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Because we are tired of arguing nuance, while out enemied threaten to literally exterminate us. At this point, any straying from the left is a profound moral failing. It’s usually some kind if bigotry, or support of unscientific ideas.
You must be on some weird ass instance. I see tons of reasonable anger at democrats and Republicans alike. I don’t see upvotes for baseless tribal click bait like this tho
Nah, post something to /c/memes saying the US is a fascist nation and has been so for decades, it’s upvotes galore.
Imply the democrats have anything to do with it, and suddenly what’s the time in Moscow, how does Xi’s dick taste like, yadda yadda
Oof sounds bad
Everyone here that defends democrats knows they’re not the best people.
Still immensely better than the alternative.
Classic failed thought, that. We are seeing the results of the Dems’ hard work right now, my friend.
Yup, cause democrats made sure to bring Zelensky in front of the media to just yell at him and renounce our support to save lives.
Genocidal fascists are indeed “not the best people”
Fuck both sides of the shitbird
Umm… Even us on .world agree that Dems are controlled opposition and useless if we want any actual change.
Not on the .world I’ve seen
Can you criticize Israel here or is it full of pro genecide bots trying to run a narrative?
You can indeed. This isn’t .world.
You can on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net
What the hell kind of answer is that? Are you saying that only the pro-Russia instances allow you to call out the genocide?
Speaking against Israel’s campaign should never be disallowed (AFAIC, should be encouraged), but not as a fake pro-Trump talking point. We see how that turned out for Gaza.
We see how that turned out for Gaza.
Better than under the Democrats, so far. But let me guess, you were denying the severity of the genocide when it was the Democrats doing it.
This place is pretty far left dude lol. You wont find anyone pro israel here.
I’ts possible to acknowledge that Democrats Suck while simultaneously acknowledging that electing one was the only chance to avoid a Trump presidency.
You know, you say that, but in my experience, virtually none of the people advocate for voting blue were actually willing to fully acknowledge how evil the Democrats are. Almost all of them inevitably fall into apologia and denialism.
evil is sitting in the white house right now
This thread kind of disproved itself
Well everybody already knows that. Like… The power dynamics of “vote lesser evil, vote for minority candidate, vote for a compromising pseudo-progressive party because it’s still something, abstain and stay pure, better face true fascists than traitors, etc.” has been around since representative regimes emerged. Yet everyone has to find his/her political and moral stance in this shitshow. And answers will differ, sometimes for legitimate reasons, sometimes because of total bs. That’s all there is to it and it’s not exactly news.
As a trans person i am currently eating shit for breakfast every day to protect myself, my friends, and humanity. Lesser evil is starting to look like “not being murdered” sometimes
I mean, i usually get modest upvotes when i talk about this sort of thing. I believe if we actually want to stop this fall into authoritarianism, our first step is to take control of the Democratic Party. How do you do that? Don’t vote for Neo liberals and ignore everyone who cries that unless you vote blue no matter who the republicans will win. That obviously doesn’t work, and democrats work against leftist policies. They whole time leading up to the election it was all “now is not the time” well i played their game and lost. Now it’s time.
The only instance I’ve noticed that on is midwest.social.
Join us on hexbear and lemmygrad
Running a feckless campaign that refused to break with Biden’s admin on genocide is why we got this living hell. And running the most unlikeable woman in the country in 2016 is what made 2024 even a possibility.
Dems have fucked up terribly.
You’re absolutely right
That about sums it up.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
But fuck me, I’d love to vote for something else. And I’ll be honest, I have no idea how we get anything better.
I hear people saying to organize, but I can’t even imagine what that takes. I wonder if most Americans feel as helpless as I do in the face of this absolute bullshit.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets. They have completely given up their agency and just accept this impotent logic of “we’ll take whatever the most obvious/most apparently easy option is, that isn’t a Republican”. It’s a cyclical problem, the voters don’t care enough to force politicians to be good, and the politicians don’t care enough to court voters.
The hard fact is that what the population votes for is what the population gets.
It really isn’t, study after study has shown that popularity has basically no effect on policy.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say “you get what you fight for, and if you don’t fight you get what you get.”
I… haven’t really fought for anything. I believed the right things. I voted as best I could. But that clearly didn’t stop this.
I want to protect my ego and say I’m not a coward. Is there a distinction to be made between cowardice and simply not knowing what to do? I don’t know. I just know I’m trying my best, but maybe that’s just not enough.
At the same time, “what the population votes for is what the population gets” ignores that we are often only presented with crappy options to start with.
It does not ignore that, rather it explicitly takes that into account.
The caveat to my statement would ONLY be “so long as we’re using this system.”
Please focus more on accurate logic.
I’ll vote Democrat as long as the alternative is fascism.
Unfortunately, much of what the Democrats represent is fascism.
Depends on what you mean by “much”? I’d argue the Democrats, on the whole, are liberals, not fascists.
I’d certainly prefer progressives and leftists though.
The support for Israel whole they genocide Palestine, thought… ugh. That can certainly be viewed as fascism, although where you draw the distinction between fascism and imperialism is up for debate. Not that imperialism is good either, just saying.
