I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.
Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything.
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)
It’s not your computer, it’s Microsoft’s. That’s the message I get from using windows.
In otherwords, it’s Apple now, but with none of the benefits.
It is literally not - they sell licenses to large companies, and individual users are only an afterthought.
Windows is nagware now. Microsoft dared to imagine an entire OS on the Winrar model.
Its actually worse than that. I PAID for Windows. If I paid for WinRAR they would stop.
Well WinRAR only nags you when you use it, unlike windows that is always running and almost always nagging.
If you stop using Windows, it also stops nagging you.
I have but for this PC, and only due to game pass not working nice on Linux (I like to play games with old friends far away)
I understand. If you don’t already know it, you can look up here if your games would work on Linux: https://www.protondb.com/
I game on Linux but my friends on xboxs, proton does not come into it sadly.
Don’t you compare windows to that time honoured and helpful software. WinRAR knows when to quit, and is free
I wish they went with the winrar model. Winrar just nags you once when starting. Windows keeps trying to trick you into giving them your data and signing up for a subscription.
Windows 10 is my last windows. When it’s no longer supported I guess I’ll have to learn to use Linux.
I’m not waiting for that, just waiting until I have a free few days to figure out linux.
Also abandoning Android for Graphene as soon as I get a new phone.
Enshittification advances ever onwards
It only takes like an evening. Go with Linux Mint and essentially you will be using your computer in a half hour. Everything else is the fun of discovering all the cool stuff that Linux does easier and more flexible than Windows.
Can you elaborate on the cool stuff?
The terminal is essentially arcane magic, with bash scripting out of the box, this is big if you’re a programmer. Most Linux desktop environments have workspaces and tiling features which make workflow really easy and fluid. Something that Windows is only getting now on W11. Everything is customizable, so you will learn the meaning of the term “ricing”. Which is to make your desktop look as cool as possible, since everything from the fonts and icons to the color of the taskbars and transparency are 100% customizable. There are several rabbit holes you can choose to go into just on aesthetics. But then you have actual productivity stuff like learning your distro’s package manager, backup utilities, etc.
Just wrote myself a bash script that uses ssh to fork to background, authentication via key to an ssh server it creates; forwards to tor; tor OR proxies to socks5; creates a shadowsocks server and client, connects the client; and forwards to a remote socks5 server via ssh dynamic forwarded port.
This is my first real script.
Linux is bonkers.
I love it.
Also: Gtk is the way. Qt is not my friend.
Agreed. Linux Mint shows just how turnkey the user-friendly distros are these days. Even though it is not designed as one of the lightweight, speedy and efficient distributions for experts, it absolutely feels that way compared to windows. And that’s with windows running natively and Mint in a VM.
Give us an update in a few months how that goes for you
Been on Linux for 15+ years and on graphene for about a year. It’s fine. Keep a backup (quarantined) Windows box for games but don’t use it much.
Keep a backup (quarantined) Windows box for games but don’t use it much.
The last vestige of my Windows install is a disk image that I haven’t touched in half a decade. The SSD it was on itself has long since been reused for something else.
You could try dual booting to make the migration a little less extreme. I started that around the time Windows 11 came out and realized about a year later I don’t use Windows for personal stuff anymore. Windows is now gone and I do not really miss it.
If you shift over to Windows 10 LTSC you’ll get security updates until 2032.
Or you can use ShutUp to turn off a bunch of annoying shit that microsoft pushes
Is it open source?
Windows 7 was my last Windows. Why wait?
You should probably start learning before your OS is out of support.
This kind of shit is what made me switch to Linux. I just didn’t feel like I owned my computer anymore.
Yeah, I’m going to see about Quebes or just running VM inside Ubuntu at this point.
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I would love to switch, I’ve used Linux a few times but primary use of my machine is for gaming, Valve have done wonders with Proton and the Steamdeck but imo it’s probably not quite there yet?
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Last time I’ve tried gaming on Linux I had a bad time even connecting my controllers on it, it’s plug and play on windows, do you think there has been any improvement on that regard?
Is not only improved, but it’s getting better. I find it hard that a controller didn’t work on Linux. Which ones were there? Xbox works plug and play, always had. Linux got Play Station controls to work on them before Windows had a driver for them. Originally those things were paid options on Windows. Third party are pretty much cookie cutter drivers that all have always worked seamlessly on Linux. If you have any lingering doubt, you can read the reviews on the Steam Deck, essentially, if it works on a Steam Deck, it will work on a PC with Linux installed. Steam’s BigScreen mode turns any regular PC into a controller-centric Console like experience.
