I love Teslas though, has anyone in here actually ridden in one? The acceleration is absolutely insane. It feels like one of those roller coasters that launch you without a hill. If you test drive one and can even remotely afford buying it you’ll definitely think about it for a while.
I’m no Elon fanboy, he’s fucked up Twitter but credit where it’s due
[…] credit where it’s due
yeah, well, i don’t think musk deserves a lot of credit here. i don’t think he had an awful lot to do with the design and engineering…
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I’ve gotten a few Teslas as Ubers; the back seats are godawful.
What are you talking about? I’ve been in a bunch of Tesla Ubers and it’s comfy back there and you get a great view. Definitely better than the average Uber
Model 3 backseat is pretty awful for anyone over 6’. And I say that as someone who owns a model 3
I tried a few EVs, I’ve tried non Tesla charging stations. I drive a model 3 and I cannot stress how awful the experience of driving an EV (or even ICE cars) is shitty when comparing to a Tesla. I really can’t see myself buying something else for the moment. The whole driving, charging, entertainment experience is a complete bliss compared to other cars.
That’s pretty much every sporty electric car though
What are your top 5 in the USA?
Sorry, I have no idea as I don’t live in the US…
So you keep accelerating? There is more to pleasure driving than going from 0-60 in 3 secs. I would even argue that’s not even enjoyable
Yeah and they have no top end
Have driven one and been driven in one. Shit experience. Felt like a dumbed down car that was uncomfortable. It has a nice display in the middle, but that’s it. The upholstery felt like it was done by some cheap shop that didn’t give a crap. It definitely didn’t feel like “luxury” or even your preconceived notion of what is comfortable.
it is not luxury. i don’t know where this comes from…? it’s all the cheap stuff, but it works and is fun to drive.
That’s how they sell cars. Yeah they aren’t good, they have no quality control and they are ugly. But when the battery is full it goes really fast.
I mean yeah, they sell them by showing off what’s good about them. And if you think they’re ugly you won’t buy one anyways but clearly a lot of people like how they look
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That sounds like user error
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I think I could manage to use these features without being a cunt but to each their own
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You had been making some argument about how the drivers are cunts who cut people off and should have bought corollas… But that’s kind of on them, no? What does that really say about the car?
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The Elon hate is super cringe.
Like every other CEO is a great guy. Yea go buy off a car company that has done everything in their power to keep you using fossil fuels and everything possible to sell you the biggest shitties car with the most expensive features. Much better idea.
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Elon defenders are super cringe. This guy goes above and beyond to show that he’s a douche that cares for no one but himself. He deserves to be call be called out. Of course, he doesn’t care but you should.
Also, wonder how the electricity for your tesla is generated? Fossil fuels mostly.
I don’t think he was defending Elon. I think he’s saying that pretty much all CEO’s are just as bad. They’re just not public figures so few people know.
One of those spinny things on a stick outside or by that orange ball in the sky.
I think the problem is he’s a giant douchenozzle ruining free speech and the cars are very poorly designed compared to many other EVs.
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I mean so are chrysler dodge but no one trashes them as much, and they have had decades ahead of Tesla to sort it out
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Ha, no. But worked in Windsor/Detroit auto industry for too long. people there love their Didge/Chrysler products, but they had terrible gap spacings, faulty products right from factory, and terrible repair record with mechanics. The cheap price correlates to the level of quality though
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My semi professional opinion ( since I exited automotive right around Tesla’s public vehicle launch ) they are rushing to compete in an established market. It takes a long time to dial in quality on the stampings and frame, especially if material vendors change or others uses to ramp up production. They are focusing on production numbers to stay viable as a company. The early model had a comparable front lens design to other competitiors, the rear lens was a cheap get this assmebly done type design. Focus was on the front because everyone looks at the front of car for press pictures etc
His fans went from worshiping him and buying his cars to now selling their Tesla’s, ditching Twitix, and wanting to narc on Elon lol. Just amazing, how his luck, of his own doing, changed. However, he did get up there right? Where else is he going to go but down. I wonder who is the next person to replace until they get X’ed.
Setting them up and burning them down. Someday, it’s your turn.
Still waiting for my turn with billions burning a hole in my pocket.
This is classic cognitive disonnance. If they liked the person who made the car, I’m almost certain their mind would be different. This phenomena is particularly obvious whenever you see something that was once popular fall from grace. See the conversation around Justin Roiland or even Reddit before and after their respective controversies. You start to see the people say things to the tune of “blank was never good anyway.”
