I get the sentiment and am on board 100% that Elon Musk is a fucking loser Nazi – but what a condescending note. Whoever wrote this note needs to mind their own business, and maybe take a week away from the internet.
Definitely agree there. I get suggesting alternatives but literally everything they explicitly listed is really pricey. Assuming their tesla is paid off, who’d go another 20 to 30k in debt because of a note?
It would make more sense slap an anti Elon bumper sticker on and keep driving it until either EVs get cheaper or they can afford something different
Whoever made this probably thinks that the currently favored “call them all Nazis” approach is more likely to form/feed persecution complexes.
A simple ‘Swasticar’ sticker, for example, will make the owner feel personally attacked, even though it’s meant to be an attack on Musk and doesn’t really have anything to do with them.
Whoever wrote this wants the value of tesla to crash…
It’s giving chatgpt.
While I agree with the sentiment, if the face-value goal of this note becomes true, this has the same vibe as “Sell it to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?”
I promise you there’s always going to be someone willing to buy one. You’ll possibly just have to drop the price really low. I’d buy a used Tesla for a dollar, for example. If people suspect the price is dropping then hopefully they’ll panic sell, and force the price to drop even faster.
That’s the goal, though. If people start doing this, the value of used Teslas will crater. That will kill sales of new ones. Why buy a new one when you can get a used one dirt cheap? Why buy a new one if you know it will lose all of its value because the used market died?
Unfortunately downward price will come against up the tariff inflation of new trucks and cars (estimated 20%+ increase by dealers) that will happen if Trump unchanges his fucking mind one more time.
I still think annoying but not impossible the remove stickers are the solution. Do that enough times and anyone who hasn’t fallen into the sunk cost fallacy will either be looking to sell, or at least never buy another swasticar.
Still plenty of rubes that support trump. The backlash against tesla actually probably has whole swaths of them looking to buy one to own the libs.
I think that’s a big stretch. The venn diagram of people that buy electric vehicles and those that support Trump barely intersect.
We’re talking gold medalists at mental gymnastics though. My right wing relatives are now retiring their own narratives. They used to say “drill baby drill, EVs are for libs.” now they are saying that Tesla is the only brand for a patriot because the company and factories are in America.
Ask them where all that lithium and aluminum in those teslas comes from.
I would have said the same about crypto a few months ago, but here we are with a presidential shitcoin grift being carried by millions of Trump supporters
I’ve always taken the WSB/Cryptobros Diamond Hands cartoon as a caricature of Trump. AFAIK, cryptobros have been infatuated with Trump since the beginning.
Actually, that’s exactly the point of “act fast” as described in the text.
If you assume that many will sell their cars, you also assume prices will drop. That means, it’s better to sell now, when prices are still somewhat high. It’s the same mechanism as in any stock crash.
I honestly don’t understand what selling it does though. The same amount of teslas are still on the streets. Please help me understand.
It may reduce new sales
If everyone wants to sell and nobody wants to buy, the used price will go down.
If used teslas in good condition are dirt cheap, there’s no point buying a new one.
If nobody wants a new Tesla, there are fewer Teslas entering the streets.
More important for your last point, it hurts Musk’s value. Most of his wealth is in stocks. Make those drop in value and he has less wealth.
The advice isn’t about reducing the number of Teslas. It’s about helping someone get out of owning one. Also, that money doesn’t go to Elon, it goes to the seller, so to some people, they might consider that part a wash.
It’s about helping someone get out of owning one
You realize that if someone sells their Tesla, while they no longer own one, someone else does, right?
The point is crashing the market value of used Teslas, thereby reducing new sales as people will be more incentivized to buy used.
What’s wrong with owning one? Its a car and we can assume the owner has a need for it (obligatory “Fuck cars!”). It’s the buying of one with the knowledge we have now that is the issue.
Edit: I see a few downvotes so I must have said something wrong. What am I still not understanding?
It’s also an overpriced “luxury” vehicle, a terrible one with a boatload of recalls and recurring design issues. How long before we consider owning one to be like owning a Daewoo or Pinto?
We’ve also known what their CEO is about for a while now. Years in fact. And that same CEO is dismantling the US government and killing people with his actions. I think a lot of us see it this way: If someone still owns one, they get to “own” that they own it now.
So like what if you bought it used? That doesn’t profit the manufacturer, and there’s no way you’d be able to tell just looking at it.
I understand the frustration with Musk, but to sell the car someone else has to buy it and then that buyer is going to be bullied. I don’t think the frustration is being focused on the right thing here. Go protest or spend that time calling or writing to your representatives instead.
