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It’s only legal to make an attack dog if the cops own the dog.
I hope I’m understanding your angle of approach on this.
Crowd control dogs are highly trained and don’t go out on a rampage unless commanded to. It’s their handler that triggers the response. Otherwise, the dogs do not exhibit arbitrary aggression behaviour. Even military trained dogs must not demonstrate aggressive tendencies; if so, they would be a danger for their handlers and other allies. The attack behaviour is developed and triggered under specific conditions and commands.
You can train a dog in the same manner. Dog trainning is an open knowledge base and I personally think everyone should work with their dogs in order to give them the best outcome possible for their lives. It’s the closest symbiotic relation our species has with another, in my understanding. And it’s fun.
From this point forward, I’m going to talk from personal experience.
I was lucky enough to have the perfect dog in a very bad point of my life. That dog forced me out of my house, to go on long walks and think on something other than my misery. I never taught a single thing to him beyond sitting and laying down on request. I never taught him to wait for me, keep an eye out when I was foraging for something or being protective of my family.
This was dog that, still not fully grown, took on two other, bigger than him, to protect my infant child, out of his own vollition. And that when called by name returned. This would be the same dog, that years later, would stare down another> , known for being unreliable around children, into submission, a dog the person responsible for feared and kept chained. I had a lord by my side and I was lucky for it.
When that dog died in my arms, of old age, I lost a brother and a son. I’m crying as I write these words.
Today I have two dogs of the same breed but I have severely failed them, by allowing another person to force me to take them to under the wrong conditions: separatly and too early. This created a vicious beggining for their lives, making them fearful and wary of everyone, which made them prone to be aggressive out of fear and aggressive towards each other. Things have been better with some measures but I feel as I failed them.
Most dogs show aggressive behaviour out of improper care, be it by negligence or abuse.
I’ve been studying and working, actively, to be a dog trainer. I have scars, from my own dogs, for mistakes I’ve done. I hold no anger against them. It was my mistakes that made them react to the world as they do today. I’ve helped other people not make the same mistakes with their dogs; it’s my small contribution for a better world, I hope.
I’ve only met two dogs beyond any reach. One diminished from birth causes, making the dog effectively uncapable of acquiring any modulation to his behaviour; besides eating, nothing mattered and he would attack anything he viewed as potentially edible and attack to keep others from food, even after being fed to satisfaction. The other had been severely abused, being given alcohol as a pup, which stunted his development, both physical and mental. The dog would attack out of nothing, anything, and would not calm down until passing out of exhaustion. I believe he suffered from allucinations. Both had to be put to rest, as their lives would never be happy.
So, you can have a dog prepared to defend you. You just need to prove you can take care of the dog properly.
That’s a very touching story, and something tells me you had German Shepherd dogs. I agree they can be some of the most loving and loyal companions, but you should know their breed has a huge variety of personality traits, and some of them are just naturally skittish, aggressive, or untrainable. If they were abused, it’s basically impossible to undo that trauma. I’ve had a lot of experience working with many breeds, and you shouldn’t blame yourself for their problems.
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The girls I currently care for were taken, one too early from her mother, at six weeks old, and because I was to overprotective of her, as there was a declaration of an infecto-contagious disease, fatal for puppies, and for which she could not be vaccinated before being six months old, in the least, she lost that very important early socialization window and became a very stressed and fearful dog. Even today, some gestures like rubbing her belly can trigger a growling reaction. She is lovely, otherwise and will bark and lunge but will gladly run off at first chance.
The other one, was the last one leaving her mother, at 12 weeks, but she was very underweight and skittish when coming home. Even today she stresses over food very easily. I risk she was poorly fed and had to fight for every piece she managed to get. She is very territorial and often is the first aggressor when they fight as she does not trust her sister around the family when she starts barking or fretting over anything.
Things have been easier later, as we introduced somw grounds rules to the family, especially my kids, that easily get into panic mode and start screaming for anything, which is a very clear trigger for them. If the kids are scared, there is a potential danger. When they don’t find it, they turn on each other and these are vicious dogs when engaged in a fight.
My male would enter a full kill-or-be-killed attitude when any threat presented itself. I never had any problems with him because we worked very well as a unit and I was always ready to take the first step to send away another dog before things got out of control. But this breed has gladiator spirit: outnumbered, out muscled, they fight to the death, if need be.
