeah, I know it stands for sUpEr uSeR dO but you can never get me to not say it the other way.In my head I thought of it like a psuedo su and thought sudo was clever, then learning it is like soodoo and I’m highly disappointed. I still say it like psuedo in my head. I use arch btw.
I’ve been using Linux for like 18 years and I will never say soodoo. I will die on this hill.
it’s not like gif stands for jraphics interchange format.
neither does it stand for giraffe interchange format.
nor does it stand for geranium interchnage format.
but if you’re sharing gifs of giraffes or giraniums, i suppose that’s allowable.
By that logic, “jpeg” is pronounced jay-feg, “scuba” scuh-ba, and “laser” lah-seer.
Such a dumb argument that never holds up.
The p in jpeg stands for photographic, but you don’t pronounce it a “jay-feg”.
I pronounce “salmon”, “solder”, “colonel”, “victual”, “gunwale”, “vineyard”, and “indict” all phonetically. I still insist that they’re alternative pronoucniations and not “wrong ways to pronounce them”. If that’s the case, then say “GIF” however the hell you want.
TIL victual is a word.
Wait until you learn that it’s pronounced “vittle”. I hate English now.
You should never say 'worcestershire sauce ’ in public, you’ll cause a riot.
This I can do without causing a riot.
But seriously though, the Brits have weird place names.
We speak the language and pronounce new words based on the past words of the language. There are exceptions but they don’t negate the defaults.
Nearly every single word in English that starts with a g followed by a soft ih/eh vowel is pronounced as a soft g, just a few:
gin gypsy general gerund Gerald gel gem gyp Geronimo gesture
In fact, there are something like 20,000 words in the dictionary that start with G and the number of them that are pronounced with a hard G where this rule otherwise dictates a soft G is such a small fraction of them that it has its own wiki page.
This video is a tad harsh for comedic effort, but otherwise entirely fact based and sourced:
Bottom line: you’re free to use a hard G, but it’s not the default pronunciation based on either all other English words or the creator’s intentions, and if you’re confused why others pronounce it with a soft G, they would seem to be simply more familiar with the English language 🤷♂️
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I say G,i,f as in I pronounce it like an acronym
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I pronounce “gif” with a soft g to annoy people, and even I hate this.
That’s a funny reason to do the right thing but whatever works
Nearly every single word in English that starts with a g followed by a soft ih/eh vowel is pronounced as a soft g, just a few:
That is patently not true and blatant cherry picking, e.g. already contradicted by the lexically matching word “gift” (and there are “giggle”, “gild”, “girl”, “git”, “give”, “gizmo”, etc.). See Wikipedia, which referenced linguists studying this:
An analysis of 269 words by linguist Michael Dow found near-tied results on whether a hard or soft g was more appropriate based on other English words; the results varied somewhat depending on what parameters were used.[11] Of the 105 words that contained gi somewhere in the word, 68 used the soft g while only 37 employed its counterpart. However, the hard g words were found to be significantly more common in everyday English; […]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_GIF#Cause
Michael Dow is an associate professor in linguistics with specialization in phonology, by the way.
and if you’re confused why others pronounce it with a soft G, they would seem to be simply more familiar with the English language 🤷♂️
Well, clearly you are already not as “familiar with the English language” as you might think.
All you basically said is “nuh uh because my feelings” and then an appeal to authority who disregarded the following vowel sound. “But he’s a professor” proves nothing, let alone backs any sort of assertion that you or he are familiar with squat 🤷♂️
It should be a war crime.
I would never correct how someone pronounces gif, but…
- Gin is a tasty drink.
- Gerunds are verbal nouns.
- Gentrification is a trend in urban environments.
- Gifs are poorly optimized internet clips with controversy surrounding their pronunciation.
Give - the v is just f but voiced from a phonetical standpoint
Giraffes are tall.
Long horses? That begins with an L
horses arent real
