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    13 hours ago

    And right after opressing and killing thousands of peole, while causing some famine on top!

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        Nice of you to completely make shit up. How were the Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians, or many others just trying to live in their own countries “the opressors?” Were they opressing the communists by saying that they shouldn’t burry protesting miners alive? You have exactly zero idea what you are talking about, and it shows.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930–1933

        https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/state-food-crimes/communist-famines/7FA925A2D1AAD0F2D8130A9F2498CC6C

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

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          The 1930s famine was the last major famine out of wartime in the Soviet Union, same with the Great Chinese Famine, in countries where famine was common and regular before. Life expectancy doubled under Socialism in both the USSR and PRC as a consequence in the first few decades.

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            Every single one of those sources shows evidence directly linking communist policies to the famines. They are also widely accepted as communist man-made famines by historians. But once again, its easier to make shit up instead of providing any source. I really didn’t expect lemmy to be already filled with russian trolls and tankies.

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              Famines had been commonplace occurrences in feudal China and Russia, which the communist states brought an end to. And those final famines occurred under post-war conditions, and under disastrous crop seasons that affected neighboring states as well.

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              I really didn’t expect lemmy to be already filled with russian trolls and tankies.

              We’re not trolls, and many of us are socialists. Actual socialists, not “capitalism with a social safety net” like Bernie Sanders or the Nordic countries. I understand if it’s a bit of a shock to leave the echo chamber that is imperial core corporate social media and hear different perspectives for once. Lemmy is “already filled with” socialists because it was created by socialists. You are in our anti-capitalist space.

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              Communist policies played a part because Communists were in power while they happened, and the Communists ended the famine. I never made anything up.

              Lemmy has Marxists, the lead devs are Marxist-Leninists and some of the biggest instances are Marxist-based.

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      Yeah, capitalist Britain, France, and America were terrible in their use of famines and genocides. The problem with capitalism is that eventually you run out of other people’s land and food.

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        As someone who lived through a communist regime, I never know wether I should laugh or cry at children of your kind.

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          Yeah, as someone with Lakota, Irish, Bengali, Kurdish, and Iraqi friends and opiate and meth addicted family, I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at children of your kind. I am sure the 1990s and the introduction of capitalism was a great and prosperous time.

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            You don’t seem to understand that most of the civilised world does not practice american capitalism, and that communism has been proven time and again to not be any alternative to it anyway. It’s always easier to be an ignoramus with a dream I guess.

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              American Capitalism? I invoked multiple genocides and political repressions that weren’t American. I am sure that 1840s Hungarians and Irish, 1930s Bengalis, and 1990s and 2000s Iraqis are glad to know that capitalism isn’t repressive or intentionally creating starvation because the people creating the repression and starvation said that they aren’t. Even though China gave up on most communist ambitions post-Dheng and Cuba has been strangled by American blockades, both have not been nearly as active in war mongering as “Western Nations”, nor as repressive, despite active propaganda about them. And Western repression is much more tied to their economic modes than other nations. You have to kill anti-war protesters (e.g. Kent State) because if not full colonialism, we need neo-colonialism, so pro-Vietnamese protests can’t be tolerated. And we need to support Israel, so “anti-Semitic” a.k.a. anti-Zionist protesters can’t be tolerated and have no rights, because of their ties to the military and arms industry. Such as Mahmoud Khalil, who needs to be disappeared and sent to an undisclosed location to try to push fascist anti-protest, anti-speech laws.

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                China did not abandon Communism, they pivoted from their Left-deviationism that was based in idealism, not materialism. The Gang of Four tried to achieve Communism through Fiat, despite the Productive Forces being far below the level for that to be feasible. They rejected markets out of a miral fetishization of Poverty in an entirely publicly owned economy, rather than for Materialist reasons, so they course corrected to Marxian economics.