Don’t know much about this, but some experts have this to say on Pitbulls: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/pets/are-pit-bulls-dangerous-experts-set-the-record-straight-on-these-lovable-dogs/ar-AA1nG7F5
Out of curiosity, I tried looking up info on the attack/fatality rate of pitbulls outside of the USA (assuming Pitbulls are dangerous because the culture of the USA views them as such and this they are raised to be) but couldn’t find much.
The only one I found quickly was that they gave a high incidence of attacks in Japan as well, but the owners tend to be Yakuza or other gang members, so yeaaahhh…
I have had pitties for years
Left to their own devices pitties are harmless. In a loving and caring home, they are some of the most supporting docile animals I’ve ever been around. Even rescue pitties who have had horrible lives usually end up as proper babysitters without any substantial correction.
That said, a 50lb PB can hold on to a rope, be lifted off the ground and swung in circles without even breaking a sweat. Bite strength and passive muscle structure on those dogs are AMAZING. So if someone does make a PB decide they need to eat someone, they’re dangerous AF. But you really have to work hard to make them that way.
People calling for the culling of all pit bulls would be hypocritical if they don’t also call for the culling of all German Shepherds. It’s a difference in attack rate of 21% for pit bulls and 18% for German shepherds so pretty close in “danger” (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
I doubt they would though as I believe most just have a bias against pitties.
German shepherds shouldn’t be bred at all. They have genetic defects that make them suspect to certain illnesses, such as hip defects. Don’t buy them. They will suffer and you will have an expensive vet bill.
Same exact thing can be said for golden retrievers and labradors. Honestly, most bred for purpose/ pure bred dogs.
Generations of inbreeding will do that to most mammals.
One of the healthiest dogs you can own is a mutt—ancillary (and anecdotal), but I found my cat in a dumpster as a kitten. She’ll be 10 in April and is still as feisty as when I found her.
It’s kinda shocking to see pictures of pre-1980 German Shepards next to modern ones. What the hell happened to their hips?
Humans happened. Show dogs, bred in certain characteristics that we thought made the breed.
There’s a great documentary from many years ago on how messed up show dogs are.
Legal measures against pitbulls often are rooted in redline type bills to continue to create laws that punish particular races or ethnicities.
Pit Bulls were and are often used for underground dog fights, and thus became associated with gangs and inner-city crime. That’s a ridiculously small portion of pit bull owners, but laws about pit bulls give one more tool for cops to over-police black and hispanic neighborhoods in particular.
I don’t really have an opinion on pit bulls, I’ve owned dogs, wolves and many animals and I do believe different breeds have different personalities and genetic influences, it would be ridiculous to deny it because WE MADE THEM THIS WAY, so yes, pitties and german shepherds and many others can easily be raised wrong and come out dangerous compared to say, golden retrievers or other “gentle” breeds that are going to be a lot more passive even when raised wrong. These are preconditions, they are influences. But the problem is with lack of education about how to raise animals, puppy mills and overbreeding, poor training, and the handful of irresponsible and abusive owners who fuck up everything for the rest of us.
I hate it here.
edit: not sorry at all if reasonable and nuanced facts make you angry for some reason. That’s a skill issue. Learn more. Go outside, meet people, make some friends. This is an oddly triggering issue to some people, you need to learn to breath and think. I don’t care how sweet your dog is or if you got bit once, if you have deeply emotional opinions on this in either direction, congratulations, you’re being manipulated.
Shitty people raise shitty dogs. Other shitty people see this and want a dog that “looks badass” and proceed to raise more shitty dogs. Of course, nobody will step forward and tell you that they raised a shitty dog, so you really can’t properly study this in a large group experiment.
As someone whos dog got killed by a pitbull and i got injured trying to save her a very pleasant you can suck my big sweaty cock to all pitbull owners. Without a license and training you shouldnt be able to own a dog that is meant for killing. Ever since that every time i see a big dog the first thing i think of is if it attacks me how can i kill that fucker. So yeah i dont give a fuck and even before that happened i supported the ban of those dogs because multiple times ive heard from distant family and friends horror stories about attacks. I know a girl who was 8 when she was attacked and she needed plastic surgery all over her thigh and face after an attack and my sister and mom(whos thankfully a doctor so she could help before the ambulance arrived) were there to witness it. I dont think you wanting to own a big dog is a reason to endager others health and lives. Anyone supporting the right to own one of those killing machines is off the rails. They are literally bread to kill.
