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European officials are preparing a multibillion-dollar defense package to bolster regional security and support Ukraine, announced by German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock at the Munich Security Conference.

The package, potentially valued up to 700 billion euros, will fund military training, arms deliveries, and security guarantees amid concerns over Russian aggression and diminishing U.S. contributions to NATO.

The move follows calls for Europe to boost its own defense spending while U.S.-Russian talks, which exclude Ukraine and Europe, on ending the Ukraine conflict continue.

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    lol whyyy Ukraine’s cooked why are we shoving more public funds up the US’ ass? Genuinely what are they hoping to accomplish?

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        The reality that Ukraine is cooked for the next several decades by any sensible metric is independent of any ideology, it’s just fact. It’s over, it’s done, Russia will get what they want and the US will get a neocolony, aka what they want.

        The only thing I don’t get is why we still finance lockheed martin? jk I think I have an idea for why UVDL is still hellbent on getting as much as possible out of public coffers and into the hands of foreign private investors.

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          Well, Ukraine quite recently rejected Trump’s neocolonial proposal.

          Which, for some reason, Biden has forgotten to even send …so maybe part of the US doesn’t really want that kind of stuff. ¹

          …and well, the title describes European countries rushing to turn the page on Trump - assemble about three (maybe four) times the resources the US has thrown in, worth about six or seven Russian annual defense budgets. It seems a move that’s not only intended to help Ukraine repel Russia, but end defense dependence on the US, on the premise that the partner no longer is reliable.

          ¹ IMHO, it’s just that the US has so much power invested in one damn person and an electoral system that prevents diversity. Which is tragic. :(

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            It seems a move that’s not only intended to help Ukraine repel Russia, but end defense dependence on the US, on the premise that the partner no longer is reliable.

            Which is a good thing IMO. From this side of the large pond the USA looks more and more like a bully on par with Russia and China.

            East of UA is fucked for decades but Russia is fucked too. Both countries burnt through quite a lot of their arsenal from Soviet times and struggle to keep their troops supplied. UA has it easier because the European countries help with weapons, munitions and other equipment.

            Unfortunately Russia can sustain the current attrition rate by another 5-10 years before the situation becomes truly unbearable for them. My fear is that by then the UA might have collapsed.

            The best case scenario is that Putin dies shortly and his successor ends this stupid war.

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          Production isn’t were it’s supposed to be because there hasn’t yet been enough time to build more production capacity hardware (factories, specialist workers, logistical systems etc…). It’s unfortunate right now, the US has already all that. But it’s the big push before the end of the line for any US made weapon systems in the EU. Too dangerous to have an Ally of Russia as a supplier who can cut you out of the usage of what he sold you at the most critical time.

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            because there hasn’t yet been enough time to build more production capacity hardware

            Oh there has, but companies didn’t invest because noone was making large enough orders to justify that investment. Push come to shove Austria can build more rotary forges in a week than Russia can produce tank barrels in those two forges they have.

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            we’re pinched for energy and dependent on the US for it unless we diversify our imports (russia) or produce our own (nuclear). Particularly for the production of steel.

            Whats even harder to fix is the brain-drain with most academics leaving for US or China where the major research is happening

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              we’re pinched for energy and dependent on the US for it unless we diversify our imports (russia) or produce our own (nuclear)

              From what I heard, the EU is replacing Russian energy dependency with imports from the US and Norway, and I’m sure there would be other options if we cut off the US as well. Also, plenty of European countries have nuclear plants, and some are building more (UK, for one at least) as well as increasing renewable production.

              Whats even harder to fix is the brain-drain with most academics leaving for US

              From what I’ve been hearing, academia in the US is kinda fucked - probably even more now with Republicans Nazis in charge - so I’d need a source for that. In fact, starting a few months to a year ago, YouTube keeps recommending me videos of (American) people talking about why they left academia.

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      They’ve actually been pretty much tied with the Russians for the last year, I’d say. Russia’s bigger, but also taking way more losses, so in the end the front line has stayed put.