From the guy’s own mouth.

  • Serdan@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    Except that OP is trying to frame the invasion as justified when the reality is that Putin thought he could bully his neighbors. NATO predictably went “fuck off” and that somehow means bombing Ukrainian children was unavoidable.

    • ElGosso [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I don’t see it like that - I see it like assigning any blame at all to NATO, which it does deserve, to some degree.

      • Serdan@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        By deflecting blame from Russia.

        Do you agree that Putin should drop dead?

        • ElGosso [he/him]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Everyone who ever asked me shit like that was never interested in having a discussion, just in purity tests. What I think should happen to Putin has no bearing on what caused this. And FWIW this kind of mindless insistence on moral absolutism is why Tripoli went from the capital of the most stable country in Africa to an open-air slave market.

          • Serdan@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            It’s a litmus test for whether I want to engage with you at all.

            Being able to state unequivocally that a murderous billionaire should drop dead is the absolute bare minimum for a socialist.

            I have yet to get a straight answer from so-called socialists on Lemmy.

            • ElGosso [he/him]@hexbear.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              No it isn’t, it’s because you want to dictate the terms of the conversation, which, again, leaves zero room for any admittance that Putin isn’t the only one who caused this situation.

              • Serdan@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                USA is also responsible. Fucking obviously.

                I live in Denmark. We’re sending absurd amounts of military aid. The commie party supports this on the basis that Ukrainians have an indisputable right to defend themselves. I agree with that, but there’s obviously room for discussing what exactly that implies in terms of support.

                All billionaires should go jump off a bridge. Liberal politicians should take a trip to the Titanic, and I have a very nice wall I want to show the billionaire who bankrolled the Danish libertarian party.

                I’d be more than happy to have a conversation about the conflict that isn’t just parroting neoliberal talking points, but as I said, this is a litmus test. If you can’t state unequivocally that Putin, a murderous billionaire, deserves to die, then you’re not any kind of socialist I can recognize, and I’ll have no further interest in talking with you.