I have a network-wide pi hole and I noticed that it requested activity.windows.com, a url blocked by my pi hole, even while my pc is suspended. I pinged 10.0.0.217 and it is currently unreachable. So, somehow, windows pc’s turn on networking, phones home, and turns off even while suspended.

Creepy behavior

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    Honestly if you’re still trying to find workaround for Microsofts crap at this point - just switch to Linux.

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      At this point for me, trying to get games working on Linux has become easier than trying to get telemetry to stop working on Windows.

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        And since Ive never bought the problematic games before it’s so much easier for me.

        I’d encourage anyone to ditch the crappy anticheat broken crap and just go back to playing good high quality games.

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        I game on Linux every day.

        I wish multiplayer worked across the board but it’s whatever. I don’t have time for it any way haha.

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          What multiplayer doesn’t work? Do you mean because of EAC not working or something?

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            Yep. I’d like to play the older call of duty games when I hook it up on my dock. I’ve thought about dual booting, but the work, man. Maybe I’ll get my daughter to do it one day. She’s still tech excited. The world hasn’t burned her out yet. :p

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        Sorry for the rant but why the hell people still entertain themselves with proprietary Windows games in 2023?!? So much so that they are willing to put up with such utter rubbish of an OS? Man, just play better games, even FOSS ones, on Linux! The proprietary rubbish pay-to-win games should be shunned!

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          You can’t play VR on linux without significant pain and most VR games are from small devs who don’t do unethical stuff like pay-to-win.

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            There’s tons of SteamVR for Linux fixes flowing in right now. Assuming Valve doesn’t break anything, the setup on AMD cards with KDE is now just:

            • Set GPU to VR performance mode
            • Install SteamVR
            • Disable async reprojection
            • Start SteamVR
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        If you have a wireless Xbox controller it becomes far harder. Xone is what I want to use but then I have xow, xbdrvr and a bunch of other things to deal with. Or if I want to actually use my Nvidia video card to it’s fullest ability, well good luck.

        Linux is awesome but has a bit to go for me. Although it’s been that was since it stopped being my daily driver in 2014.

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      Oh, my daily driver is a linux, i just have a spare surface book 3 i use occasionally for gaming (the thing is surprisingly powerful)

      Idk how well linux would support detaching and touchscreen with pen. But I’ll definitely switch the os to linux sometime in the future when i get a new gaming rig.

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    Is this machine by any chance a recent laptop?

    Newer laptops with Intel cpu (not sure about AMD) don’t have a real sleep mode anymore. Instead, they have a mode where, besides the ram, the cpu and the network device are also kept alive for communication.

    In theory, this means that when you wake up your device all of your apps and stuff will already be updated with the latest information from the web with little battery loss. In practice, it just overheats your laptop while in your backpack and kills the battery.

    The ping you see while it is “sleeping” might be from this.

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      It’s such a dumb fucking feature too.
      “Oh god forbid my email client and messaging app refresh 5 seconds after I wake my laptop instead of being already refreshed”
      Who actually cares? Who on earth asked for this zombie sleep state?

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        Nobody asked for it. And it’s not like they add anything people ask for (or remove things people ask them to get rid of) anyway.

        Macbooks are the same way. I have one of my System Bots running on my work laptop (now that I can get away with it) and it wakes up… let me see… somewhere between every half hour to three hours, whether I want it to or not.

        This “always on” bullshit is frustrating.

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        Don’t forget the added feature of your laptop overheating and crashing when you put it into your backpack.

        Or my personal favorite is when it doesn’t overheat and crash it drains 20% of it’s battery in 15 minutes then goes into hibernation.

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        I expect is more usefull for big files or similar, aka like the consoles standby updates downloads.

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      Linus explored that bug, it’s not so much with recent laptops as it is with Windows sleep in general. For some god forsaken reason, if your laptop is connected to a network while plugged in and you put it to sleep, and then unplug your laptop from the power, it will burn through its battery and die. This doesn’t happen if you unplug your laptop before you put it into sleep mode. My guess is that while it’s plugged in, Windows thinks it’s fine for it to run a bit hotter, but when you unplug it while it’s in sleep mode, it doesn’t realise it’s not plugged in anymore and drains the battery. Idk how they have still not fixed this after many years, but it is still a problem.

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        That’s one of the ideas with MRAM: buy your device already booted up, no more booting up or shutting down (…or reinstalling, or changing the OS).

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      You have precisely described my experience with my latest laptop. I get probably 4 hours of battery life in this mode. After that my battery is probably at 20% or less which means that when I open the laptop there’s almost nothing I can do with it.

      I had to figure out how to re-enable S3 sleep and now I’m struggling with my stupid Wi-Fi adapter which breaks every time I resume from sleep but all I have to do is toggle it and I’m back to running again. After doing this change my battery life in sleep will actually last at least a day now which is massive compared to what it used to be.

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      This is why I disconnect my machines from the network while in sleep mode (I use only wired connections). For me it’s perfectly sufficient if they update the apps while I use them.

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    Sleep is no longer what it used to be. They killed off S3 sleep in favor of some always connected mode, much like you cell phone.