People anthropomorphize dogs too much. If anyone has seen a working dog do their job as a puppy with 0 training they might reconsider the dogs that were bred to fight.
My dog was also attacked by a pitbull at a dog park. My dog would have died if the pitbull bit just a little bit further in, its jaws were clamped onto my dogs neck skin. It took two full grown men and me gouging its eyes for about 2 minutes before it would release. My dog’s transgression to provoke the other dog? Smelling its butt one time.
Mine didnt even go close to it. The other dog wasnt on a leash properly and it escaped and in a mstter of seconds a nice little walk in the park with my mom turned into me(95kg and work out 5 times a week) trying to get the dog off ours. I was soaked in blood that i didnt even know where it came from because my hands and arms were bleeding but my dog was also bleeding because the fucker broke her thigh bone and ripped a bunch of veins. Which dog did they put down? Of course mine because they said the surgery would be risky so its much better for her to just go. Do think me and my mom have no trauma after that? Also we asked the other woman walking the dog to give her number and she gave us a fake one and we never found her even tho we lived in a small town so we can live the really nice bit of knowledge that that disgrace of an animal is still living in this world and can attack another dog or even person any time because the owner could be distracted.
I know a woman (60+) who has a lifelong fear of dogs from being attacked and scarred as a child by one of these. Furthermore as a cat enjoyer, I posit that all dogs can kill my little buddies and even though we’ve coexisted as species for half a million years (didn’t look it up) I think it’s time for a doggy genocide too, I’m with you! In fact most animals are dangerous, racoons often carry rabies and can kill people becauase of that. And now that I’m thinking about it people kill each other more frequently than any of the above, I think the only responsible thing to do really is to extinguish all life on the planet, that way nothing can be dangerous anymore!
It’s not like a small cannister of OC spray is enough to deter even a hungry violent stray or anything, much better to genocide entire species off the face of the earth.
You know that there are breeds specifically bred to kill? Is that natural? You also know that owning a dog is not natural then and then nobody should own them? Also when it comes to animals in nature youre the one who choses where you live. If you dont like em you can move to a city. Thats why i think its stupid when they kill wild animals in their natural habitat to make places safer. But when a person owns a fucking dog meant to kill thats a tad bit different eouldnt you agree? And i didnt say we should kill them, you should need a permit and proper training to own one of them. Well, good luck to you picking berries and hunting animals with spears because thats what we did half a million years ago(didnt look it up).
Its not like properly having your dog on a leash would prevent it from killing another dog and almost biting my hand off.
Lmao.
The Venn diagram of people who own pit bulls and people that own lifted trucks that they can’t drive is almost a circle.
I think its a pretty vicious cycle.
- Assholes think big dog is cool.
- Assholes raise asshole dog.
- Dog becomes known as dangerous and even more popular with assholes while people who would make good owners now steer clear.
- Repeat.
No it isn’t
Those of us who have adopted and loved pitbulls for their entire doggie lives know that pitties aren’t inherently violent. People who have been victimized as a result of people’s mistreatment of these very powerful dogs don’t know that.
Liberal Portland, Oregon is filled with pitbulls, but it is not filled with lifted trucks. The city is just aware of how great they can be when you don’t abuse them into being bad citizens.
My pit died last year at old age from cancer. He was a sweetie who never did anything violent. We have a puppy now (corgi mix, hilarious clown of a dog), but I still miss my lunkhead every day. There’s something different about them and the way they need to cuddle at every moment of the day.
I was raised with a pitbull and I have been around a lot in my life. I will have to respectfully disagree with you. They are inherently unpredictable. I know of at least twelve people with facial scars from pitbulls. You really cannot compare them with any other breed.
Having said that our pitbull was an amazing dog any never hurt another human or animal except for other dogs. For whatever reason our much loved family members would snap around other dogs for no definable reason regardless of being socialized with other dogs frequently.
I remember we got a litter of kittens and our pitbull took care of them like it was their own. One kitten would climb up on their head and our pitbull would hold perfectly still while the kitten slept on its head.