Based.
That is NOT cognitive dissonance, but motivated thinking.
That’s what I thought. Cognitive dissonance is holding conflicting ideas/positions/beliefs. This can be a purely mental, for example someone believing that evolution isn’t real because of their religion while simultaneously knowing that we have a common ancestor with chimps. It can also have a mixture of behaviors, like knowing that smoking is bad but doing it anyway or knowing you need to study/work but procrastinating anyway.
Where is the conflicting idea here? I think that telsa’s are ugly. Now that could certainly be an emotion-loaded motivational bias which has changed my perception of the cars (motivated thinking). But fuck it, yeah I do motivated thinking just like everyone else. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean that I have cognitive dissonance.
Not quite. Cognitive dissonance is not the act of holding disparate beliefs. It is the mental discomfort that people are SUPPOSED to feel holding two disparate beliefs. Nothing more.
Cognitive dissonance is the exact thing missing from the kinds of people you describe.
I don’t care what your opinion of the cars are (their build quality and after market support make them trash regardless), just trying to clear up the actual meaning of “cognitive dissonance”.
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Honestly I think they look pretty good.
But Elon is a fuck. And their build quality is shit. And I refuse to support that kind of company. And fuck people who do support them.
Idk, I talked with a bartender once who said he thought it would be amazing to drive one, and I said I didn’t think I could stomach it because of Musk, and he said I shouldn’t get political over a car. Well, they don’t interest me enough to ignore the Elon part.
I rented one in California. I was never been so frustrated with a car before in my life. There are no knobs, for ANYTHING. Everything is done through the touchscreen. Try navigating the A/C system in traffic. Or as the sun goes down and the screen brightness doesn’t dim, blinding you as you drive. I will never buy a Tesla, and it starts with the UI of the car. Elon is just the icing on that shit cake.
The UI is not the worst I’ve ever had in a car, it sacrifices a lot in favor of simplicity and/or software but a lot of simple tasks can be done through voice or happen automatically.
Wipers are auto, headlights are auto, but if you need to adjust them without using a voice command, you’re gonna say “why can’t this just be like a normal car”
You do get used to a lot of the quirks pretty quick. But there are a lot of quirks to get used to.
Not an Elon fan, just got one for a steal of a deal through a family member.
Same exact story. The whole first 2 hours I’m constantly having my kids Google Google how to lock the car, how do we adjust the mirrors, how do we turn it on, how do we change the radio station, how do we turn on the air, etc etc etc. On the third day my daughter is just trying to open the door and she yells “why is this car so fucking annoying?!”
It’s obvious it was designed by a child trying to look cool to the other kids.
Love those door handles.
The screen dims just fine on my 2019. A previous driver probably turned it off on yours for whatever reason.
I also hate the lack of knobs but the voice commands and steering wheel buttons work well enough that I’ve come to terms with it.
sorry auto dimming and extra brightness are upgrade features not yet in the implementation pipeline :( lmao
I watched a friend of mine try to parallel park hers once and just about died laughing at how shit the autopark was. She said it kept determining that the right lane was actually the curb, so it would go through all of the motions of parking and then just stop in the middle of the street. Every time I read about or interact with a Tesla, I feel like I find out about something else they added because it looks or sounds cool but doesn’t actually work.
That auto-drive-ready car will be ready for auto-drive any time now, we swear!
This is one of the criticisms of the car that hits home for me. People are now replacing old Teslas which they bought ‘full self driving’ for without ever receiving the feature.
You can transfer your FSD license…
That’s a temporary thing to drive demand for this quarter, isn’t it?
I HATE that the auto industry is moving to soft buttons for everything
What? The climate controls are always visible… how hard is it to tap or slide your finger on them.
Since it was a rental someone before you probably turned off auto brightness controls.
They’re just another hatchback and you can’t really tell that it’s a tesla except for the logo.
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I’m Canadian.
It always blows my mind that capitalists say “then just vote with your wallet” until you use your wallet to vote differently than they want.
But but but cancel culture!
Honestly I think they look pretty good.
They used to, but they haven’t updated them, so now they look dated
I’m not a car guy, I just don’t pay close attention. I drove a delivery van when the Tesla cars were gaining popularity, and I straight up had the thought one day how weird it was that there were a lot of '90s Ford Taurus sedans still on the road.
I won’t go so far to say they’re timeless, obviously, but I think the design has holding power. Their design language isn’t especially bold but it’s not out of place compared to newly released models from competitors. It’s disappointing that they haven’t made any bold changes, but I don’t think that means they’re dated.
