I didn’t say I listened to Joe Rogan for hours — I said I listened to Alex Jones for a considerable amount of time. I only gave a counter example to show that Joe Rogan does, in fact, platform Nazis. To do that I only need to show one example where he does. And it’s one white supremacist I’m familiar with.
To my knowledge, being a nut-job doesn’t preclude somone from being a white supremacist. If they’re propagandizing white supremacists talking points to a large audience, even if “mad”, they’re still a fucking white supremacist. Honestly, the cogent ones are more scary. But, If they’re talking about the ‘fall of the western civilization’, the threat of the ‘globalists’, or aping rhetoric from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: they’re a white supremacist. Which Alex spins into current events around a narrative to have people believe the world is ending in a month or so just in time before the lovely ad pivot. Again, it’s not something he’ll directly say, but its something that gets picked up over time after listening to him for way too long. A through line, of sorts, as he dons and shifts positions, or the conspiracy ‘flavor of the week,’ as he picks up whatever narrative he finds helpful so he can continue to doomsay.
I will say Jones has some sort of illness, but I don’t know the exactly where it ends and his act that enriched him begins. For example, 2008-2012 era Jones hits differently than 2016 onward.
I’d be more than happy to pick out audio clips where he does precisely this, if you want. However that will take me a bit cause I don’t have a perfect recollection of all the vile shit he’s said. There’s always the Knowledge Fight podcast, where they debunk the idiot, but that’s your call. They, weirdly enough, were expert witnesses at Jone’s Sandyhook civil trial.
Edit: A good day Knowledge Fight covers of Alex’s show is episode 796: February 4, 2004. Start at 11:07 to avoid the podcaster bloat. It’s a case where everyone who is a guest just so happens to be Nazis. Of course, there are many of other days like this, of course.
Well, no, my grandmother had conspiratorial thought, and once she passed, while Jones wasn’t super popular (or influential) and at the time he was amusing and harmless, he made me nostalgically think of her. So I kept it on in the back ground. As I became an adult I shifted to less time consuming way to interact with his content as I questioned the ethics of watching his content directly. Dood was a fun crazy back in the day. Now, yikes.
As a Floridian, I have seen straight up swastika tattoos and SS lightning bolts on necks. The white supremacist movement did adopt Nazi iconography a few decades ago. They aren’t literally nazis, but are people who are pushing Ur-giest adjacent philosophy alongside the same sources and arguments. And – no – I don’t see them around every corner because they’re in the super minority, but thoughts like Great-Replacment theory are becoming increasingly mainstream. You’re putting thoughts in my head in lieu of making an argument and inventing an “argument”, imagine I think that, and are attacking it instead. Where did I claim there were Nazis around every corner? I claimed there exists at least one supremacist and they appeared on Joe’s show.
Look, you’re shifting away from a fairly straight forward argument the Joe had a white supremacist on his podcast. I gave you a digestible source to discover that claim and cite their sources in a verifiable way. Jones doesn’t just dabble in conspiracy, he purposefully has vocal white supremacists on his show regularly, doesn’t address it, and pushes his audience to their spaces while dog-whistling white supremacist arguments. See Feuntes appearing on his show. I know this because I watched his show for years
I’m … Super confused. I’m claiming Alex Jones is a white supremacist. You claimed Joe never had supremacist on his podcast. I said he had Jones on, therefore he has.
I never said Joe was a white supremacist. Where did I say that?
No, from what understand about Joe’s brand is he platforms unpopular ideas. He let’s them say their thing and goes on. It can include supremacists, and pseudoscientist. Or fun guests people want to hear from. I say, let him do his thing. Like you, and other people said in the comments section have said, most of these people hang themselves on their own statments. But there’s a worry in the back of my head of pushing traffic towards these people – that’s here nor there in our discussion. I took umbridge with the statement that supremacists don’t appear on Joe’s which Alex is one.
Jones even had David Duke appear on his show. He had a pretty groveling debate with him, but you can look into that if you want. He repetitively has supremacist guests on show – I don’t know what to tell you. It’s pretty slanted.