As a gun owner the idea that people are ok with pitbulls but have a problem with me pisses me off. For anything bad to happen with a gun requires human agency. I actually have the capacity to know I’m not going to harm an innocent person today. But a pitbull, their owners are openly playing a lottery. Every time you walk out side with it its like me muzzle sweeping everyone in my community with my finger on a trigger saying “I’ve done it lots of times and nothing bad has happened. It didn’t hurt you this time so mind your own business. My choices don’t effect you. It’s not my fault if your kids are scared of me pointing my gun around. My kids aren’t going to get hurt in my home if I practice poor gun safety. See, they love playing with it. That’s proof it’s kid friendly”
As dangerous as a gun and with less certain human control over it is not acceptable. I’ll straight up say it. I feel as uncomfortable around a pitbull owner as someone mishandling a gun. And in the gun world if someone is willfully and blazenly mishandling a firearm to the point of endangering people you have a license to shoot them if they aren’t responsive to someone telling them to stop (non-lethally ideally).
I don’t know about licenses but if you own a pitbull people should openly tell you you are the asshole that you are.
And in the gun world if someone is willfully and blazenly mishandling a firearm to the point of endangering people you have a license to shoot them if they aren’t responsive to someone telling them to stop (non-lethally ideally).
Dude, nuh uh. You’re gonna go to prison for this shit one day, have fun in court!
Btw, https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/are-pitbulls-dangerous/
It’s a fact: any dog can become unpredictable depending on unique circumstances, and ‘some’ dogs inflict serious and even deadly damage. One camp would like to see pit bull breeds euthanized and illegal to own. Others, including experts, suggest that pit bulls are no more or no less unpredictable. (Than other dogs).
Second side note, tip from ex-pizza guy, carry mace. It’s 2x important for you as a gun owner as an intermediary between words and bullets for nondeadly threats, unless you like entangled fights for the gun to see who shoots who first, but also it works wonders against dogs. There, now that you’re protected genocide becomes unnecessary and you don’t have to go door to door shooting dogs in the street in front of children who love them and stuff.
While im against guns, pitbulls are literally probably more dangerous than guns when “used accidentally”. Its no mistake that both my dog and the kid that got attacked got bit on the face and thigh as pitbulls always go for the kill. If you accidentally discharge a gun it has a chance of hitting a vital point and a chance of missing and a chance of hitting a less vital point of your body. If youre alone and an average person a pitbulls gonna kill you. If your alone with a gun it doesnt do anything.
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Uh yeah, you’re off by a factor of about 50-fold.
This is just fatalities and not counting permanently disfiguring injuries of which there are a ton more. Pitbulls account for the vast majority of these serious injuries and fatalities despite being only 6% of the dog population.
Well, she’s a bad owner for not taking into account the specific needs of her apex predator; like a lot of physical activity and access to a fresh Weyland-Yutani crew on a regular basis.
Yep. Exercise, discipline, then affection. In that order.
The white trash potato caricature is hilarious. Pit bulls are a dangerous breed. They were selectively bred by humans for their aggression, unpredictability, jaw strength, overall strength, pain tolerance, etc.
I live in a poor area that is full of these dogs. The issue is exacerbated so much by people with nothing to their name so they need a status symbol to appear tough. It’s really sad.
Do you think those people who feel the need to have a certain type of dog to look tough might also treat that dog a certain way to make it aggressive?
To piggyback, there’s a reason these animals are referred to as “the nursery dog” too. Pit bulls are incredibly sweet and protective. They will take care of your children as long as you treat them right
True but also not true. Pitbulls are a very deceiving risk. With a properly trained pitbull and owner the pitbull is unlikely to cause an injury, however if it does the injury is critical or lethal. Low chance, high impact. There are tons of stories about children being killed by their pitbull because today was the unlucky day that part of the pitbulls brain triggered and they went for the kill. It’s irresponsible to own a pitbull if you have small children. Pitbulls are great, although they’re a very challan dog to own which requires a diligent owner.
Until they snap and will attack your children out of the blue. So many stories of good owners with well behaving pit bulls that attack their owners.
No one is going to admit they regularly beat their dog after the dog snaps. Blame it on the dog, put the dog down and the responsibilty dies with it.
So many? Like, a statistically significant amount that would show in an unbiased study, or just anecdotal accounts from social media?