But still, fuck em.
Yeah, Kias look fancier now.
No kidding. They build disposable cars, and the entire electric car industry is headed in this direction.
They last as long or longer than most ICE cars
They’ll last 20 years?
My parents have a 2013 Model S that’s doing just fine. It’ll last 20 years I’m sure.
I don’t doubt it can last 20 years, but I doubt any Tesla will last as long as an average Toyota. We know batteries have limited cycles. When an engine takes a shit it’s a few grand. When batteries take a shit, you’ll never even consider replacing them because they’re 5x-10x more expensive than the car is worth. So off to the landfill. Definitely saving the planet or much money buying a higher end model Tesla.
I think it becomes economical sensible for a lowest priced model 3 if you qualify for all the rebates (state and federal), otherwise it’s an early adopter tech toy.
There’s a lot of misinformation here that I’m not even going to bother to respond to
Ya that would be difficult for a Tesla fan. Easier just to make a baseless claim and pretend you could but simply don’t want to refute anything with facts.
To me they are the iPhone of cars. In a vacuum they are not bad looking, but every single one looks exactly the same. Just basic.
To me that’s kind of just the design language. Like how all BMWs look similar, or all Mazda’s look similar. Etc. Typically a strong recognizable brand is considered good, even in the auto industry.
And really idgaf if they all look the same. Model s, smaller model s (3), bigass model s(x), medium size Model s(y). That’s fine. I don’t need a single brand to offer everything, I can go to other brands for variety.
That said, fuck Tesla.
Honestly, why? Their “no harsh edges, flowing contours” looked good in 2010 but is now completely played out and ugly. Coupled with the fact that no Tesla has had a facelift in nearly a decade, I think they’re the ugliest cars on the road rn.
the cabin height being a giant bubble is what i dislike. they pretend to be smaller cars than they are. a small tesla next to a normal crossover vehicle is a good way to remind yourself how big they actually are.
One man’s “all look similar” is another man’s “strong design language”. I think BMW kidney grills are played out 30 years ago, but some people love them. Lambo wedges are played out. Jeep boxes are played out. Etc.
I personally like the no-harsh-edges look. I don’t think it’d look especially out of place if it was released this year.
But don’t get me started on the interior.
The S model is classy, I like it. All the others are awful.
I think they peaked at the 1st gen Model S (love the red), and it went downhill from there
Haha, my Tesla is awesome. Drive one.
Agreed. Love my Y but fuck Elon Musk.
i don’t think a lot of people are driving a tesla because they ant to give money to the musk. i also don’t think that guy had a lot to do with
- the software
- the build quality
- the design of the car
other than ‘i want that’ or ‘looks good to me’
People don’t have to interact with Elon when buying a Tesla. They do have to interact with dealers when buying another car. It’s not surprising so many people chose Tesla.
Reminds me of the bill Desantis signed in Florida a few months back making it so gas powered vehicles HAVE to be purchased from a dealer and cannot be purchased directly from the manufacturer. Telsa doesn’t get hit by that bill, surely has nothing to do with Desantis owning a Tesla.
This. I’ve actually had people come up to me and go hurr durr fuck your Tesla. I usually ask them who the CEO of their car make is and they never know.
The group think is horrifying
Somebody who isn’t a giant asshat loudly trying to manipulate the populace’s political opinions.
Otherwise they would know. Being famous isn’t always a good thing.
Now if you asked who were the lead engineers/designers for said vehicles it would mean more about the vehicle itself (but most everyone wouldn’t have looked them up or found their names)
I drove a Y for about 700 km this summer. It was OK.
I enjoyed driving an Audi E-tron much more. And my BMW i3 is a masterpiece as a daily city driver.
These bad vehicles just ooze rottenness from every bad part… Simply bad beyond all infinite dimensions of possible badness.
Well, maybe they’re not that bad, but Lord, they’re not good.
It’s actually a very pretty car, to be fair. Too bad it has the build quality of this spice rack
I mean it’s ok… It’s not ugly, but I personally wouldn’t call it pretty.
I thought it was pretty when it was novel, but it’s been around long enough now that it just kind of blends in. I think it’s still a nice clean design, but not really eye catching anymore.
Pretty if you like flames, terrible if you worry about the environment, torn if you are both ;-;
To each their own when it comes to aesthetics, I guess 🤷
The build quality is still objectively abysmal though, that’s not a matter of opinion…
Yea, the early ones were bad but current Model 3s and Ys are good.
