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    I only use it because there’s no way I could convince my friends and family to move to anything else.

    There’s no point in switching to another app if I then literally couldn’t communicate with the people I need to through it.

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      I’ve been using Beeper a month or two. They had a long waiting list, and initially it was subscription only, but they are working on smashing through the waiting list and have changed to a freemium model where you get it for free and (eventually) they will have extra features for subscribers.

      Basically, it’s one chat app that connects to lots of different chat services.

      If you’re technical, the app is a fork of Element, and the service uses matrix bridges to connect to different chat services, but it’s all presented in a (somewhat) polished way. The wait list is because they are still struggling with scaling and quirks but if you’re on Lemmy you’re probably already well familiar with putting up with this.

      It covers heaps of chat networks. Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Signal, Telegram, and more. It also will let you SMS (unlike Signal 😬).

      You can also connect to Matrix rooms but you don’t seem to be able to connect to an existing Matrix account (it uses a Beeper matrix account to connect).

      It doesn’t do video/audio calls so they recommend you leave the original app installed and disable message notifications (but leave on call notifications) if you use this.

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          Yep. But if you’re keen on this stuff, you can self host matrix and the bridges and do it yourself. Their bridges are open source, just not their apps whose features are their business model.

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        That’s interesting!

        I’m just not sure the “security” of WhatsApp is preserved in that case but it’s certainly better than not being able to talk to certain people at all.

        Also I think these kind of meta chat apps have been tried before and it usually doesn’t end very well so I’m not sure I would be super optimistic.

        Any of the chat provider can break their link to beeper and since they probably don’t really care about it it shouldn’t very reliable.

        But a cool find nonetheless!

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        Well, that’s super neat and very useful for my circumstances. I’m moving outside of the US soon to a place where WhatsApp is dominant, but I still want to use SMS/MMS with family and friends in the US since I doubt they’ll make the switch. I’ve been using WhatsApp for about a year now while coordinating stuff for my soon-to-be home and I’ve come to the conclusion that WhatsApp is complete garbage.

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        Nice. Looking into this one. Although in reality I use about 95% whatsapp just because everyone else does. Wish we could all just switch to Signal or even Telegram but nah… Whatsapp is so engrained everywhere that it is not going to go away anytime soon.

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        Signal kinda put themselves out of the messaging app battle when they dropped SMS support

        I totally get why they did it, but I think a lot of people stopped using it for this reason, unfortunately

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          I don’t really want to start a debate on the Signal SMS dropout but …

          They could have put a big red warning and a disclaimer you have to read once for the unsecured SMS. It would have been fine.

          Yes, you would have to maintain that but I think it would definitely have been worth it considering how much reach they lost dropping this feature.

          I stopped using Signal when they did, and that’s one less tech user advertising their secure app.

          It’s a shame because I think this will slowly kill the project.

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            Yeah, I guess I’m not sure about the actual statistics. I do know it was the point when I realized I wouldn’t personally use Signal because everyone I know uses SMS, SMS federates with email, and if I tried switching to a non-SMS app, I’d be screaming into a void.

            The only other message apps people around here use are Snapchat, FB Messenger, and WhatsApp, and I’d rather cut people off than use any of those.

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      same here. Heck, even Nextcloud Talk is more sophisticated than frickin’ WhatsApp these days…

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      I literally installed Telegram/Signal on my families devices, synced their contacts with the app, and said “if you want timely responses, message me here”

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      Yeah, that’s the real “internet explorer of messaging services”. Absolutely sucks to use it (doesn’t even.deliver messages to me half the time), but 90% insist on it for chat groupa and such.

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      I’ll take facebook messenger over whatsapp any day. At least it works on PC and has third party clients

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      I do have like 2 people I only talk to once or twice a year that I don’t have any other known contact for. But I only use it very rarely because of that. If I ever stop talking to them, I’ll finally delete the whole account.

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      The thing it’s missing the most is better multi device support and an updated desktop client.

      For me, I think Matrix is more complete (specially since it backs-up your chats and media encrypted). The only thing it’s lacking (at least Element specific) is encrypted chat search support on mobile.

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        What matrix is missing is anyone that I know. Ultimately that is way more important than features in a messaging client.

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          In my personal experience, everyone who has an account with Signal also has with Matrix. The main issue for me is who has an account at all.

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            I’ve used signal for ages but didn’t know what Matrix was until Lemmy tbh

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            In turn you can bet that who has one on Matrix will have one on Session, SimpleX and at least other 10 apps you’ve never heard about

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          It has bridges for most messaging services so you could use a matrix frontend for most of your messaging needs without having people on matrix so long as the server admin has set up those extensions

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        Signal client looks optimized on MacOS and Linux i don’t use Windows so not sure what’s going on there

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          I use it on windows. The client is totally fine for the most part.

