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Would Rednote or whatever it’s called also be covered by the same ban?
no. the ban is not against chinese apps, its against tiktok specifically.
Not quite. As far as I can tell the US can now play whack-a-mole with any app owned or controlled by a “foreign adversary”, thanks to this precedent. The decision as to which nations are considered a “Foreign Adversary” is made by the U.S. Secretary Of Commerce.
I am not a lawyer or lawmaker, so someone please correct me if I’m wrong. Here’s the full text of the legislation (emphases mine):
DIVISION H-- PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS ACT
Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok). However, the prohibition does not apply to a covered application that executes a qualified divestiture as determined by the President.
Under the division, a foreign adversary controlled application is an application directly or indirectly operated by (1) ByteDance, Ltd., TikTok, their subsidiaries, successors, related entities they control, or entities controlled by a foreign adversary country; or (2) a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary country and determined by the President to present a significant threat to national security. (Here, a social media company excludes any website or application primarily used to post product reviews, business reviews, or travel information and reviews.)
For the purposes of this division, a foreign adversary country includes North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran.
A qualified divestiture is a transaction that the President has determined (through an interagency process)
- would result in the relevant foreign adversary controlled application no longer being controlled by a foreign adversary, and
- precludes the establishment or maintenance of any operational relationship between the U.S. operations of the relevant application and any formerly affiliated entities that are controlled by a foreign adversary (including any cooperation with respect to the operation of a content recommendation algorithm or a data-sharing agreement).
The prohibition applies 270 days after the date of the division’s enactment. The division authorizes the President to grant a one-time extension of up to 90 days to a covered application when the President has certified to Congress that (1) a path to executing a qualified divestiture of the covered application has been identified, (2) evidence of significant progress toward executing such qualified divestiture of the covered application has been produced, and (3) relevant legal agreements to enable execution of such qualified divestiture during the period of such extension are in place.
Additionally, the division requires a covered foreign adversary controlled application to provide a user with all available account data (including posts, photos, and videos) at the user’s request before the prohibition takes effect. The account data must be provided in a machine-readable format.
The division authorizes the Department of Justice to investigate violations and enforce its provisions. Entities that that violate the division are subject to civil penalties for violations. An entity that violates the prohibition on distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a covered application is subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 multiplied by the number of U.S. users who have accessed, maintained, or updated the application as a result of the violation. An entity that violates the requirement to provide account data to a user upon request is subject to a maximum penalty of $500 multiplied by the number of U.S. users impacted by the violation.
(Sec. 3) The division gives the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia exclusive jurisdiction over any challenge to the division. A challenge to the division must be brought within 165 days after the division’s enactment date. A challenge to any action, finding, or determination under the division must be brought with 90 days of the action, finding, or determination.
DIVISION I–PROTECTING AMERICANS’ DATA FROM FOREIGN ADVERSARIES ACT OF 2024
Protecting Americans’ Data from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act of 2024
This division makes it unlawful for a data broker to sell, license, rent, trade, transfer, release, disclose, or otherwise make available specified personally identifiable sensitive data of individuals who reside in the United States to North Korea, China, Russia, or Iran or an entity controlled by such a country (e.g., headquartered in or owned by a person in the country).
Sensitive data includes government-issued identifiers (e.g., Social Security numbers), financial account numbers, biometric information, genetic information, precise geolocation information, and private communications (e.g., texts or emails).
A data broker generally includes an entity that sells or otherwise provides data of individuals that the entity did not collect directly from the individuals. A data broker does not include an entity that transmits an individual’s data or communications at the request or direction of the individual or an entity that makes news or information available to the general public.
The division provides for enforcement by the Federal Trade Commission.
Rednote doesn’t have US servers though
I’m not sure whether or not that will matter. Again, not a lawyer or lawmaker, myself, but this bit makes me wonder:
(Sec. 2) This division prohibits distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a foreign adversary controlled application (e.g., TikTok).
