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It’s an AI pump and dump attempt.
Shame I really liked young Kevin Rose during the TechTV and Revision3 days.
Yeah, that wss disappointing to read. Based off the new Diggnation episodes, I was hoping Kevin would offer something a bit more genuine and authentic–and who knows, maybe it’ll turn out to be incredible–but I’m not keeping my hopes up.
It’s ok to fear that someone else could get rich through trickery.
It’s also ok to have hope that people learn from past mistakes and try to build something good.
AI can generate slop, but it can also understand, categorize, filter, moderate. It can also be slow to adapt to new attacks, or be analyzed and manipulated.
I can’t offer much help to people who need to decide right now if it’s good or bad. Predicting the future is a messy thing. But I choose to be cautiously optimistic.
Wow, I can’t believe this post has gotten so many down votes. It’s such a reasonable statement.
Probably the only thing in the whole post I could disagree with here is the word “understand”
AI can generate slop, but it can also understand, categorize, filter, moderate. It can also be slow to adapt to new attacks, or be analyzed and manipulated.
I don’t think hope or fear, or someone getting rich or poor is really relevant in this case.
They first say:
Rose and Ohanian have now joined forces to “revive” the platform with a “fresh vision to restore the spirit of discovery and genuine community that made the early web a fun and exciting place to be,”
But then they go on to say:
So why now? It’s a combination of reasons, according to Rose, who says that the existing social media landscape has become toxic, messy, and riddled with misinformation — and AI is well-placed to address that. Just the “out of the box stuff,” is “insane,” Rose observes, noting there are “Google endpoints already where I don’t even have to mess with a model at all, where I can get sub 200 millisecond response times on any comment under about 300 characters and rated across 20 plus different vectors of of sentiment, so violence, toxicity, hate speech — you name it. Like, that just wasn’t possible five years ago.”
More broadly, says, Rose, “We’re at this other inflection point around AI and what it can do. And when you think about these big shifts, they require you to go and step back and revisit first principles and think about how you might change [a business] from the ground up, and that’s what Alexis and I and Justin [Mezzell],” who is a longtime collaborator of Rose and now Digg’s CEO, will be doing, he said.
It’s pretty clear that they are looking to build an AI enhanced social network, so why bring up “the spirit of discovery and genuine community?” That is not their goal, their goal is to leverage AI; without it, they would have never undertaken this initiative. No AI, no social network.
I will point out that I never mentioned anything about the utility of AI. It’s a tool, what comes out of it depends on how it is used.
I also don’t see on what basis one should assume a bunch of vapid techbro ghouls would be interested in building “something good”. Their goals revolve around scalability, unit economics and exit plans. If that’s not the case, surely they must have started a non-profit entity and/or implemented independent governance measures that would include stakeholders beyond themselves and investors.
Am I being unreasonable here?
Is moderation difficult? What makes it difficult?
What happens to the “spirit of discovery and genuine community” when moderation fails?
Is moderation difficult? What makes it difficult?
Oh my God, yes… So many things it’s hard to even consider how to answer…
What happens to the “spirit of discovery and genuine community” when moderation fails?
We have the Internet today. Because moderation has broken down everywhere, it has been defeated, engineered around.
For techbro ghouls (remember I mentioned scalability, exit etc.) moderation is “difficult” is because it is a cost centre and it has liability risks (they could in theory have to take responsibility for their actions such a dismissive, callous attitude towards moderation).
When moderation fails, you have situation such as FB contributing to mass killings in Myanmar.
While oligarchs like Zuckerberg feel confident enough on their hold on the system to say things like:
Earlier this week, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg told Vox that his company was well aware that critics say the social media platform has been used to spread misinformation and hate speech in Burma, explaining that this has “gotten a lot of focus inside the company.”
But what does this have to do with my original take on Rose and Ohanian?
