Although I have not watched a lot of Hasan videos , I think he is not actually leftist ! He is liberal at best , posing to be leftist ?
He’s hot
He went into Ethan Klein’s podcats, whose audience is mostly liberals and socdems and said, in no uncertain terms that the uighur genocide is a lie. He is good friends with the Deprogram boys, which are open MLs. He regularly criticizes the dems.
There is a lot of criticism to be done about hasan piker, but dismissing him as a liberal feels like the usual “no true leftist” purity test
He went into Ethan Klein’s podcats, whose audience is mostly liberals and socdems and said, in no uncertain terms that the uighur genocide is a lie.
Damn. I don’t think I’d have the guts to do that. When did he do that?
https://www.youtube.com/live/JeUGqefy2TQ?si=Npz3Xq4FsUoYREV6 the relevant part starts at 1:18:00
is there criticism though? like if you dont like his streams you probably are a chud.
yes, there is a lot of legitimate criticism. he might have a couple of good China takes, but he holds a lot of state department propaganda as true— says there is a “cultural genocide” of Uyghurs and propagates the “state capitalist” obfuscation.
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he is also unapologetic abt soliciting prostitution and anyone who calls him out on it, he calls sex work exclusionary. im not gonna entertain a struggle session rn. but think abt this: to have solidarity with sex workers, one must understand that sex work is real labor, and labor under capitalism is coercive, therefore, soliciting sex from a sex worker is coerced sex (i.e. r***). johns are r***ists, to deny this is to deny the material reality of sex work, and insulting to sex workers
Ok but this assumes all sex workers are coerced. Not all of them are.
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And I resent the idea that something is like rape. To me, the key aspect of rape is trauma and nonconsent.
I have plenty of friends that are in sex work and are doing fine and have no trauma. It’s obviously important to ensure people can leave this industry, we need to make sure all sex workers live fulfilling lives, especially considering the increased risk factors of that industry. It’s just as a survivor of rape and someone that has talked to others about this exact issue, I think it’s important to keep an open mind and adapt to what sex workers at large need. Of course, this can only be done with scientific socialism.
This convos isn’t exactly good for me rn so I’d appreciate it if only one person replies to this comment
yes, i understand that some sex workers are not traumatized, but i disagree that there is sometimes no coercion. under capitalism there will always be economic coercion for the underclasses to work, which is what brings people to sex work. im willing to listen to what sex workers need (and i have) and if thats decriminalization of both sides of the transaction im all for that. but johns are horrible and the act of soliciting prostitution is sexual violence
im sorry that my comment reminded you of ur trauma. perhaps my approach isnt the best way to address the problem, no matter how disgusting johns are
yes, i understand that some sex workers are not traumatized, but i disagree that there is sometimes no coercion. under capitalism there will always be economic coercion for the underclasses to work, which is what brings people to sex work. im willing to listen to what sex workers need (and i have) and if thats decriminalization of both sides of the transaction im all for that. but johns are horrible and the act of soliciting prostitution is sexual violence
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Some people come to sex work for the money. I know people that just love having sex and like that it can be a job for them. Thats sort of the point I’m making, for many sex workers its just another job, and potentially one they enjoy. Trauma is an important aspect of what youre describing. Sex is not inherently traumatic, and neither is being paid poorly for your work (while that is a shitty thing to do). What is traumatic is when something happens that you don’t want to happen. If someone has their arm cut off by a machine, that is just as bad as SV because it creates lingering bodily and mental harm. Do you understand what I’m saying? Sex work is a kind of work, if that work brings you trauma, thats when it becomes like you describe. I don’t like these broad statements like ‘all johns inflict sexual violence’ because I don’t believe that is true in the slightest, and I feel like it belittles what sexual violence is.
i understand, sorry for being so obtuse. thank you for explaining. you’re right and i definitely need to rethink my stance on this
could you explain this position on SW to me?
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the two components seem at odds, because usually when people take the solicitors are r***ists line, the prescription is banning it. but almost every mode of support for sex workers i’ve heard of involves the further legalization & formalization of SW. how do you square this?
they’re an actual swerf lol. to them it’s a moral hazard first and foremost, concerns about economic exploitation and liberation are secondary. Ask them if they think porn addiction is real next.
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legalize sex work but have harsher punishments for soliciting prostitution. stop jailing sex workers, instead punish the johns
how can sex workers make a living in the open if their customers have to be underground? wouldn’t this empower brokers to insure a successful transaction, just like under regular prohibition?
how do sex workers have customers now? the only difference would be sex workers would have more power over their clientele. this also lessens the power of brokers bc their occupation would still be illegal, as they are a party to solicitation of sex. full legalization is what would give the brokers more power, as it makes their business legal, elevating them to the proper, legal bourgeoisie— paying wages to sex workers while legally extracting their surplus value
i would argue the way sex workers get customers is at the core of your complaints about sexwork. you’ll still need pimps if the johns need to vet/be vetted to avoid getting arrested, it’s part of the reason they exist now. the other component, safety, is not affected so much by the legal immunity you propose, because everyone involved except the sexworker are committing illegal acts, and so the trade is still secret & incentives to not report/act on abuse remain for those parties—even for the SWs who might still risk their livelihood.
if neither party is committing a crime, the reasons for a broker diminish, or their role more resembles an agent. if a crime is committed any party can call for help, not just the sexworker. for the record i’m advocating decriminalization, not legalization into designated brothels in designated districts
As an avid Hasanabi viewer, I have criticisms of him for sure, but not really regarding his politics. He’s a classic react lord and it bothers me when, while watching a video on stream, he sometimes just gets up and leaves while leaving the video running. Also he’s kind of a douche sometimes and quite aggressive towards random chatters, although I’ll give him leeway there because oh my god do people online have the worst fkn opinions about Hasan Piker. I think if I got as much shit on a daily basis as him (while being forced to read it because it’s my job to engage with the audience), I would lose my mind.
although I’ll give him leeway there
Yeah same. At first blush it feels like he’s being a douche sometimes, but really it’s that his chat is literally trying to gaslight him for fun approximately 50% of the time lol
So far, the criticisms that have caused struggle sessions wind up being about pretty mild stuff.
