• Tinidril
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    2 days ago

    EXACTLY! You do get it! Yes, that is EXACTLY the problem. How do you convince me that if I vote third party that they will too? How do you convince them that I will vote third party?

    Here is the brilliant argument you are making put just a bit differently. “If enough people would just vote the way I want them to vote, we could elect who I want to elect!”. Congratulations, on that brilliant observation!

    Here is the thing. If you had the power to do that, inside or outside strategy would no longer even matter. You could pick the winning candidates for the Democratic primary then pick them to win the general, or you could pick your third party candidate to win, and it would work fine either way.

    But you can’t do that. You actually have to convince people to go your way. I’m still not hearing how you plan to do that for an outside strategy when every attempt to do so has failed miserably. I’ll ask again. How do you plan to run a third party strategy differently in 2028 than in 2024 or prior elections. How do you convince me or anyone else that you have enough people on board? I’m not even convinced that most Democrats even want a third party - nevermind being willing to risk splitting the vote to get there.

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      1 day ago

      “I am so stupid, how will you convince me and people like me”? Literally how the fuck do you think all this responsibility falls onto me alone. Man up and own your shit.

      If you all - collectively - want to pull the world back from the brink of annihilation and permanent totalitarianism, stop voting for the people who are implementing that plan. If you don’t, fine, then fuck off and stop replying to me. Enjoy total world slavery.

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        I shouldn’t have to explain that “you” refers to all proponents of the third party strategy, not you personally.

        If you want people to do what you say then, yeah, it falls on you to convince them that it makes sense. It doesn’t fall on me to convince people to follow a deeply flawed strategy that I think will only lead to even worse outcomes when it fails yet again.

        We both want to put better people in power and remove the people running the Democratic party from power. There is an inside strategy to do that, and an outside strategy to do that. The inside strategy has more of a chance to win, and less of a downside if it fails.

        People didn’t vote Democrats this time around, and the world is about to get a whole lot worse. Gaza isn’t the only thing that matters. It isn’t even the worst ongoing genocide. Assuming you didn’t vote for Harris, did you even consider what a Trump win means for those other genocides? What it means for the people of Ukraine? Does it somehow help Gaza that we are about to do ethnic cleansing right here at home? Trump turning back the clock on fighting climate change alone will make Gaza look quaint.

        I know who’s implementing the plan for totalitarian disaster. It’s morons who don’t understand politics.

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          The responsibility for a society falls on all its members. Not just the activists. You are the ones dropping the ball, no matter how much you bitch and moan about people that are doing the right thing. And your delusion that Democrats are “good on climate change”, or that they really differ in action on any substantial geopolitical issue, is just more of your status quo bias bullshit ignorance. It’s your privileged uneducated ass pretending you’re not right at the center of a genocidal empire. That the division isn’t literally manufactured to keep morons like you invested in the system.

          Stop bothering me. I am not impressed.

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            Oh, piss off. You clearly are beyond help of reason. Too bad the rest of us have to live with the consequences of your stubborn stupidity.

            I never said Democrats are “good on climate change.”, so why the fuck put it in quotes? They are better than Republicans, and that’s just reality. But no, we get worse so you can take the moral high ground to watch the world burn.