Someone already posted this: https://lemmy.world/comment/15228347
Ah, yes, the same chart from DogsBite.org that all the anti-pit-bull types pass around like highschoolers passing around a particularly juicy note. The website with an incredibly obvious and documented bias against pit bulls. Surely I can trust their spin on things over the multitude of studies that conclude that breed isn’t a reliable predictor of aggression.
I have no real comment on the aggressiveness of pitbulls. I have a dog we think is a dalmatian/pitbull mix and she’s terrified of pretty much any humans other than us and a handful of others (she is especially afraid of men), which might look like aggression from a distance, but she would run away the second they got closer to her.
On the other hand, she’s a serial killer of small animals and she recently got in a fight with our other dog (she’s 11 and grumpy and in pain from bad arthritis) and tore his ear. So she certainly can be aggressive.
On the other other hand, we used to have a roommate with a purebred dalmation and she was super aggressive.
So is the aggression she does show because of the pitbull part of the mix? The dalmatian part? Is it just her? I have no idea.
I do know I found a dog at the shelter who needed a loving home and I gave it to her. Which is the only way anyone should get a dog at this point.
Dalmatian are usually way more aggressive than pits.They’re a lot more rare than pits, so the statistics wouldn’t show that, but I’ve been in the dog grooming industry for almost 4 years and Dalmatian are WAY more likely to be crazy.
It’s never been about the breed, some people just shouldn’t have dogs.
Is it scarier when a pitbull snaps, than when a Chihuahua snaps? Absolutely! But if your dog snaps at people and other dogs, it doesn’t matter what breed it is, if you aren’t willing to train them to not snap, you’re a bad dog owner!
This thread is full of racist people who think it’s okay to be openly racist when it’s not about humans. If your dog was killed by a pit and you blame the dog instead of the owner, guess what? You’re an idiot and you were probably a bad dog owner too. Some people get lucky and don’t have to do anything for their dog to behave, but that doesn’t mean they’re good owners.
I always get confused for a few moments when I see these dog breed/ghetto hatred comments, but then I realize it’s just steeped in closeted racism/classism. It’s really sad.
edit: should check out @moonpiedumplings@programming.dev’s comment here. Basically has done the work and narrates what someone actually researching and looking at studies would find if you do it correctly.
Lol this reads like a Joe cappa short
I’m an owner of a rescue dog with behavioral problems, and I am fortunate to say that the only person my dog has ever bitten after I adopter her is me. It takes a lot of work and effort, and I am absolutely certain she would bite other people under the right circumstances. Problem is, most dog owners are not like me.
Granted my rescue dog is a small Chihuahua mix, so at worse, she might break skin on your finger or heels and leave a small scar.
Very different circumstances than if she were a big dog.
If we did domesticate xenomorphs, we’d have to make artificial “hosts” for the facehuggers to implant an egg in. Since the xenos apparently incorporate some DNA from the host, we could even make custom ones!
Alien 3 already has one that came from an ox (or dog depending on which cut of the movie) so at least it doesn’t need to be from people. Honestly aside from that they don’t really get into the interesting DNA combination stuff too much. Could be cool for one that’s like a breed of dog all specialized and whatnot.
Now I’m curious if a Chihuahua alien would be more aggressive than a regular Chihuahua or not
Hopefully we could just grow a fleshy blob that serves to incubate them rather than making living creatures go through that!
I’d like to see a cat xenomorph. It will knock things off of high places, hide in boxes, and ignore you when you call it.
You would crossbreed a perfect killing machine with a xenomorph ? Madness
We have those, they’re called sphinxes.
A Chihuahua alien would tremble, constantly, make quick jabs at its’ victims then momentarily retreat before going in for another jab. All while barking incessantly.
Now I’m hopeful AI can help provide us with a Chihuahua edition of all the movies.
My headcanon (in which only the first two Alien movies count) is that Xenomorph queens normally aren’t much bigger than regular Xenomorphs, but the one in Aliens was huge because she incubated inside the Space Jockey.
would the smaller queen lay smaller eggs and thus smaller face huggers though?
That’s how I see pitbull owners
Congrats you cracked the joke!
I’m not an owner I’m but someone with a lot of friends that own pitbulls. Pitbulls aren’t some magically special, dangerous breed that is prone to random acts of violence.
They literally are.