And further down…
An entity that violates the prohibition on distributing, maintaining, updating, or providing internet hosting services for a covered application is subject to a maximum penalty of $5,000 multiplied by the number of U.S. users who have accessed, maintained, or updated the application as a result of the violation.
It sounds as though your ISP would technically be “distributing” the info to you from the foreign server, and thus subject to these fines? Not sure how that all fits in with the rest of it, or with the erosion of net neutrality.
They really have cut off their nose to spite their face imo. Only way this makes sense to me is that the users want a noble justification for their ignoble habit.
“The data would’ve ended up in China anyway since American apps would’ve sold it.” -Rationalizations of a feed addict fiending
Explain exactly how using a Chinese app will negatively impact the average American. Don’t use vague threats, use evidence based examples. I’ll wait.
Because China bad. Duh.
Wow, so all it took to resurrect McCarthyism was the addition of racism, eh?
Sorry, I assumed the /s was implied.
The real irony being you were actually right the first time, no sarcasm needed.
Have you ever been on tiktok? You will lose braincells quicker than drinking gasoline.
It should genuinely be considered self harm to have a tiktok account.
I don’t disagree, but I also feel the same about X and Facebook and neither of them have copped a ban.
Yes, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
I’d rather no moderation than one sided political moderation.
I would strongly disagree.
Like if you banned being a Nazi, but not being part of the KKK, that’s still better than “no moderation”
What you have at the moment is the government banning being a communist, but fully allowing being a Nazi on X and Facebook.
If you’re going to let Nazis thrive, at least let the communists counterbalance them.
“Chinese app”? I’m sensing some defensiveness here.
Using any for profit data harvesting app has great financial incentive to negatively impact anyone, evidence based government back-doors or not.
I’m sure there’s some lovely Chinese-made fediverse wrappers or locally hosted communities with good moderation. Idk, I don’t speak Chinese.
You’re sensing frustration at America’s consistent sinophobia.
Using any for profit data harvesting app has great financial incentive to negatively impact anyone
Pretty sure I said:
Explain exactly how using a Chinese app will negatively impact the average American. Don’t use vague threats, use evidence based examples.
So far I’ve responded to about 6 people and no one’s been able to articulate any sort of tangible negative impacts, just vague threats and handwringing.
Dang, nobody spent 20 minutes of their life citing sources about a tangentially related topic you randomly sprung on them in a Lemmy comments section? Instead they had negative reactions? They must be sinophobic - stay strong brother your next comment will surely win the lurkers over ✊
So why bother replying to my very specific question if you don’t have anything to contribute? Oh yeah, because your mum brought you up to think that your opinions are special and everyone should hear them. Way to go, champ.
I’m just very charmed by your CharmOffesive comrade! I cannot help myself - I’m compelled to reply~😍
You’ve gotta be more specific than chucking a wiki link to a UK data company, champ.
If you’re not aware by now that social networks are vectors for influencing people’s political opinions, you’re living in the wrong decade, amigo.
Can you provide any evidence that china is influencing political opinions in a way which would be unique to using a Chinese app? Or are you just fear mongering and talking out your ass?
You know what? You’re right. I doubt that a control freak government would try to control anyone.
Is this your way of conceding that you in fact have no evidence and you’re talking out your ass? Because if so, show some grace and humility and just say it, instead of acting like a teenager.
China controlling the narrative might be a bit worrying. Not sure how much that reflects in the daily life of a single person but for societies it does have some implications.
It’s no more worrying than the misinformation being spread on Facebook and X, in large part by Russian troll farms or Murdoch’s media empire, but somehow it’s China that’s the real problem. I see no reason why anyone should be fear mongering about the dangers of using a Chinese app any more than using X.
I mean imo all sort narrative building and interference is worrying and from a government perspective of course foreign actions and platforms are more worrying. China and Russia being very clearly rivals if not outright enemies of the US, it is more worrying because of that.