I find that hard to believe since this is the kind of welding that they deem acceptable on an S Plaid:
Damn, what a funny meme.
Im 🤣🤣🤣 and 🫄
So are SUVs from BMW, Porsche or Audi. But heh I live in Europe, I guess the trucks in the US are way worse.
Aren’t you guys seeing a surge in SUVs and similar kind of “useful” vehicles?
Almost everyone I know with an SUV only has one because “I might need the space someday!” And 99% of the time either leaves random shit in the back or it’s just empty.
Same things with trucks. That bed is almost always vacant.
But the one time they actually use it for the space, it’s suddenly all “see??? I sure am glad I bought a (blank)!”
There are a few exceptions I know, but if the ratio is anything consistent across America, it would explain a lot.
Meanwhile my friend who drives a Prius can fit a surprising amount of stuff in that hatch and still has better acceleration and gas mileage than any of them…
“Prius…better acceleration”
Lol
You’ve never driven one have you? Electric motors are crazy powerful and it’s all torque. My Prius can accelerate faster than my Tacoma. What you are seeing in people driving a Prius is trying to save gas by not accelerating hard. Just because they often don’t doesn’t mean they can’t when it’s needed.
The fastest Prius on the planet is 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. The slowest Tesla on the planet is 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.
“Faster than my Tacoma”. Is it also faster than your mountain bike? Lol
They were talking about SUVs ya dip
Last I checked Tesla makes 2 SUVs.
No one can brag about the acceleration of a Prius with a straight face.
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This is objectively false. Unless you can prove that someone’s foot can change a cars 0-60 time.
Right, that Blimp person does not know how to drive obviously. As if every car has unlimited acceleration potential that can be simply unlocked by the human foot.
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It’s interesting seeing how many around me have pickups essentially as a personality trait with a pristine bed. I only use a pickup when I absolutely need to because diesel is expensive and I get much better mileage in my sedan.
Unfortunately yes
Sorry to hear that, then. One could hope the government tries to step in, but there sure will be loads of people to try and defend their right to buy wannabe monster trucks to haul their fragile egos around.
lego car
I mean Lego bricks actually fit into each other without gaps
Touché
Not employing American auto workers union employees and having people work for the lowest wages you can possibly pay really leads to the most quality product imaginable.
Guess where a lot of airplane parts are made too.
Elon frustrated me cause he gets his grubby hands into way too much cool stuff
Like bitch tesla and spacex were cool untill Elon got a Twitter account and wouldn’t shut up exposing how shit he is
I honestly really thought he was going to be an amazing person for humanity for like… a minute there. That’s a big part of my frustration. He’s in such an amazing position to do astounding things and he just sits around like a bully asking for attention instead of lunch money
… and when you tweet or x (or whatever it’s called now) sh*t about elon your car drives away
Cool meme bro.
For me the worst part about Tesla’s (and other electric cars in general) is when you’re driving behind one and they have the regenerative breaking set to maximum. When they release the gas and start coasting, they decelerate a lot quicker than I do when I start coasting behind them which forces me to brake constantly.
maybe just keep a bit of distance and don’t climb in their trunk? that also applies to non-EVs driving in front of you.
Even when I keep my distance, it’s happened to me plenty of times that I gotta press the brakes after the EV in front of me coasts for a while when I do the same. Non-EV’s don’t have the same issue since they coast down at the same speed as me. Not cool to assume that everyone drives like a Dodge RAM owner.
That’s really a driver problem not a car problem. You’d see the same behavior with a manual car in front too. I’ve got a Y and it’s the easiest thing in the world to keep a set distance with the guy in front.
They’re not talking about that. The issue is that with the aggressive regen braking, those cars decelerate very quickly, way more quickly than an ICE would with engine breaking. The lack of brake lights therefore means lots of drivers are caught off guard when a Tesla starts coasting before them, which sometimes almost feels like they’re on their brakes.
The brake lights come on when decel reaches a particular rate, which means it comes on when regen kicks in. Perhaps try driving one?
The engine braking on my 500cc bike is as aggressive, if not more, than my car. And that one’s got no decel based brake lights.
Ah didn’t know that!
Perhaps try driving one?
Yeah sure I’ll go test drive a Tesla without any intention of owning one just to see how regen braking works, good idea. Not sure why you chose to be all passive aggressive suddenly. Also, engine braking on a motorcycle is generally going to be more aggressive than cars, that’s simple physics (mass, momentum etc). Not really comparable.
Can you provide more detail on the physics?