          Though for some reason it regularly screws up the device-connection, forcing me to reconnect the device, loosing access to every old message. Seems to be a rare bug though, as my family also uses the windows client and theirs never has this problem (out of 8 device 1 has this problem)

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            I register my Signal on off-shore phone number and i use it over MullvadVPN with multi-hop so i think is pretty private this way

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          I use it for linux. Recently there was a bug where if you had a chat opened, it would pin one core to 100% usage. It also lacks feature parity with the mobile client (ex: gif search and send).

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        There’s no way that we can have a mainstream alternative to imessage if we keep declaring a new app or protocol the new best one every two years.

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          iMessage can’t be “the mainstream” app by locking out most of the world tho. Plus it is definitely the ugliest thing Apple has ever made in its lifetime that I know of.

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          All Google needs to do is make a public RCS API. Then we will have all the important features iMessage has on Android via regular texting. I have no fucking clue why they are making RCS exclusive to their messaging app.

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          I think have settled into what they know.

          I think that iMessage is only prevelant in North America. Here in Europe (Portugal, at least), everyone uses Whatsapp.

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        Yeah, it sucks that if I were using Signal only on my phone and eventually decide to start using it on desktop, it doesn’t sync any conversation history, resulting in the desktop client showing nothing from before you set it up. It should have older devices send history to new ones. If you’re permanently switching devices, are you losing that history for good?

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      Still waiting for the ability to log in one two phones, and ideally also uncompressed photo/file sending

      But yea Signal is great

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      I don’t think it’s really a chat app. Isn’t it just a text replacement? Or does it just use that number as your ID to use it? I have it, but only ever used it with one guy.

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        It has lots of nice features over SMS: read/typing notifications, image/video support, proper groups, message expiration. I think that makes it a chat app

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          I have all those features with Google Messages (as long as I’m not talking to an iPhone user).

          Signal’s UI has improved a lot though. Still I only know one person that uses it.

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          I was implying mms as well. Didn’t know about the other additions. I only knew one person with it, and we haven’t spoken in years.

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        From now on, I’ll adhere to the “Calvin: Change my mind” meme format. Thank you for your input. 🫡

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          I feel like I would never get along with anyone who has an attitude of “I believe X. Change my mind.” I can’t imagine anyone starting a conversation that way is not an asshole.

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            i used to think it was a cool argument style like 6 years ago (i was probably 14) til i learned he was a nut and the change my mind is because of the republican (and religous) fear of being wrong not because he ever wanted his mind changed

            i almost took the pill tho i luckily saved myself using critical thinking and not really caring about politics. i just wanted to hear a “smart” guy talk.

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          Oh i get it now. The person in the photo is an asshole in real life. It only took me a day of wondering why would someone be an asshole for not liking a meme template 😅

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        He’s a right wing piece of shit who constantly says and does the most unhinged shit. Don’t really follow him, but from the top of my head, he mocked George Floyd’s death, he mocks trans people on a regular basis…

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    Eh, whatsapp isn’t ideal and its owner is one of the big devils of today, but it’s the only way to send and receive instant messages among billions of people. I despise it, but it’s the only way I can contact people. Needless to say, they don’t give a single flying fuck about privacy.

    Whatsapp outages make people migrate to Telegram for 1-2 days at most, nobody ends up staying there. Signal? I’ve only ever met three other people in RL who have even heard of it, and I work in IT.

    A more apt comparison would be to languages. Whatsapp is english: clunky, weird, full of nonsense, but it’s what “everyone talks”. Signal would probably be lojban or esperanto.

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    SMS is IE, Whatsapp is Chrome, and Signal is Firefox. Use Signal/Firefox.

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      I disagree. IE was incredibly proprietary, and SMS is at least an open standard.

      IE is…idk Facebook messenger or Imessage or something.

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      So how do I get my friends to use Signal instead of fucking Facebook messenger?

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        You can educate them if they ask but otherwise you can’t force them because most people are very resistant to this type of thing.

        Your best option is to stop using FB messenger yourself and tell them they can reach you on Signal. If they’re really your friends, I’d like to imagine they’d follow you over. If your friend group switches, more people are sure to follow which will help speed along mass adoption and normalization via word of mouth to other friends and family.

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    Look, I hate Facebook just as much as the next guy. But I live in The Netherlands and it’s the primary way I can contact literally everyone I know. So changing to another messaging app is hard here.

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    Steven Crowder is the wife abuser of the meme world.

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    signal and telegram are so much better, don’t know why we can’t get over that shit app

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    In some countries like India, people just assume that everyone uses whatsapp. It’s gotten to the point where whatsapp has become the definition of messaging (for most people).

    I don’t see how Whatsapp is outdated to the point where one would compare it to IE, but I’ll say whatsapp is more like Google Chrome than IE.

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      That’s the reality in most of the world nowadays. Latin America is exactly the same (including Brazil) and while traveling through Europe every single Airbnb communication with the hosts was made through WhatsApp… 8 years ago, I imagine it’s even more massive now.

      My last trip to the US a co-worker was really surprised I kept sending voice notes and I realized I haven’t called my wife in at least my last 3 trips… But we communicate a lot. Async is way better than sync.