The working class infighting is not the way.
I agree the infighting is not helpful. I also think that we currently can’t use traditional bargaining and protest tools to effectively punish or otherwise shame those in power into concession. In this case, Musk is an oligarch who owns companies, like Tesla. People are shaming owners of these vehicles and pressuring them to sell because that is a very tangible way to hurt the oligarchs in our country, by hurting their purse. It’s the only thing they care about. It will either help lead towards concession, or ultimately wipe out the power they have. I think this is a form of solidarity, and those who care about that will go out of their way to distance themselves from the oligarchs who oppress us, including when trading or buying within our own class.
As much as you may not be into cars, for a significant amount of people they’re seen as a status symbol and part of someone’s identity. It may match a persons style or lifestyle choice.
If you are seen to be driving one others may believe you side with Elon musk and his radical political shift. You may also disagree with him so much you may not want to daily something that benefits him overall.
Right so an anti Elon sticker should suffice. So now the smart owner is out $1, not thousands.
It may go deeper than that. If I owned a Tesla, driving it around would be, in my mind, free advertising for Tesla and, by extension, Elon.
I have zero interest in throwing him or his company even the most ephemeral of bones, so I would personally find a sticker to be weak protest.
ETA: if you bought a Tesla car before his rapid mental decline into alt-right fascism, that’s one thing. But cybertrucks and new Teslas are after, and owning one is saying at best, “Yeah, he’s a technofacist, but I don’t really care if my money props up his ketamine-fueled destruction of societies.”
This ignores the fact that selling the car does not remove it from the universe. It’d be better to have a liberal with anti Elon stickers driving it than a nazi, don’t you think?
No, I don’t. It’s free advertising for a fascist. Who is driving it doesn’t matter; people should look at every Tesla with derision and treat doing business with his company as taboo. People driving them should feel uncomfortable about their proximity to a fascist.
I would love to crush every Tesla and have the company go bankrupt, but try recommending that to someone in a list of actions. That’s why it’s not included.
Hah. Actually you’ve still lost thousands because no one wants those shitboxes.
Because elon bad all cybertrucks must be defaced and their drivers hung - at least that’s the sentiment I’m seeing around here lately
You do realize what community you’re in, right?
So? I said what I said lmao
Alright. Clearly it bothers you that people don’t like fascists or fascist supporters. Why is that?
That’s an interesting leap in logic for sure
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If enough people try to get rid of their Teslas the Used value will crash and bring the New value even further down.
That was observed when Elon in his brilliance secured the Hertz deal and then slashed new Tesla prices. Leaving Hertz no choice but to dump their inventory.
The sell off from Hertz hurt the used value because it was a large supply of “We just want out, we already lost money on these”
I read it as a funny, polite, “fuck you”. It’s only going to piss someone off who bought a Tesla as a sign of status and is still a fan of Elon Musk. Everyone else will see it either as helpful but misguided or will get the joke.
Previous owners that gave money to Musk can distance themselves from him, while new owners that believe Teslas are good can buy one without giving money to Musk.
I’m in the market for a car and there is an amount of money I would spend for a used Tesla despite the potential for vandalism etc. I don’t think there is an amount of money I’d spend on a new one
Cars are worth what someone is willing to pay. More used cars on the market means lower prices means fewer new cars are purchased. The biggest drop in value on any car (bigotry aside) happens at mile 1 when you drive it off the lot. But manufacturers love scarcity when there is high demand, so some manufacturers explicitly forbid buyers from selling their cars (Tesla and Ferrari are the only ones I know of, but there may be more.) If you want one, you must buy it new, and you better buy it quick because it won’t last. They don’t want buyers leaving the lot and shopping around, they want to create an atmosphere of panic and exclusivity.
Fortunately, they cannot enforce the requirements that you don’t sell your car. What they can do is refuse to sell you another one, which Ferrari is famous for doing. With Tesla, if you’re selling because you don’t want to be associated with Nazis, you’re not going to care if the Nazis won’t sell you another car. Yes, you’re probably selling to another Nazi, but most people cannot afford to simply abandon or scrap a functioning* car on principle. Selling is the next best thing, as it undercuts the aura of scarcity, drives the price down, and reduces the number of new cars sold.
Awesome, I love the approach. 👍🏾
It always warms my heart to see actionable lists.
Even pointless ones that don’t result in fewer of the thing existing? Selling it just means passing off the note to the next person.
It’s never about making them not exist. It’s about destroying the value of the car, so fewer new ones are sold. If the used market is full of like-new versions for significantly lower prices, the number the company can sell will drop dramatically.