Yeah, I play with generic ps4-like controllers. I’ve been really considering switching to Linux these days, but I feel like such a beginner… Anyway, thanks for the response!
Depends what kind of games you play. Games like Fortnite, Roblox (though it seems a workaround is being worked on?), R6 won’t work because of their anticheat systems.
Personally, 100% of my Steam library of 200+ games work perfectly on Proton.
We can bitch all we want but their dollars still go up
And those dollars need to go up so those who invest get returns. And you are an idiot if you don’t invest your money, what kind of loser doesn’t invest their money? Don’t you want your dollars to go up?
Line goes up!
Line goes up - the rich get richer.
Line goes down - people lose their jobs.
Eh, this particular screen is kind if misleading. You say you dont see a “skip” or “do not remind again” button, well that’s because those buttons are on the next screen(s) for each individual feature. I’ve gotten this screen a couple times, just click through and you can skip/opt out of all the features. It’s kind of silly, but I think the point is that they want you to look at each new feature individually.
Then this screen itself is misleading, because it gives no indication that you don’t need to do the stuff. It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
In other words, it’s designed exactly as intended.
Yeah, but nothing here would be considered as a “new feature” and each is an ad for a product that OP chose not to use during initial install. As such, s/he shouldn’t be reminded of them, especially not during an OS update and certainly not with an unskippable window. Yes, s/he has the option to skip each feature individually later, but this initial window is either a “remind me later” or a “do it now”.
To get into specifics of each item:
OneDrive has been around forever.
If OP customized his/her browsing experience, s/he clearly doesn’t want “Microsoft recommended browser settings” (which, by the way, is Edge with Bing search and with all telemetry turn on high).
365 has been around for a while, and this thing is pushing the subscription (by definition, an ad for a paid product).
Windows Phone app isn’t new, either.
Microsoft Hello has been around for about as long as Windows Phone app and features.
That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!
It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind
The new Debian is fucking awesome.
what’s cool about it?
Debian is the most stable operating system ever, and it’s new version 12, is a really good OS.
What I liked was that it starts quick, never crashes, uses minimal system resources, and with GNOME has an excellent UI. Being a Linux OS that isn’t Ubuntu and isn’t Windows, it doesn’t spy on me.
Also love operating systems that use Bash or similar. I know how to drive them, I don’t know how to drive MSDOS.
I have a very powerful computer but the start time difference between Windows 11 and Debian is insane. Debian starts almost instantly.
I was specifically trying Debian as a gaming platform, so I installed Steam and GOG and a couple of Windows games running through proton. They worked really well.
In the end I had to go back to Window, because it’s just not there for me yet. Most games worked well, but a few have unacceptably low performance. It requires a bit of fiddling to get everything working right as well, because some of the defaults prevent people from just gaming.
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i tried mint a couple years back and had a similar experience as far as gaming went, yeah
Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it’s contemporaries.
Random question but you’d probably know. If I had Debian 11 when debiann12 came out will it update or do you need to reinstall? How has this worked in the past and how do you think the jump from 12 to 13 will work?
I’m used to rolling releases but I recently put Debian on my laptop
I have never needed to reinstall Debian. if sources.list say stable, you’d upgrade automatically. but normally the sources specify the release name “bullseye” and you would change that to bookworm when you want to upgrade.
I installed Debian potato right after 2000 sometime. Because i was so annoyed by running into rpm hell with early redhat releases whatever and having to reinstall all the time. and I apt upgraded to Debian woody, and following the release notes, everything worked. At the time that was wild to see. Have been running Debian on all the servers i touch at work since. The Release notes contain information about what is changed from a regular installation. So you can follow the new defaults if you so want.
I DD’d the installation to a larger harddrive, before upgrading to sarge. and by then it had become a bit of a sport, while not being necessary in any way I have kept on upgrading, and moving my daily driver over to new machines for fun.If you want a rolling release, you can run Debian testing, if you want stability you can depend on, run Debian stable. testing will stick a bit before release, and then have a period of rapid changes after release, but for a not critical desktop, it is generally very nice.
if you want to keep your system healthy tru the decades make sure you read the issues to be aware of in chapter 5 of the release notes for each new release : https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ they contain vital changes you may want to do to keep your system more similar to a freshly installed one.
I agree, although I used to use it for a dev server and SSH in. It’s a great piece of kit!
Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.
If you don’t play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windows VM is a good option.
We’re getting there! There’s still games that run much better on Windows, and some games still don’t have Linux support. But the numbers are shrinking like crazy (THANK YOU STEAMDECK, Steam is the best company for game health as a whole.)