Off the top of my head: he frequently uses ableist language, like using “schizophrenic” as an insult.
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Grifter with a cash crop. All twitch streamers are bad
Gateway leftist, it’s all okay, don’t get attached to Internet personalities, if you like listening it’s fine, just don’t be parasocial with podcasters.
hasan isnt a gateway, he is a leftist. as long as you ignore the contradictions of him living in a hollywood mansion and engaging in treat culture, the dude is a very important internet personality because hes basically using his immense wealth and privilege to do praxis like every day. hes a bourgeoisie class traitor like fredrich engles. nothing less than complete uncritical support for hasan should be from this website. he is far more influential here than the chapo podcast.
Probably has done more for the left than me. He’s a guy, Chapo dudes are people, im just saying don’t be to attached to the personalities in a positive or negative way. If you like the context listen, if you don’t, don’t hate and froth when people say they do.
no great leftist movement has ever existed without a cult of personality.
“very important internet personality” is a contradiction in terms and streaming isn’t “praxis” in any sense, but otherwise i agree with the general thrust of your argument
Idk to what extent you can call him “bourgeoisie”. He’s rich, for sure, but he’s not profiting off of anyone else’s labor and twitch/amazon is directly profiting off of his.
He doesn’t own a factory or a business with employees working for him. Unlike most workers, he has more agency over his own work but he still has to run a certain minimum amount of advertisements as dictated by the platform owners, for example.
I don’t know enough theory to know where exactly the line is or if a certain amount of wealth just makes you bourgeois anyway, but yeah, I don’t think it’s that clear cut with our favorite gorillion-dollar-gucci-mansion-socialist.
Yeah he’s more like a professional or a petty bourgeoisie. Really not much different from a movie star
Maybe veering a bit off-topic here, but what does he do? I mean, what does a streamer actually do aside from play games on stream? Does he like talk about politics while gaming, or do people just tune in to hear him speak randomly? I’m getting old.
it’s kind of like those AM talk radio shows that last like 5 hours, but even longer and worse for his health
More like a talk show yeah, he doesn’t game much
Interesting. I wonder how people get to that point, you know? Nobody would tune in to watch Mr. Joaomarrom rambling on twitch. What does it take to make people want to hear what I have to say, to the point where they’re actively giving me money for my opinions?
I suppose the same could be asked about any podcast or any public figure. Man I wish people would just pay to watch me speak to the computer.
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Yeah I’ve realized lately that opening a Twitch account and pointing a camera at yourself is for suckers. Obviously a couple people succeeded from that, but hardly anyone. Mostly absolute baddies btw
I kind of wanted to stream games a few years ago but I realized it’s really such a waste of time for the audience, which is why they don’t watch you. If you are insanely good at whatever you’re doing, people might watch you to witness the prowess. If you aren’t insanely good, you’re asking people to watch you for 8 hours so that they can see one hilarious thing spontaneously happen for 10 seconds. It’s not worth it! That’s shit entertainment.
So at that point I created a tiktok and started posting just the 10 second clips. People like that. I just play games with OBS running and slam F8 when something interesting happens. And then go trim and edit the video later. Everyone saves so much time that way. Sometimes I’ll intentionally produce a video, but that’s like 5-10% of my videos.
Now if I wanted to stream I would have a huge advantage over someone just starting out - if I published a video saying I’m about to stream, it probably wouldn’t perform very good at all, maybe 500 views, and maybe 10 people would click through to the stream, and maybe some of my followers would have the stream pop up in their tiktok feed, so maybe I’d get 15, 20, 50 people tops. As opposed to starting a Twitch and having 0, 1, or 2 viewers for literally months. That’s such a dramatically easier starting position
Part of the argument is depending on the game doing people just stream the time they are farming clips for tiktok like you do. And twitch viewers represent a much larger amount of $ per viewer. $ per viewer is such a slimy way of framing it. Also it can be fun idk I streamed for a bit to like 5-20 people for a couple months. I was chilling between semesters but it was chill idk.
Oh yeah I don’t wanna bash that at all, I’m really only talking about trying to launch it as a job, which many people do, and also just doing that and not having a clip channel outside of twitch.
TikTok and YouTube Shorts are the absolute worst for making money, you can literally only make good money if you have a mass-appeal mindless video channel on there, and you’re incredibly skilled and lucky, but they’re good for getting followers and viewers
Idk, I just despise streaming
Just don’t ask him about the DPRK
Hes ok for a lib
Basically alright for such a public facing figure?
he gud
he’s as much of a lib as any of you here tho
Fair
seems like a lovely guy. his streams aren’t for me tho. the arguments about whether a communist can own a fancy car are stupid.
oh yeah and he’s sexy
He’s the antidote to vaush type fake “left” liberals, he’s extremely useful and a rare genuine pipeline for the left
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He is a really great part about of the pipeline if you know what I mean
Yes ! The pipeline !
Personally I enjoy watching him, more than other streamers. As others have said, he’s important for the pipeline. What I will add is, for better or worse depending on how you look at it, he’s a “dude’s dude” which I think helps with the dumb “socialist soyboy” stereotype bs.