Musk’s wealth is largely in stocks. If we can make the value of his companies drop them we directly hurt his wealth. The cars don’t matter. The value of the company matters.
Europe seems to be successfully choosing not to buy more which will be both faster and more effective at reducing the number of Teslas sold and having it leave the market.
Yeah, but you’re selling it to somebody who would buy a Tesla in 2025.
The number of them out there is erroneous. It’s what perceived value they have that matters.
And the value of used cars can drastically affect the value of new cars.
Anyone buying a Tesla now, knows what they’re buying, and what it can imply. Those selling are often selling to avoid the implication that comes with owning a Tesla.
The value doesn’t matter if they are still around. I guess it could reduce future new sales. But if someone has a shitty thing in public and just sells it to someone else who also has it in public the end result is the shitty thing being in public.
Cool, so if the price goes down and now some less well off person who cares more about their necessary affordable transportation can buy an electric car. Do we blame them for choosing a cheap Tesla over taking a voluntary stand against Musk when they aren’t giving money to Musk in the second hand market?
Other than the person who sold the car no longer having that car, what does this solve?
Less money to musk, that’s what this solves. The lower the used market value, the lower the new market value.
Yes the car is still out there… what do we do. Blame everyone who bought a Tesla when they weren’t implications of Nazis? Expect them to literally crush or otherwise remove the Tesla from any use?
Selling them means that more pro musk people have less money. And yes it may be a choice of cheap Tesla with being thought of a Nazi… that’s what happens when you have Nazi shit.
Ideally the price of Tesla gets so low that nobody will buy new and Tesla goes out of business.
Or Tesla and musk somehow separate themselves, and Tesla is no longer a swasticar manufacturer.
I keep seeing this talking point, and I can’t tell if it’s just bad faith propaganda, or if so many people really are this obtuse.
Where did anyone get the idea that selling a car because the head of the company is a Nazi is intended to reduce the number of extant cars? It’s such a specifically stupid argument that I have a hard time believing more than one person came up with it on their own. It’s like if you were debating coke vs pepsi, and suddenly there were hundreds of people chiming in, “Have you tried standing on your head and peeing into your own mouth?” It’s neither intelligent nor relevant in any way. That’s what you sound like. Having one person say it is weird, but seeing multiple comments makes you wonder if you’re not just mindlessly repeating something somebody told you to say.
The meme is suggesting passing the thing along to the next person who will then be the target. Like selling a nazi uniform to someone else who will wear it instead, it wxchanged hands but is atill around.
It is an obvious possible first take, not some mysterious coordinated pooh poohing of a meme.
it’s like if you were debating coke vs pepsi, and suddenly there were hundreds of people chiming in, “Have you tried standing on your head and peeing into your own mouth?” It’s neither intelligent nor relevant in any way. That’s what you sound like.
This both makes zero sense as a comparison and shows you lack reading comprehension skills.
I agree, you’re making zero sense. Nazis didn’t make money selling uniforms. Maybe Hugo Boss did, but that’s not at all analogous to a car.
The point is not to destroy a uniform, the point is to stop driving a Nazi car. If someone wants a Nazi car, they can either buy a new one or buy a used one. If there are more used Nazi cars available, then this drives the price down, reduces the aura of scarcity, and reduces the number of new Nazi cars sold, and thus reduces the amount of money going into Nazi pockets.
That is a massively better response than accusing people of some weird conspiracy and insulting them for not seeing things the same way you do.
I don’t think it actually works that way, and people simply boycotting future purchases seems like a more effective strategy at cutting off Tesla income since that is already working in Europe.
Boycots only work so far as people agree with you. This also includes boycots, but it forces the price down and used volume up so even people who disagree may buy used instead of giving money to Tesla.
Boycots only work so far as people agree with you.
So does writing a letter to someone to pass their swazticar on to someone else.
…no, it results in the seller no longer owning it. That is the only point.
It lowers the value. If plenty of fairly new Teslas can be found fairly cheap, it will disincentivize people who do want a Tesla from buying new. Hopefully takes the stock price down, which is what most of Pres. Musk’s wealth is based on.
If they tank in price I wonder how practical it would be to swap a normal truck body onto one. Wouldn’t mind a cheap EV truck.
If the price goes low enough, just rip out the battery and use it as home solar energy storage.
Turn the cabin into a chicken coop.
$100k chicken coop. I love it.
i mean. wouldnt rebadging it and putting a “fuck elon” bumper sticker be more of a message than selling it to another sucker?