Also with VR… well, I don’t actually know. I haven’t tried, but will my index be fully functional (and run as well) on Linux?
I switched to Pop!_OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM
(because you’ve only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it’s always the same)
Yeah, I think I am going to setup a VM. I only need it for work due to Windows apps that would work just fine in a VM.
I am actually considering Qubes OS, which might take some work but overall would probably be a good seamless process.
How do you like Pop!_OS? I was looking at System76 computers one day and looked into it a couple years ago. Never gave it a try though, based off Ubuntu right?
Ubuntu/Debian base yeah.
It just worked out of the box for me and runs everything that kept me locked to windows so I’ve stuck with it.
I’ve run Handbrake in a VM because the linux version doesn’t allow setting the default folder for some reason but otherwise haven’t needed Windows in months. and as long as I don’t need to do anymore bulk trascoding I’ve probably seen the last of it.
If it’s your own machine, I recommend running one of the Windows 11 debloaters.
I’ve moved all of my personal machines over to Linux (specifically Ubuntu). Windows just isn’t worth it anymore.
That’s a good recommendation, I actually did run a windows debloater/spyware before. This just happened to be snuck in with an update I guess? I should probably do it again at this point.
I wouldn’t use Windows if I didn’t have too…I do run Tails and Ubuntu as well but unfortunately 40hrs+ a week on Windows…it sucks.
You have to run it again after every major update.
Run the debloater every update. Some stuff in there is actual settings, but other stuff will be “repaired” by windows.
Also, a workaround to that screen (so far, at least) is to shut the computer down and start up again and it doesn’t return till next update.
Okay, nice! Good information!
Question: if you already don’t like Windows, I assume you don’t care about the new features that come with new updates. So I wonder - why do you update at all? Set everything up as you want it, remove all the hot garbage as you see fit, and disable updates.
Primarily for drivers and security updates.
You have a point, I could turn off updates and manually update as I need too but my frustration is that there are ads in the first place.
my frustration is that there are ads in the first place
Fair enough, a very good point.
Personally I’ve been using customized / debloated versions of windows for a couple years now and have not looked back. Every time I spin up a stock Windows VM I’m shocked how atrocious the experience is. Though I understand that a Windows ISO modified by an unknown third party can be scary to some.
I think I would trust an unknown 3rd parties ISO more then the stock Windows at this point really…
There’s been a pretty recent development in the Windows Customization community which released a new toolkit, essentially allowing you to write YAML-based scripts with custom instructions how to modify a live windows installation, which makes the process completely open-source and transparent. I can link some of the projects pages if youre interested to learn more.
Skipping software updates is not a good idea, let alone OS updates. Inbetween all the terribly annoying bullshit they insist on foisting off on people, they do provide security patches and so on.
How do you like the Snap store and snap packages being pushed on you silently when you try to install packages through APT? :)
I have run into zero issues installing packages from other places. The snap store is a bit annoying but not a big deal. I’ve been on and off using Ubuntu since ~2005 so that’s why I went with it over another distro.
Give them a break. They just moved from Windows, you just need to relearn to breath after that. Moving to another distro is a small step in comparison.
Not new to Linux, it’s literally what I’ve been dealing with for work for the last decade. I just meant that I moved the last of my personal machines away from Windows.
You want a broken Windows install? This is how you get a broken Windows install.
Speaking from experience here. I’ve done this on over a dozen different computers with zero issues over a three month span. It was part of a proposal for transitioning our company computers to Windows 11 while cutting out the junk. None of them had any problems running without Xbox services, Cortana, bloatware games, activity tracking, etc.
We ended up using Microsoft Intune for restricting Windows 10/11 to our standards. But that’s not really available for consumers and debloaters are safe to use instead.
They are desperate because 2/3 of their userbase still uses Windows 10.
Look, i don’t mind the CPU/TPM requirement too much now, but did you really needed to mess up the interface? (Plus, forcing you to have Teams always installed.)
Several things always installed, it’s annoying really lol
The most infuriating thing about windows to me is the big stupid fucking red X on every single file, reminding me that I’m not currently storing my shit on someone else’s computer. Is there a way to remove that service from my computer entirely?
Uninstall onedrive
That’s what I did, it’s one of the few things that it does let you uninstall.
Disable Manage folder backup feature in OneDrive settings -> Backup -> Manage backup -> Stop backup on all folders, or toggle them off on newer version.
Remind me in 3 days. That shit should be against the law. There should be a don’t bug me ever again option.