Saying this as someone who had a Pitbull growing up who was very sweet. They are naturally prone to violence and very capable of it.
Even if they were psychologically identical to every other dog, they still have bodies that were specifically engineered to fuck up human beings. When a lap dog freaks out, you get a boo boo. If that lap dog had a pit bull’s body, you might be dead.
Sorry you feel personally attacked when someone says pitbulls are dangerous.
Even if they were psychologically identical to every other dog
That’s literally my point - they basically are. I won’t argue that pitbulls are more capable of harming someone due to their physical characteristics. That’s just physics.
Horses are also large, powerful animals and they cause at least a few deaths every year by trampling or kicking humans when provoked, spooked, startled, or whatever - I’m not really a horse person. Obviously, large powerful animals can absolutely cause more damage than lap-sized animals. That doesn’t mean they are the equivalent of a monster from a horror movie that could rip someone to shreds at any moment with no provocation. Not does it mean that anyone who owns one is an irresponsible, naive threat to society.
If you are a responsible owner, the dog or horse isn’t an unreasonable danger.
Sorry you feel personally attacked when someone says pitbulls are dangerous.
I don’t feel personally attacked, but many other people feel personally attacked when someone questions their opinion on pitbulls. I just feel bad for the animals.
I freaking know that’s your point, that’s why I granted it. WTF?
If you are a responsible owner…
That’s a total non-starter with me. If one were a responsible custodian and guardian of animals, one wouldn’t have a pet in the first place. Pet ownership (ie ownership of an intelligent individual for the purpose of companionship) is inherently selfish and self-deluded, and whether you agree with that or not, pet owners cannot be expected to be responsible.
When we want to allow people to perform activities that are potentially harmful to other humans if they are not done responsibly, WE LICENSE THOSE ACTIVITIES.
Pet ownership is inherently selfish and self-deluded,
I can see that perspective and I don’t totally disagree. Dogs and cats (which are devastating to local ecosystems), seeming to be explicitly domesticated animals with no place in the wild, are potential special cases. The only alternative in my mind would be to neuter/spay the lot of them and that seems just as fucked up as owning them… so that’s honestly not really something I care to get into. I haven’t spent much time thinking about that topic.
pet owners cannot be expected to be responsible.
That’s a statement with insanely broad implications. Replace pet owners with “gun owners” or “drivers of cars” or “airline pilots”. It’s a subset of people that are not so special that they cannot be made responsible. Anyone with the capacity to understand and who is of sound mind can be expected to be responsible if society holds them to that standard.
Unless your point is to reiterate your objection to having a pet being irresponsible, in which case… ok.
WE LICENSE THOSE ACTIVITIES
Honestly, I’d be perfectly fine with more strict licensing of pets. Technically, my region does license dogs but it’s more of a system to make sure you vaccinate them and a fee to help fund pet-related efforts like animal and rabies control.
My only concern is that the licensing body needs to be robust and funded well enough to not pass an unreasonable cost onto applicants… which I feel applies to pretty much any licensing system.
Two of my friends that ended up with rescues that were mostly pitbull had to go through a whole process with several visits and interviews and a follow up some time after the rescue was placed in their custody. That was the rescue agency though not a licensing body.
Yes they are. Pitbulls are unpredictable, reactive, and strong compared to other breeds. They were selectively bred for those traits. They have to be muzzled and registered in my neighborhood.
Ah yes, I see. You have made assertions that align with the typical narrative and stereotype around a breed of dogs, then demonstrated the assertion’s validity by stating it is a belief held in your neighborhood.
I have completely changed my mind and will now ignore all of my own experiences and knowledge on the topic because a random person asserted a stereotype and stated that people believe and act on a stereotype. I guess that’s it. Debate over.
You’re a big wobbly one huh?
Do any of them meet the classic stereotype when it comes to like licking infants’ faces n stuff? No offense to your buddies of course!
The trope would be something like:
MY loving family pet (ADescendantOfWolvesWithABiteForceOf230PoundsPerSquareInch) would never hurt a fly
(Of course it’s just a different risk tolerance like we all have with all kinds of things)
None of them have kids, but I’ve spent a lot of time around my friends and their dogs. They are just dogs. Many of them are extremely affectionate. When I was a kid my family had a German Shepherd with showdog lineage and my mother had a lifetime of experience of owning and training dogs. Our shepherd exhibited substantially more aggression than any of my friends’ pitbulls.
