Trump freed 1500 criminals who wanted to kill elected officials in a terrorist-style seige of the capital.
But yeah, go punish a national hero.
US Government wants to kill a guy for politcal reasons.
Killing someone is exactly how you get a really fucking angry crowd who will remember his name seek revenge.
I think there’s even a word for it. Let me go ask my friend Marty R.
If Luigi Mangione get killed he will live forever as a martyr of the workers. His name will forever be etched into history and a new wave of revolutions will arrive, a working class united against the rising tide of fascism.
You’d think Trump would be aware of the martyrdom argument. Maybe not.
Question: Will “The Government’s most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts” be on the gates to the concentration camps?
The wealthy will make an example out of him. Meanwhile, they will continue holding up Daniel Penny as the right kind of extrajudicial murderer.
Viva la révolution? 🔪
Vive* la révolution (français) ou viva la revolución* (espagnol)
Oui désolée vous avez raison, mais… por qué no los dos? lol
No le entiendo a tu español amigo
I combined French and Spanish in my first comment by accident. I did it intentionally in my response to the correction. The first part is French and says “yeah sorry, you’re right, but…” and the second part is how I’ve seen “why not both” used in Spanish. 2x the revolution, you know?
I’ll show myself out.
Good. They should try to get the death penalty which will put the jury under the maximum pressure to nullify.
I wonder if some of the legal fund can be used for public service announcements to educate the public on jury nullification. IIRC judges don’t like to hear that kinda talk in court.
I hope you’re right, but would bet against nullification actually happening either way.
Even if they find him guilty, he could be pardoned after the revolution.
Im betting trump personally assigns Eileen Canon to this case to ensure democracy is 100% dead and no jury verdict will be allowed
Nullifying it federally doesn’t matter if he gets life without parole in New York anyway.
No, but state nullification will still matter. And there are few New Yorkers who wouldn’t nullify in this case, I feel. Being in NY.
Anecdotal of course, but I’d nullify and am from NY and most ppl I know would as well. This is one of those few things that surpasses political divides due to just how unhappy ppl are with our healthcare system.
I come from a family of doctors. My older bro surgeon was telling me how weird it was to see even doctors celebrating the murder of someone, when they routinely save the lives of scumbags. That’s how reviled health insurance companies are. Doctors would rather happily save the life of a shot gangbanger over a CEO who makes sport of trading lives for money. They attribute far more deaths to him and hold him accountable for lives lost that could have been saved.
The only industry where you do your job, save lives, and then have to beg to be paid regularly, often needing to argue on the phone on a patient by patient basis, wasting yet more time from doctors. Have to employ whole departments of people whose only job is to talk to insurance companies and get permission for everything ahead of time (prior authorizations) and then an entire other team who will still appeal the claims when they inevitably get denied (medical billers). And then they STILL need to talk to the doctor directly to argue in what’s call Peer to Peer, where the doctor now has to argue against another doctor employed by the insurance company. They have to argue with a doctor who represents the insurance company instead of human life. Mind boggling.
It’s a completely shit show.
He killed one of the Kings white stags on his lands.
St. Luigi of Hood.
He didn’t even kill. He’s innocent.
He’s innocent until proven guilty. But there does seem to be a strong case that he did kill him.
Impossible. Luigi and I were white water rafting in Idaho on the day of the murder. Luigi and I love white water rafting.
Nah, you were with his brother, Mario. It’s easy to mistake the two. I was with Luigi, he was vacationing in Denmark with me.
You are mistaken, you were with his evil counterpart, waluigi! I was with luigi, riding a mighty scots pine as it floated down the rivers of british columbia.
No no no. You see, you couldn’t have been with Luigi because he and I were horseback riding in Montana at that time.
Oh no, don’t tell her Waluigi fooled me again?
“I would have liked to have seen Montana.”perhaps Captain Borodin, in a another life. maybe even sometime say oh i dunno in the third arc of that life you’ll be a professor and run a failing dig site at Fort Peck Lake, Montana for fossils!
I can’t read the text 💀
If so, why is he pleading innocent?
He isn’t. There is no plea of innocence in the US system. He pled not guilty. There’s plenty of daylight between innocence and not being guilty as charged.
He pled not guilty. You don’t plead innocence in court.
He has to prove that he is not guilty of the case brought by the prosecution. That’s what not guilty means. He only has to disprove the specifics of the case brought against him.
Its the procetutor’s job to prove, it is the defendant’s job to disprove.
Pleading not guilty is the right choice. Either his lawyers think he’s not guilty, and this plea lets them beat the charges, or he is guilty and this plea delays the inevitable.
If he pled guilty that would skip the main part of the trial and go straight to sentencing. Pleading guilty is rarely a good idea unless you are making a deal for a reduced sentence.