Try to uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows”/“Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates and occasionally when I sign in to highlight what’s new and suggested” in Settings -> System -> Notification & actions (Windows 10) or “Offer suggestions on how I can set up my device” in Settings -> System -> Notifications (Windows 11)
Weird coincidence but this is also how you opt out of a time share condo!
Actual lol from me!
Linux user here. But, that will be helpful for many I’m sure. Nice
which distro?
Debian & Pop
big if true
It’s a dark pattern microaggression.
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“Why are you upset? We gave you a choice.”
Afterall, “Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices.”.
across all
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I never understood why anyone would pay for office 365 or use something like hello. Like Libreoffice is free and does the same job with less bullshit. And last time I checked windows is not running on any ones phones so why push the leftover failed features?
To this day there are things that you can only do in Excel for Windows. Not Mac, not web, only Windows excel. If you are a spreadsheet power user, you are stuck with both Office and Windows. If you work in the corporate world, you are stuck with Office and most likely Windows.
If you’re using Excel so much to the point that certain things can only be done in Excel on Windows, just learn Python.
Really? I have never ran into anything like that. I worked in the corporate world for 10 years and used open office then libreoffice. My company had office but I hated it.
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If your competition is other spreadsheet programs, then yes. If your competition is Python or R, absolutely not.
Guess I would not know, myself and my businesses have not used Excel in years. Out of curiosity whats missing from the free Excel rip offs? Hotkeys, formulas, or what?
I’m curious about this as well. I have used Libreoffice for years without an issue. My understanding as always been that Microsoft Office products just have more advertising and so many people got/get trained in it that it’s just easier then to learn it differently to use LibreOffice software.
I was not aware there was anything missing, other then maybe the cloud. I do know smaller businesses and even some schools who have swapped to LibreOffice but usually overseas, outside the US.
So glad i ditched windows a decade ago and never locked back once. What a shit show
Comments like these from Linux users are the equivalent of going on a car maintenance community where someone has said “I’m having a problem with the brake lights on my 2021 Hyundai i20N”
And replying “Hi, I have a Renault Clio and I don’t have that problem”
If you have a Renault I don’t believe you that you don’t have a problem.
Yeah the two car models should be switched, Hyundais are tanks nowadays
Eh, not quite. I’d say a better analogy involves the posts being “I have a (insert car model here) and the brakes are making worrying squealing noises”, and “Hi, here’s a (link) to a trade-in offer for a model of car that’s much less likely to have the brakes fail on you. It won’t even cost you anything to swap except 30 minutes of your time.”
…and by the way it only runs 80% of the time and there’s no way of knowing when 😂
There are short term solutions and they are long term solutions.
If your relationship is abusive, you can try to fix it but after years of no effect it’s better to prepare for new one. It’s a tool, no feelings for it. Don’t get abused by silly thing like a operating system brand.
I always wonder what people like you do for CAD.
Try to remember that some of us have to use windows for work. Comments like yours are unhelpful. The world would be entirely made of of people who don’t care/complain + people on Linux if it weren’t for certain software.
I do a lot of CNC cutting, 3D printing and designing my own parts. U may laugh at it but i am very fine with using FreeCAD and OpenSCAD for that.
Why would I laugh? That’s awesome that you have a non-Windows solution, and suggests that on the glorious day when I CAD only for hobbies or self-directed work and not for the man that I will have options.
Until then, Windows it is.
I swear this gets posted weekly, there’s a simple solution but it’s always missing from the comments.
Go into notification settings
Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows”
While you’re at it, turn off any of the other suggestion / recommendation settings.
Except Microsoft will occasionally reset settings on updates.
The problem is, there’s no immediately visible option to stop this crap; stopping said crap therefore takes time, which is an individual person’s single most valuable resource. People have to go searching through settings or go googling ‘how do I do this’ in order to disable this, and even that slight inconvenience means there’s going to be a lot of people that want to disable it, but end up not bothering, and that’s not a good thing. Rule of thumb, if it’s not absolutely trivial to do on a whim, it may as well be impossible.
I did already have this turned off, and it still pops things up like this and trying to get me to sign into a Microsoft account. It’s just annoying and they don’t provide an option to skip or don’t remind me again which makes it even worse.
I understand some people need to use Windows for a variety of reasons, but I switched to Linux a while back and love it so much
What Distro? I use Ubuntu and sometimes tails for personal use. This weekend, I think I’m just going to setup a Windows VM instead and maybe try out Quebes if I can get that to work.
I only NEED it for a couple low resource applications, hell maybe it’ll run in wine.
I mostly use OpenSUSE :) Qubes seems really cool
