• halfpipe [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    2003 : support the invasion and occupation of Iraq, destabilizing the middle east and creating millions of refugees.

    2011 : support the annihilation of Libya, destabilizing North Africa and creating millions of refugees.

    2013: support the intervention in Syria , funding and training extremists and creating millions more refugees.

    2014 - 2022: support coups, bombing campaigns and military actions throughout North Africa, creating millions more refugees.

    2023: “Wow, where are all these refugees coming from? We need to put them in camps!”

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    Nazis / average reddit libs are so incredibly dense. Europe already does let refugees drown en masse, puts the survivors in camps and immediately deports a large number of them. If you’re too racist to bear that people from the Global South come to your doorstep, maybe stop bombing and overexploiting their home countires and stop making equatorial regions uninhabitable through climate change.

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      i mean… a shining example of european democracy = fascism, but they are deporting hungarians… i cant decide.

      which country is this anyway? :D

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    I have to ask… Why? Why haven’t you all given up on Reddit, and especially those who talk about politics on Reddit? Now the only ones talking about politics on Reddit are the Nazis who don’t give a shit about Reddit’s abusive business model. Political Reddit is now practically 4chan

    CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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      It’s not so much that anyone wants to be there but that it’s a theater of operations that you can not ignore when waging a political battle.

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        For all we talk about the internet not being real life, a ton of people dramatically change their beliefs and actions based on what they read online. Posting isn’t praxis, but it’s propaganda, and propaganda works.

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      I gave up on reddit like 4 years ago when chapo got banned. I just lurk around there nowadays and participate in some niche communities that are not political.

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      I think it’s fun to make very socialist comments in subs that are very much not socialist, but like not use any socialist words, and then get a lot of upvotes from people who would call me a tankie in a heartbeat if they realized. I don’t think I’m changing anyone’s mind btw, I don’t think I’m doing anything important, I just think it’s funny to write one of those a couple times a month lmao.

      I also just need some outlet to disagree with libs on the internet, as lots of sorta-libs-who-don’t-follow-politics surround me irl, and I don’t want to be that guy to them, as they are my friends. It’s also just fun to practice arguments at random people, so you can see what works, and what doesn’t without any real consequence. There are people I actually want to convince in real life, might as well prototype my arguments when I can.

      Also it’s entertaining to yell at fascists. Like yeah, I should touch grass, but Redditors being mean to me doesn’t really bother me, so it’s not like I’m losing anything doing it. It is nice however to have this place, where I can go to relax a bit, if I don’t feel like having /r/europe people in my replies.

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    These same people will claim unironically that Europe must be preserved because it’s a bastion of human rights and that “those people don’t place value on human life, unlike us”

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    Reminds me a bit of this thread from /r/HistoryMemes

    Europeans talking about American Racial Tensions (MLK) vs Europeans talking about Romani people (Hitler)

    comments proceed to prove the post 100% correct

    It’s amazing how their racist arguments about Romani people are basically exactly the same as American racist arguments about black people, but they can’t see the connection.

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      All of that “but they don’t integrate well” is bullshit too. Jewish people integrated into European nations, while maintaining an independent cultural identity, and were still subject of ridicule and oppression starting from the Alfred Dreyfus affair and culminating with the Holocaust.

      It’s just white supremacy.

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        Reminds me of something I read that went on during world war 1; apparently the German government at the time wanted to prove that the Jewish people were letting Germans die in war but not contributing themselves and conducted a study that SURELY was going to prove that, right?

        Well actually the study proved that Jewish people were participating in the military in higher numbers than non-Jewish people and so they kept the results of the study under wraps.

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    how do these people get so personally pressed about such a proportionally tiny amount of people? literally less than 5 in 100 persons is a migrant in the EU, and that counts non-EU white people. i’m convinced most of these nazis probably haven’t actually spoken to an immigrant. this current italian “crisis” drama is over 100,000 people. in a fucking country of 60 million, with a gdp of 3 trillion you’re going to tell me y’all can’t afford feeding & housing 100k?

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    As my friend Aimé Césaire once said: Europe is indefensible. Racism, orientalism and imperialism are the default position of many europeans, when “they” are “threatened” by people who flee their countries thanks to the absolute economic starvation THEY (The europeans) have produced, they turn around and sieg heil at the nearest swastika. Instead of turning into straight up nazis (And it is poles who are unironically doing it, lmfao), question your own authorities and be critical of your own history. If you don’t want africans arriving by boat, demand Capitalism to stop starving Africa and to eliminate their dependency on western financial “aid” and capital.

    Europe is nothing but a glorified peninsula that has contributed next to nothing to the world, since it’s a peninsula starved of natural resources, they took them from other places. Look at it this way: The America’s first experience with Europe was fucking Columbus man, a complete brute who found them by accident and then proceeded to do genocide because european moment. Then the europeans pillaged the entire continent, made themselves rich from America’s riches and now they try to lecture us on “how to human rights”. This is Europe, a thorn in everyone else’s asses. Europe delenda est.

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    That whole thread is ridiculous. Almost every comment is the most racist mask-off shit advocating for the death for foreigners in one way or another. Some are even explicitly saying they don’t care that they’re taking neonazi positions.