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I didn’t say I listened to Joe Rogan for hours — I said I listened to Alex Jones for a considerable amount of time. I only gave a counter example to show that Joe Rogan does, in fact, platform Nazis. To do that I only need to show one example where he does. And it’s one white supremacist I’m familiar with.
To my knowledge, being a nut-job doesn’t preclude somone from being a white supremacist. If they’re propagandizing white supremacists talking points to a large audience, even if “mad”, they’re still a fucking white supremacist. Honestly, the cogent ones are more scary. But, If they’re talking about the ‘fall of the western civilization’, the threat of the ‘globalists’, or aping rhetoric from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: they’re a white supremacist. Which Alex spins into current events around a narrative to have people believe the world is ending in a month or so just in time before the lovely ad pivot. Again, it’s not something he’ll directly say, but its something that gets picked up over time after listening to him for way too long. A through line, of sorts, as he dons and shifts positions, or the conspiracy ‘flavor of the week,’ as he picks up whatever narrative he finds helpful so he can continue to doomsay.
I will say Jones has some sort of illness, but I don’t know the exactly where it ends and his act that enriched him begins. For example, 2008-2012 era Jones hits differently than 2016 onward.
I’d be more than happy to pick out audio clips where he does precisely this, if you want. However that will take me a bit cause I don’t have a perfect recollection of all the vile shit he’s said. There’s always the Knowledge Fight podcast, where they debunk the idiot, but that’s your call. They, weirdly enough, were expert witnesses at Jone’s Sandyhook civil trial.
Edit: A good day Knowledge Fight covers of Alex’s show is episode 796: February 4, 2004. Start at 11:07 to avoid the podcaster bloat. It’s a case where everyone who is a guest just so happens to be Nazis. Of course, there are many of other days like this, of course.
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Well, no, my grandmother had conspiratorial thought, and once she passed, while Jones wasn’t super popular (or influential) and at the time he was amusing and harmless, he made me nostalgically think of her. So I kept it on in the back ground. As I became an adult I shifted to less time consuming way to interact with his content as I questioned the ethics of watching his content directly. Dood was a fun crazy back in the day. Now, yikes.
As a Floridian, I have seen straight up swastika tattoos and SS lightning bolts on necks. The white supremacist movement did adopt Nazi iconography a few decades ago. They aren’t literally nazis, but are people who are pushing Ur-giest adjacent philosophy alongside the same sources and arguments. And – no – I don’t see them around every corner because they’re in the super minority, but thoughts like Great-Replacment theory are becoming increasingly mainstream. You’re putting thoughts in my head in lieu of making an argument and inventing an “argument”, imagine I think that, and are attacking it instead. Where did I claim there were Nazis around every corner? I claimed there exists at least one supremacist and they appeared on Joe’s show.
Look, you’re shifting away from a fairly straight forward argument the Joe had a white supremacist on his podcast. I gave you a digestible source to discover that claim and cite their sources in a verifiable way. Jones doesn’t just dabble in conspiracy, he purposefully has vocal white supremacists on his show regularly, doesn’t address it, and pushes his audience to their spaces while dog-whistling white supremacist arguments. See Feuntes appearing on his show. I know this because I watched his show for years
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I’m … Super confused. I’m claiming Alex Jones is a white supremacist. You claimed Joe never had supremacist on his podcast. I said he had Jones on, therefore he has.
I never said Joe was a white supremacist. Where did I say that?
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There’s no need to be condescending
No, from what understand about Joe’s brand is he platforms unpopular ideas. He let’s them say their thing and goes on. It can include supremacists, and pseudoscientist. Or fun guests people want to hear from. I say, let him do his thing. Like you, and other people said in the comments section have said, most of these people hang themselves on their own statments. But there’s a worry in the back of my head of pushing traffic towards these people – that’s here nor there in our discussion. I took umbridge with the statement that supremacists don’t appear on Joe’s which Alex is one.
Jones even had David Duke appear on his show. He had a pretty groveling debate with him, but you can look into that if you want. He repetitively has supremacist guests on show – I don’t know what to tell you. It’s pretty slanted.
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