Liberals are the only people in history to vote for fascists to prevent class solidarity, and they’ve done it every time.
If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.
The problem with American democracy is the voting system. A party that isn’t either thre democrats or the republicans will never win because people know if they vote for anything else there vote will be pointless.
America needs preferential voting but will never implement it because it would mean the two party system will be demolished (which is in neither of the two party’s best interest.)
A lot of western countries have preferential voting, and, while it helps a little, it’s very much not a silver bullet. Just look at Australia or Germany.
It’s not just that. It’s that politicians get to pick the voters through voter purges,gerrymandering, I’d requirements etc.
I’ll keep saying it, the DNC is a sunk cost. You will keep trying to get them to stand up for you; get them to care; get them to fight. They will keep taking your energy; taking your money; and taking your vote and do nothing with it.
Big donors have recognized it. It’s time for the people to recognize it too. That means you.
The Democratic Party as a whole is like milk in your fridge that’s a week past its “best by” date.
The Republican Party is milk that a dog vomited on a Texas in July sidewalk.
We’re drinking one of them, because no alternative is possible in the near term.
It’s possible to vote for Democrats in 2026 and '28 and '30 and '32 while we build an alternative that can have electoral success, or takeover the Democratic Party from within or heck turn the Republican Party into a party worth supporting…
I cannot tell you how sick of these pithy little infantalising pseudo-analogies I am.
No, genocide is not like “milk that is past it’s expectation date”. Talk like a damn adult.
Yeah. Drop another adult word to prove how strong you are!
If all the milk in my fridge is spoiled, I throw it out. Maybe try that?
Here you go. This is an option. There is historical precedent. The tea party, to name one example.
Aye, we need a new system.
Great. Now you’re dying of thirst and the only milk left is the dog throw up vomit.
You can’t game the system by just saying you would do it better. That’s not how it works.
How can anyone read this childish nonsense and still think liberals are serious people?
Anyone here is allowed to start doing something more beside writing snarky comments. If someone wants to step up, great I’ll follow
But nobody here is doing shit. And us being fractured cause them to have more power
Yall couldn’t let good enough be. You needed perfect. And now it’s fucked.
Again
Someone here do anything besides write a comment
Until then drink your fucking week old milk
Yall couldn’t let good enough be.
Genocide supporting monster. You should be forced to drink dog vomit.
Just because you’re an overgrown child who sees everything through primary school metaphors doesn’t mean other people aren’t doing things, by the way.
Nope. You let a man win who will kill more people.
You’re a bad person
You let a man win who will kill more people.
Fucking deranged that you Nazi fucks care more about deaths that haven’t actually happened then the ones that have.
So keeping with your analogy, you’re going against ever bit of legitimate survival advice from every single person that has any knowledge on survival, and you think you’re still making the right choice?
In any situation where clean water isn’t an option you still don’t drink things that will sicken you.
You can work to purify whatever liquid you have (which can be the easiest or worst option), you can leave the area and try to find safer sources of water, or you can piss in your own mouth for a while and try to do one of the other two things in the mean time.
Voters like you, however, drink the spoiled milk, diarrhea in your own mouths, while promising if you keep doing it you’ll get around to purifying your own milk laden shits if you just keep funding genocide.
You can’t change a rotted system from within anymore than you can survive on contaminated water. At best you’re making your life so much worse while deluding yourself into thinking you’re doing the right thing.
Ok awesome, you’re across the street yelling saying to drink better milk without actually having any better milk. That doesn’t make the situation any better
More like I’m showing you a 150 year old water purification technique that is proven to work and you’re concerned it might not taste as good and requires too much work so you’ll just keep drinking your own recycled shit and cry that there’s no solutions.
Yeah, you’re showing me a picture of that pure milk as if it’s a choice to drink it.
Unless you can actually give me that pure 150 year refined technique and not just say it can be better, shut up about it. Especially when you demanding the pure milk means we have to throw out the week old milk leaving us only the dog vomit milk.
Genocide supporters like you deserve to drink dog vomit.
Great. You just want people to drink spolied milk and are gloating because they don’t get a meaningful choice. You don’t care if you have to also have the dog vomit as long as no one gets a better choice than the spoiled milk, ever.
No, id much rather everyone on the block have better milk all around. But while you and your neighbors are refusing to drink the week old milk and dying of thirst, I’m over here trying to come up with an actual game plan with my spoiled milk instead of just screaming at others to drink better milk without actually having any source of better milk.
I don’t see your cow anywhere, but yet you act as if one’s going to magically appear cause you want it to.
No, id much rather everyone on the block have better milk all around.
Your positions indicate otherwise.
I’m over here trying to come up with an actual game plan with my spoiled milk
So far it looks like you’re gloating that no one has anything decent to drink.
No, I’m just so fucking tired of neighbors yelling how much better the milk is everywhere else like we don’t fucking know that. And unless you actually have a plan to get better milk, just saying drink better milk and throw that out doesn’t really mean much.
80 million Dem voters (depicted as “crowd of NPCs” meme): “We are voting for Democrats in the near term because there is no other option”