Not sure why any developer who isn’t a self-loathing masochist would work for these clowns ever again. Rose was a brittle little bitch who threw his own dev team under the bus when Digg 4 bombed. Somehow I doubt that years of fattening up while marinating in venture capital and crypto wealth have matured that shallow tea-sucking fucker in any meaningful way.
Where we’re really going is, a year, year and a half from now, is when you come to Digg, it’s going to be very much more like the leap that happened to Figma, where it’s free form, it’s dynamic, it’s an interface that is unlike any other that you’ve seen,” says Rose. “It’s not your old-school forums
Umm. Figma’s UI is exactly something people saw before. It’s aggressively based on Sketch’s UI.
Figma blew up because it was free for non-enterprise use, had Invision-style prototyping built-in, it was a more performant than Sketch, and they were adding features faster than Sketch could.
And FigJam is just a Miro / Mural clone. But that is also very performant, and they had some silly features / plugins that made work fun.
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Digg was still around?
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Yea this is gonna go badly…
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I left Digg V2 when it went to shit, to Reddit. Now that the same is happening to Reddit (fuck spez), interested to see what Digg Reboot would be like.
You’re here now. There’s not an ad in sight. Actually people talking to you.
Why do you want to go check out some corpo bullshit?.I am serious. I don’t understand why people want our chat forums to be run by venture capital.
I’m curious as an ex-Digger. Even if it’s corpo bullshit, better to see it first to have an opinion.
What lesson didn’t you learn the first time that you feel like you need to learn again?
It comes down to this, maybe they can improve upon something. They’re talking about building something resistant to political trolling, hate speech, and misinformation. If they can do that, that would be valuable. I’m willing to wait and see.
I’m willing to wait and see, especially because Lemmy has no defense against that kind of thing. I think there’s probably less hate speech and misinformation on Lemmy than reddit right now, but if Lemmy became the dominating service, it would have massive problems, just like reddit.
I like the federation aspect of Lemmy, that feels extremely valuable, I’m not discounting that. But I think not being open to other options or ideas is plain stupid.
AI… AI Everywhere
Based on the first episode of Diggnation reboot, Kevin Rose is just another empty tech bro now (maybe always?). I have zero positive expectations of this new Digg venture and that’s probably optimistic.
Wow, I was confused who it was at first.
Who? Why should we care about them taking over? Is this seen as positive for the platform?
Reddit (and by extension, Lemmy) likely wouldn’t exist without Kevin Rose. He both popularized the concept of user driven link aggregators and royally screwed digg during a big redesign, pushing the users to reddit.
Alexis Ohanian is generally considered a “better” cofounder of reddit (or atleast, not spez). I think the two combining forces to relaunch an OG site is newsworthy.
If it’s a positive, will remain to be seen. I won’t go back to a closed/non-federated platform, personally.
Thank you! I apricot your clear response.
Nor will I and so I would argue this actually isn’t newsworthy here.
I don’t need to hear about anyone getting a bunch of money to cook up a shit stew in case anyone was wondering. You can miss me with that “news.”
Kevin Rose is one of the co-founders of Digg, and Alexis Ohanian is one of the co-founders of Reddit. Considering the “success” of both sites it could be a big deal, but more than likely it’ll just try to pass itself off as a Reddit alternative that’ll eventually go to shit or implement a bunch of AI and crypto bullshit.
meh
The new Diggnation podcasts have been pretty great with that old feel somewhat back. I am holding out hope that this is a good thing and it won’t turn into some crypto bullshit.
If he rebooted his first show The Broken, I would watch every second. It was seriously his best work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNjoo9TuCHY
Edit: it’s not a reboot if he doesn’t bring back hacking with Ramzi.
There’s no reason to expect this to succeed, but I put my name on the list to be notified when it launches. We’ll see, I guess.
Wow those sure are some punchable faces
The only reason I have any hope for this is hoping Alexis Ohanians wife (Serena Williams) has been a good influence on him and making him understand how bad things really are right now.