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      I only learned this during the pandemic when i started working from home and my work laptop would wake up at 1am, fans blasting 100%

      Or my laptop would wake up in my backpack during my commute and drain the whole battery…

      I opened a helpdesk ticket and they didnt know why. Their solution was “just turn off your laptop”…

      After doing my owm digging, i realized S3 was gone and windows just does whatever the fuck it wants

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        It got disabled one day on my 8th Gen i7 XPS. It was driving me crazy trying to figure out why it keep cooking it self alive in my backpack. It’s since been demoted to house use, sleep is still useless even after many FW updates and fresh os install. That thing used to last weeks on battery just closing the lid. Now it can’t make it though the night. I wish I could turn it back on in this case, my new laptop is much better about it.

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    Oh god another one of these posts…

    When pihole blocks a dns request, devices often keep trying to connect until the connection is successful. So yea, no shit it’s ginna keep trying to query that domain repeatedly, including when you’re sleeping.

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    My Windows 10 machine comes up from sleep when nobody is anywhere near it. Seems weird to me. Also sometimes I wake it, sign in and the folder Music>Pictures (the regular Pictures folder… for some reason that’s where it is) is open in explorer. Couldn’t figure out whether it’s malware or Microsoft.

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      Go to your NIC’s properties and scroll down to disable WAKE ON MAGIC PACKETS.

      If you have any device that scans for your MAC (probably your router) it will wake up. Drove me crazy until I figured it out

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        It’s most likely modern standby (S0 standby) and not a WOL packet.

        All modern laptops default to this, and the latest don’t even give you an option to turn it off.

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          It was not in my case, the wakes happened when my router or HA controller scanned the network. Changing wake on magic packet (already had wake on lan disabled) remedied it for me.

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        It probably is that, makes sense. Not sure what devices would be doing it… (Xfinity router?). I even moved to a new house with different devices, router etc and it still did that.

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      I had something similar a while back, where it was waking up from sleep for no reason. I can’t remember the exact reason, but it had to do with a hardware being allowed to wake the device. I disabled it from being able to wake the machine and haven’t had a problem again. You can use the cmd to find which device woke your pc.

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        You’re right, it could be a setting in Windows or perhaps the BIOS. I know there is often a ‘wake on LAN’ BIOS setting…

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      the folder Music>Pictures (the regular Pictures folder… for some reason that’s where it is) is open in explorer.

      This sounds like the kind of thing that might happen if you have some kind of automatic sync set up, like when you plug your phone in and it automatically copies photos, or perhaps a cloud service that’s syncing photos?

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        My phone is never plugged into my computer and I don’t have any service like that running that I know of.

        It could be OneDrive (though I don’t use it at all) or even the ghost of the Explorer iCloud plugin.

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      Yeah so smug…it only stops accepting input from my touchpad if i close the lid on my laptop which puts it in sleep mode.

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    Yeah. It’s amazing how my windows laptop, whilst sleeping, whirrs all its fans up on the middle of the night. I am not suggesting that is it sending out telemetry, but it is fucking infuriating for sleep to mean anything other than “stop doing anything until I tell you to wake up”.

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      That is because recent laptops don’t “sleep” like before with s4 (hybernate) or other sx.

      They have some sort of tucking clock waiting for windows to wake up to check for updates.

      In theory it allows to keep everything up to date while people are not working.

      However un proactice, it drains battery and overheats laptops, because Microsoft implemented that feature like crap, or the partners did some stupid things.

      It was supposed to only activate when the laptop was plugged in. However if the laptop was plugged in, put on sleep, then unplugged, windows still believed that the laptop was plugged in.

      Now I don’t know if windows ever solved that issue after people brought it up and Linus from Linus tech tips complained to Microsoft.

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      Shutdown is hybrid sleep anyway. Best of both worlds.

      Also FYI you have to restart to properly shut down Windows now. If you shut down and then turn it back on it will just resume from S4 hybrid sleep. Shut down does not normally shut down, it enters a zero power sleep state. Restart actually shuts down and reboots the OS.

      I think hybernation is really meant for when you want near zero power but a little trickle for something specific to wake the PC, eg an external device or network port. You can also sometimes do this directly in BIOS, if it has the facility.

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        You’re a bit confused.

        • Sleep keeps the system on but in a low power state. User and kernel sessions are kept in RAM. If power is lost, you start from a clean session. The system can resume full power with a key press or mouse movement.
        • Hibernate dumps the user and kernel session from RAM to disk and completely powers off. Upon startup, the hiberfil.sys file is read and put back into RAM. The physical power button must be pressed to turn on.
        • Hybrid Shutdown uses a feature called Fast Startup. The user session is discarded, while the kernel session is written to disk before the system completely powers off. Upon startup, the hiberfil.sys file is read and puts the kernel session back into RAM. The last logged on user has their profile preloaded, including any apps that support the feature. The physical power button must be pressed to turn on.

        You can disable Fast Startup or simply hold SHIFT and click Shutdown. The feature requires the user to press the Shutdown button within Windows for it to function. If you press the physical power button on your case, that is an ACPI initiated shutdown and bypasses the Fast Startup feature. This is by design.

        Your motherboard firmware controls whether or not the USB ports will continue to supply power when the system is off. It’s essentially like a wall brick at this point.

        Fast Startup was really meant for HDD. With SSD it’s not really necessary. It’s negligible time savings and with how buggy drivers can be, days or weeks old kernel sessions are bound to start causing problems.

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          Thanks for the extra detail. Yes, Fast Startup can be disabled in various ways. The point I was making was that clicking Windows, Shut Down by default doesn’t really do what most people think it does, what it used to always do.