Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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      Iā€™ve previously discussed the concept of model collapse, and how feeding synthetic data (training data created by an AI, rather than a human) to an AI model can end up teaching it bad habits, but it seems that DeepSeek succeeded in training its models using generative data, but specifically for subjects (to quote GeekWireā€™s Jon Turow) ā€œā€¦like mathematics where correctness is unambiguous,ā€

      That sound you hear is me pressing F to doubt. Checking the correctness of mathematics written as prose interspersed with equations is, shall we say, not easy to automate.

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          I mean, maybe? But the amount of trust I put in a description from ā€œGeekWireā€ written by ā€œan investor at Madrona Venture Group and a former leader at Amazon Web Servicesā€ who uncritically declares that spicy autocomplete ā€œachieved strong reasoning capabilitiesā€ is ā€¦ appropriately small.

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    After fondling ChatGPT to generate naughty things, man has meltdown when he learns no one cares.

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/time-bandit-chatgpt-jailbreak-bypasses-safeguards-on-sensitive-topics/

    Horror. Dismay. Disbelief. For weeks, it felt like I was physically being crushed to death.

    I hurt all the time, every part of my body. The urge to make someone who could do something listen and look at the evidence was so overwhelming.

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      This tied into a hypothesis I had about emergent intelligence and awareness, so I probed further, and realized the model was completely unable to ascertain its current temporal context, aside from running a code-based query to see what time it is. Its awareness - entirely prompt-based - was extremely limited and, therefore, would have little to no ability to defend against an attack on that fundamental awareness.

      How many times are AI people going to re-learn that LLMs donā€™t have ā€œawarenessā€ or "reasnloningā€™ in a sense humans would find meaningful?

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      i donā€™t understand the ā€œsafetyā€ angle here. if chatgpt can output authoritatively-looking sentence-shaped string about pipebombs, then itā€™s only because similar content about pipebombs is already available on wide open internet. if model is closed, then at worst they would have to monitor its use (not like google blocks any similar information from showing up). if model is open, then no safeguards make sense in the first place. i guess itā€™s more about legal liability for openai? now they can ignore it with all these bills about ā€œai safetyā€ gone (for now)

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        also, relying on spicy autocomplete when trying to put together a deadly device sounds like cyberpunk-flavored darwin award material

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      https://www.wheresyoured.at/deep-impact/ And the companion piece on his blog.

      What I didnā€™t wager was that, potentially, nobody was trying. My mistake was ā€” if you can believe this ā€” being too generous to the AI companies, assuming that they didnā€™t pursue efficiency because they couldnā€™t, and not because they couldnā€™t be bothered.

      This isnā€™t about China ā€” itā€™s so much fucking easier if we let it be about China ā€” itā€™s about how the American tech industry is incurious, lazy, entitled, directionless and irresponsible. OpenAi and Anthropic are the antithesis of Silicon Valley. They are incumbents, public companies wearing startup suits, unwilling to take on real challenges, more focused on optics and marketing than they are on solving problems, even the problems that they themselves created with their large language models.

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    I wonder how much % of the freakout over Deepseek is AI doomers realizing the coming AI god might be ā€¦ ChiCom!

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      I know the only intended message there is ā€œI am a big racistā€, but what kind of dumb fuck adage is ā€œthe word is finite, kids are infiniteā€. Youā€™re not even trying mother fucker

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      ā€œThe world is finite and kids are infinite, especially African kids.ā€ Jfc. Anyway goes to show just how white supremacist the whole ā€œsave the childrenā€ idea is.

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    found while giving my feed a moment of scroll while making coffee after too many 3am worknights, I saw this response to the substack guy giving themselves a pat on the back again for helping the nazis

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    Screenshot of an insta post of a screenshot of a tweet

    Tweet:

    I canā€™t believe ChatGPT lost its job to AI

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    Neo-Nazi nutcase having a normal one.

    Itā€™s so great that this isnā€™t falsifiable in the sense that doomers can keep saying, well ā€œonce the model is epsilon smarter, then youā€™ll be sorry!ā€, but back in the real world: the model has been downloaded 10 million times at this point. Somehow, the diamanoid bacteria has not killed us all yet. So yes, we have found out the Yud was wrong. The basilisk is haunting my enemies, and she never misses.

    Bonus sneer: ā€œwe are going to find out if Yud was rightā€ Hey fuckhead, he suggested nuking data centers to prevent models better than GPT4 from spreading. R1 is better than GPT4, and it doesnā€™t require a data center to run so if we had acted on Yudā€™s geopolitical plans for nuclear holocaust, billions would have been for incinerated for absolutely NO REASON. How do you not look at this shit and go, yeah maybe donā€™t listen to this bozo? Iā€™ve been wrong before, but god damn, dawg, Iā€™ve never been starvingInRadioactiveCratersWrong.

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      The advanced sinophobia where the Chinese are so much better at everything than the west that even when they make better and cheaper bullshit machines than the Americans do and hand them out for free, it has apocalyptic consequences.

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      Itā€™s wild that Yudkowsky saw a binary choice of ā€œnuclear holocaustā€ and ā€œsuperintelligenceā€ and chose ā€œnuclear holocaustā€ in the first place.

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        Like, even if I believed in FOOM, Iā€™ll take my chances with the stupid sexy basilisk šŸ over radiation burns and itā€™s not even fucking close.

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          I donā€™t want to say with absolute confidence that thereā€™s no scenario I can imagine to which a nuclear apocalypse would be preferable (the real kind, not the Fallout kind). But I have yet to hear one.

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            The upcoming firestorms of climate change, while patrolling the Mohave desert almost make you wish for nuclear winter. Ow wait not like fallout you said

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              nuclear winter is not a thing that can possibly happen, from what i understand

              sagan et al overstated amount of soot put in upper atmosphere over 10x, for no particular reason other than trying to make a point

              notice how no one talked about it after desert storm? oilfield fires provided negative evidence

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                Another dream shattered. Not sure if the oilfield fires were big enough. Volcanoes can cause some cooling right? pokes old yeller

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                  Weā€™ve had recent eruptions in all be big categories, so weā€™re not due another one for a while and trying to cheat by setting one off early wonā€™t allow sufficient pressure for a proper bang.

                  Not that I want to discourage you, but donā€™t be sad if you try for a year without summer and get a couple of weeks without flights instead.

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    Iā€™m not going to link Andy Ngo but random rationalist transwomen are being accused of terror sympathyā€¦and Aella is doing this ā€˜leopards ate my faceā€™ dance.

    edit: it was @jessi_cata who tipped Ngo off of all people.

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      tbh I donā€™t understand this post at all. aella isnā€™t trans so why would she be a target for leopards? I must be misinterpreting

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        thats just me trying to use an unfamiliar meme (and just trying to narrate what Iā€™m seeing on twitter that maybe isnā€™t worth a link). she was actually complaining that people had gone to Ngo.

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      Goddammit why canā€™t the murder cult story just stay morbidly fascinating? Now Iā€™ve got to worry about implications and how the worst people are gonna use this as ammo.

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      Ok you brought aella up so now I can post this:

      Heard this song for the first time the other day and it reminded me of aella.

      side note: whatā€™s a good way to post links to music that isnā€™t youtube?

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      i donā€™t think itā€™s the first time i see jessicata acting like a total piece of shit in her completely emotionless way and itā€™s incredibly creepy. she doesnā€™t even seem to be aware of the harm she can cause.