Any enemy of the US is a friend of mine
Sounds a bit naive
to be a friend of the US…yes.
And yet this ban does nothing to stop Chinese or Russian troll farms from spreading misinformation and using the outrage algorithm to further fracture the American public on American platforms.
This legislation is not about stopping bad foreign actors, this is purely a way to protect the business interest of American social media companies.
I’d imagine it’s much easier for the US government to control stuff, if it wants to, when it comes to American companies. That probably plays a role.
What makes you think that? They haven’t so far, despite proven Russian troll farms operating on American platorms. I think you’ve inadvertently reversed the order of master and servant there.
Yeah, anything but foss apparently.
Sorry for off topic.
Is there a f/loss alternative to tiktok?
Loops appears to be the one for that space but from what I understand they still have a lot of development to do before it’s ready for general users.
I’ve used TikTok since 2021 and really enjoyed the content that it showed me. I learned a lot about fixing things up around the house, things that were going on in other parts of the world, FROM those that live there, and even some of the funniest skits I’ve ever seen off of YouTube. It was a great place.
On every video I’ve seen, for the last two weeks, I have been plugging the Fediverse, Loops especially, for any who care. Some of the content creators did see and like my comments, but I have yet to see a video about anyone talking about it, which is sad.
I unfortunately think a lot of them were just not wanting the money train to disappear, and I can understand that, but to provide only corpo owned media to their fans really disappointed me. Sometimes, money is really not worth selling out. Or, I suppose I must be crazy and insane, because that’s how I feel about it anyway.
I’m not equating this to you personally but here is my experience (I have never used TokTik myself):
my coworker in her just about 50s said the same thing you did - “just how much life hacks” she has learned and immediately proceeded to explain if I knew that if I buy some seeds and put them in some water or moist soil it just “starts to grow” and you can then proceed to plant those “things” in pots and it will eventually grow you “fruits” and you only need to water it “like a (house) plant”.I still have not recovered from this and it’s has been a year. It really shook me to my core.
I’m still speechless about it, I don’t even know how to comment it, where to ever start thinking about it.
Just so much wow.Oh, but I agree with you abut money-train issue, foss communities are still learning how to donate to devs/creators. But it’s a process, a cultural movement & development which I am sure will lead us to a better society.
American gov worried about Americans going to Chinese social media to share even more personal information
Chinese gov worried about the influx of Americans inside their Great Firewall
What a clusterfuck. I love it.
Chinese news seems generally positive. Here’s a translation from the official Chinese media, People’s Daily, yesterday:
spoiler
You’d epxect official media to be happy about it. But they had cordoned off the rest of the world for a reason on TikTok. They have that Great Firewall for a reason.
Why would you expect official media to be happy?
I’d expect official media to be warning about dangerous foreigners manipulating you, especially if they were planning to shut it down.
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The purpose of the walled internet was to prevent western propaganda, instead they’re seeing their users get real information from real people.
Just like the “men would do anything but go to therapy” meme, Americans would rather install malware on their phones than get out to vote.
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Scary words get used to describe normal things when colored skinned people do it.
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I mean both suck and short form & vertical videos are trash, so now it’s your chance to watch better content.
I have likely learned more on TikTok in four years and I had my entire public school education.
That’s on you tbh
Should’ve paid a bit more attention in school, friend
Not everyone goes to good schools
If you think it requires a good school to learn more than on TikTok then I just think you didn’t went to any school
“You didn’t went to any school”
Did your school forget to add grammar to the curriculum or did you just skip that day?
What can I say, foreign languages can be tough
Fucking too true. Also explains why you might not understand how fucked some schools are in America.
I’m too old to be up to date with American internet culture. What app are the cool kids using now?
A bunch of people moved over to 小红书 (xiaohongshu) lit. “little red book” aka RedNote. It’s basically chinese instagram.
What’s the obsession with Chinese social media anyway
They make their apps better than us. Glory to the Chinese communist party!