(also ripping out the spyware laden computer system that reports all activity INCLUDING CAMERAS back to hitlerHQ and can remotely disable your car)
On your second point: unfortunately that’s the system that makes the car go
The car is still completely functional without an internet connection. You could just disconnect the cellular antenna and drive perfectly fine forever (just without ever getting software updates, traffic and map updates, and being able to use music apps in the car).
hopefully someone will eventually make an elon-removal retrofit
Ugh that would be amazing but I think the way the car is engineered it is actually impossible.
Unfortunately, it would send a message to folks who do things like storm government buildings and kill cops. I wouldn’t want one of those deranged lunatics coming after me.
I test drove the ioniq 5 and it was the most fun car ive driven. Its like a gocart. :)
I didnt like the design though.
I really like the design but they didn’t have as much headroom as I would like. I’m 6’4" and I ended up getting a model 3. I bought it used, Elon was definitely an asshole at the time but not a nazi yet and I wanted to give him the smallest amount of money possible.
On the flyer in the post the person might want to mention not selling the car back to Tesla because they’ll just try and resell it and make more money.
I’m really hoping I can avoid purchasing another car until I can get my hands on either an Aptera or a Telo. Or if I win the lottery maybe a Lucid or one of those Mercedes with the solid state battery I’ve read about recently.
Were sorry you didn’t sign up for doing any research into your piece of shit car or the idiot asshole that owns it
Polestar is Chinese, since Volvo is Chinese.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Shufu
Technically Volvo (and I assume Polestar) are publicly traded but for a while Geely owned it, which is the same as Tencent owning something, etc. It’s still a swedish company and I think because it’s operated out of Sweden, there isn’t the same pushback in the US.
That said, the note doesn’t seem to understand that all those companies are kind of shitty and owned by rich people, except maybe Hyundai?
So?
They were never cool
Good damn when will the soft language end? When we’re all dead? He’s not a Nazi sympathizer, he’s just a fucking Nazi.
So was Henry ford but this dumb letter is shilling ford
That’s the type of note that I would set fire to and drive away lol.
Imagine telling someone they need to sell their car because of something someone else did.
Y’all are straight up delusional at this point.
And to be clear I think the cybertruck is a fuck ugly piece of shit vehicle that doesn’t do anything very well, but I also don’t think anyone has the right to tell other people what cars they can and cannot drive.
Yeah. I can’t believe people are actually supporting this. How privileged can you be that “bro, just buy a new car” is a sane thing to say?
Yeah, cars are bourgeois as hell. Nobody should ever buy a car. Just use public transit.
Or, if there is no public transit available, just cycle to work! For me it’s only 40 kilometers a day, no problem at all!
You’re very lucky to be able to work 40 kilometers from where you live. Nobody in the history of the world until about a hundred years ago could do something so ostentatious. The way people of 200 years ago would see your life, is the way you and I see billionaires flying across the country on a private jet every day to commute to work.
I know freedom of speech is meaniless in america now… but at one point, you had the right to say anything to someone. Now rather said speech carried conquences, well…
You guys have the right to say whatever you want. It’s the defacing/damaging of property where you guys lose me. If you wanna stand out front of a Tesla store and tell about how shitty the truck is and how much you despise Elon to right ahead. When you nutjobs starts shooting the stores or setting them in fire that’s where you lose me.
We still have freedom of speech and people are still free to ignore you when you yell ridiculous nonsense.
Speaking of nutjobs… good job at putting words in my mouth and showing your bias.
I didn’t put words in your mouth. You literally said “freedom of speech doesn’t mean anything in America anymore”.
And I figured my first comment was pretty clear about where I stand on these things. I am biased against the majority of people on this sub because they are insane.
You guys have the right to say whatever you want. It’s the defacing/damaging of property where you guys lose me. If you wanna stand out front of a Tesla store and tell about how shitty the truck is and how much you despise Elon to right ahead. When you nutjobs starts shooting the stores or setting them in fire that’s where you lose me.
What or who does “you guys” refer to? Pretend english isnt my first language.
…the people of this sub? I thought that was clear from the context of this conversation but I guess not.
And before you give me some bullshit about everyone in the sub not thinking exactly the same I know that. When I say “you guys” I mean the majority of people on the sub. Those people appear to be in support of publicly damaging someone else’s private property through some twisted mental moral gymnastics. I was referring to those people.
The context of this conversation started from OP posting a letter reccommending the CT owner to sell it and avoid the hassle… and then your response:
Imagine telling someone they need to sell their car because of something someone else did.
I responded that people have freedom of speech and that there is nothing was wrong with the picture… you immediately jumped to vandalism, which is out of context from anything being discussed.