The prosecution has to prove. The defense only needs to introduce reasonable doubt. Not that these are the sort of fine points that will matter when the show trial starts.
It’s all just game theory. It’s a 2x2 grid of (actually guilty, actually not guilty) and (plea guilty, plea not guilty). You add up the risks and rewards for each box and usually not guilty is the better choice
I think it was a case I heard about on Criminal podcast where a man who turned himself in for having killed a man a long time ago and took full responsibility ended up pleading not guilty at his lawyer’s insistence. He thought there was a reasonable chance for a more lenient sentencing that way than pleading guilty. Can’t remember what the reasoning was.
funny thing Witty dint even bat an eye, one of his underlings got shot.
free luigi <3
If he’s actually put to death, he’ll become a martyr. Saint Luigi Mangione. If this doesn’t spark a revolution, we’re fucking toast. I hate this fucking timeline.
Luigi has become such an icon and crystallized so many frustrations that I’m hopeful his conviction will finally spark the rebellion this country desperately needs. Hopefully in time before it turns into a fully fledged dictatorship - so, pretty soon.
If they convict him there’s likely to be mass riots.
There’s no “if” here, it’s “when”.
Whether or not Luigi did it, somebody needs to made an example of by the ultra-rich class and the corporate world for murdering one of their own. That person is Luigi.
I expect a mistrial to be totally honest. They can’t shield the jurors from enough outside influence that not a single one buckles at least in my opinion.
No
Great contribution to the discussion there.
Yes
Trump, in an executive order: “The Government’s most solemn responsibility is to protect its citizens from abhorrent acts, and my Administration will not tolerate efforts to stymie and eviscerate the laws that authorize capital punishment against those who commit horrible acts of violence against American citizens.”
Abhorrent acts like denying over 1/4 of healthcare coverage claims? Abhorrent acts like demanding surgeons scrub out and immediately call back the insurer to justify the surgery that they were in the middle of performing?
No, of course not.
The other side of that coin is that capital punishment doesn’t protect anyone from anything. In fact, it puts us all in more danger for a variety or reasons, including:
- The State can kill you with impunity if so desired
- Where capital punishment exists, people who commit crimes are more likely to escalate to more heinous acts in order to evade capture
capital punishment is only there to satiate conservative voters in the countries, they love this. otherwise the states wouldve all eliminated them already.
I only wanted to point out the hypocrisy, but you make a good point:
Where capital punishment exists, people who commit crimes are more likely to escalate to more heinous acts in order to evade capture
I forgot:
- Innocent people get executed a lot.
And this indirect effect, even when the person sentenced to death is undeniably guilty:
- Opportunity cost. The legal process of appeals that goes on before a convicted person is actually executed is more costly than life imprisonment. The money spent on that process is not spent on constructive public good.
This shit comes from the same mouth that incited a fucking riot and tried to overthrow the government. Fuck this piece of dog shit.
By his own decree his 2020 administration should be facing capitol punishment for acts of federal agents in Portland and other cities during peaceful protests over unrest at the time.
Trump wasn’t talking about Luigi, his act was about supplying lethal injection drugs to states with pending executions. Luigi hasn’t received any sentencing.
President Donald Trump ordered the attorney general to pursue the death penalty “for all crimes of a severity demanding its use” in an executive order signed January 20. The order ended the moratorium on federal executions enacted by former President Joe Biden’s administration.
1/3 which is much worst than 1/4 denial.
For science, here’s the fund if you’re curious…
I’m glad this turned out to be legit. I had wallet out on day one of this campaign.
It’s literally for science, considering the opposition.
Thanks. Donated.
Rich fucks are afraid he might go after them if he gets out of jail one day.
Even moreso, I think they’re worried this will normalize violence against their class, so they want to make an example of him. One Luigi can be imprisoned or executed; a thousand Luigis is a bigger problem.
I like the sound of one thousand Luigis
Ironic point, given making a martyr of someone is a better way to galvanize supporters. Big reason we… er, people, haven’t assassinated Trump.
Would you rather fight a Luigi-sized duck or 100 duck-sized Luigi’s?
I think Luigi is like Batman. As long as they have time to prepare and strap up, my money is on the 100 duck sized Luigis.
isnt he more like punisher/dexter. Batman is a goody two shoes, vigilante.
Well yeah certainly not like Batman in all respects. But kinda like Batman in the sense of a well-off white dude turned vigilante who goes after criminals that the standard justice system methods aren’t equipped to handle.
they had to consistently astroturf him on MSMS and some anti-luigi comments on places like reddit to bring conservative back under thier fold, not even the grifters were fooling them at the time, it took like a month later to use one russian issued grifter, jack to do it.
The order was supplying states with lethal injection drugs, had nothing to do with Luigi in particular.