Yes, big, strong dogs can do more harm than smaller dogs and pitbulls can be big and strong. That does make them capable of being more dangerous if something goes wrong. I can’t argue with that. However, the mentality is that pitbulls are inherently violent or behave violently by natur is what I call bullshit on.
Pitbulls are regarded as dangerous and vicious. They are also abused and subjected to fighting by their owners because that is their reputation. It’s so fucked up. Then, bad owners want a scary dog, treat it poorly, don’t train it and when it acts like any mistreated, traumatized animal would the world declares it inherently violent. There is such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy.
Hell, one friend has a pit mix that is like < 30 lbs, full grown. I’ve never seen it do anything any other dog wouldn’t do. Still, he’s extremely careful with it because of the prejudice people have against the breed. Once I was hiking with him and another man with his own dog crossed our path. My friend stepped off the path and kept the dog seated and on a short leash in an attempt to reassure the guy well before he got close to us. The guy immediately asked my friend if his dog was a pitbull and berated him as he passed, furious that my friend would be irresponsible enough to own a pitbull.
Many of the people in this thread remind me of that man.
Another story. One of my coworkers paid thousands of dollars in vet bills for their neighbor in order to stop them from trying to get my coworkers dog put down (and it wasn’t one of those “scary” breeds). All because the neighbors small, aggressive dog charged the bigger dog. In its attempt to get away, the bigger dog scrambled and accidentally stepped on the smaller dog and injured it. A poorly trained, off leash small dog almost cost a perfectly average dog it’s life because the owners didn’t bother to restrain it… but the bad owners made out in the end.
One last story. I was hiking with the tankiest, strongest pitbull of all the ones I know. This guy doesn’t want anything to do with other dogs. It’s not aggressive - it’s frightened. We came across another hiker with their dog… the hiker said his dog was friendly and my friend immediately stated that their dog wasn’t interested in making new friends. The hiker ignored the statement and let go of their dog’s leash, letting the dog rush the pitbull tank barking and running circles around it. The pitbull panicked and couldn’t get away and my friend had to try to keep the other dog away from the pitbull for the pitbull’s sake. No harm was done beyond a poor, stressed out pitbull and a pissed off friend.
Should pitbulls exist? I’m indifferent, especially when it comes to purebreds. That doesn’t mean that I want them exterminated or left to rot in shelters. Just let dogs be dogs. Try to make sure puppies come out healthy and worry less about whether they look the way you want them to.
If they aren’t special why do large pet groomers like Petsmart ban them? Seems like a lot of lost money.
Please tell me you see the fallacy here. “If they aren’t dangerous why are some people scared of them” has been used to hurt way too many people for you not to see the fallacy.
Happiness is a warm
gunface hug!You gotta get em fixed, and pure titanium chain is only thing that will hold em, not a good breed for apartments.
Just make sure not to have two of them together or one of them will kill the other just to melt the chains with its acid blood.
I think they’ve deliberately used their own blood before?
Be sure to clip their tail spike.
In alien ressurecrion they kill one of their own to melt their way out of their cage
Shoutout to their cousins, the head crab and the flood <3
I’ll have you know that Lamar has been de-beaked and will only cuddle with your head.
Dude, my pet flood would never…! Jenkins is just the sweetest!
Face cuddles!
Has anyone here played Aliens: The Dark Descent ?
?!
Answer the question.
I thought he was talking about amnesia the dark descent and the alien game combined, had no clue that game was a thing.
I would be curious how the “owner” doesn’t get attacked, didn’t know xenomorphs could be “friendly”
So you did not watch the movies?
I watched alien and aliens, nothing about it seeing humans as anything more than a target.
In Aliens 3, the xenomorph can tell Ripley’s been impregnated and backs off.
ETA: fuckin’ spoiler alert, i guess?
In Alien 4 or whatever the hybridized xenomorph sees Ripley as its momma.
not sure I like the cartoon with the rape alien attached to a little girl.
I think you’re going to deep on the subtext here but that kid IS dead or will be dead so…
it’s not really subtext. Alien is a movie that is explicitly about rape and unwanted pregnancy, and seeing that imagery deployed flippantly on a cartoon child is squicky.
