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Capitalism itself rarely invents new things, but it does optimize existing things quite well
Though what it tries to optimize it for isn’t always what is best for the consumer
Chicken sandwiches used to be so much better. Now it occasionally feels like I’m biting into a tire. I don’t understand this business strategy.
Its simple, capitalism treats the consumer like cattle, and the optimization of profit drives them to replace real quality products with cheaper and cheaper substitutes over time until you’re expected to bite into that tire and go “wow, this chicken is delicious”
But I just stopped buying them instead.
Unfortunately, you’re the minority.
Most people seem to as economic actors behave quite a lot like cattle, which is why treating them as cattle works…
I just broke into the fast food chain’s headquarters to find the secret formula. Next year’s recipe is going to be this between two buns:
I don’t understand this business strategy.
You still bought it and they saved money. Profit!
Even the almighty Chick-fil-A has seemed lower quality the last 3-4 times I went. Used to never get chewy chicken from them.
Maybe one day you’ll stop hating gay people too.
They recently stopped donating to anti-LGBTQ orgs, for what it’s worth.
Could be the supply chain or that location? The only chicken sandwiches that are worth are CFA and MCD.
I was a bit impressed with the one I had from Fatburger on the weekend. Since I’m allergic to beef, I eat a lot of chicken sandwiches, and it was better than most.
Woody breast syndrome?
Damn chicken steroids.
Indeed. People like to claim that capitalism is the most efficient system, but what it’s efficient at is transferring wealth to the ownership class.
That’s what efficiency means in context, and in practice.
Well, everything is learned in comparison. I lived in USSR, and that OP meme for USSR would be just an empty frame. At least under capitalism there is this wealth that is being transferred and if it is democratic capitalism then a safety net can be created to correct for capitalism failures.
To be honest, the whole farce is the capitalism vs socialism argument anyway. It was just a an idea so that we can do us vs them.
We should be doing what’s best for the country each and every time as best we can. In some cases this may mean socialism when providing free education which then enhances capitalismn having a smarter country average of people.
The problem is people don’t realise we’re not really capitalist. When everything’s good for companies rich CEO’s blame capitalismnin why they keep their fat pay checks and why if you don’t like it you should leave. When everything’s bad, CEO’s blame society in why they deserve a free government bail out. Because the truth is, either way it’s the people who get screwed over.
Sure we may have many companies with competing products (usually only 2 big ones) that’s supposed to bring competition. Until you realise they’re all largely owned by two main shareholder groups.
Simply having it worse doesn’t validate something that’s not quite as bad. The whole reason it’s called capitalism is because the driving factor is capital and everything else is secondary. It was literally made as a replacement to monarchies because the nobles and merchants already held all the money and could keep their undeserved power.
You should know as well as anyone else that you didn’t live under communism in the USSR. The USSR was stuck in the place on the way to communism because people didn’t want to give up their power. It was basically state-run capitalism at that point.
Correcting for the failures of capitalism is a waste of time when better systems exist that don’t require going all-in on extreme ideologies. If it takes bringing up the disaster that was the USSR to make it sound good then it’s just a joke and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
USSR economic system is called socialism, which is a step in direction to communism. Given that this might be a particular flavor of socialism/capitalism, nothing significantly different was tried experimentally, so to say.
I also disagree with the certainty of you last statement claiming that a better system exists, which I assume you mean communism. Existence of such system on paper does not mean that it works in practice. It is possible, and in my opinion is very likely that particular features of human brain, of human psychology makes the system relying only on altruism to be less effective that the system that relies also on material interests.
It is plausible that in future, with different level of economic development, and with possibility to directly modify brain pathways (or transferring to silicon all together) the situation can be different and better system may exist. But with current biological humans and present development level? I seriously doubt that.
What better system exists?
Holy shit this is a reach. “Maybe you can’t afford to live under capitalism, but that guy on a yacht is having a nice time, so it’s really all worth it. Imagine if we all couldn’t afford to live? Then you couldn’t see that guy’s cool yacht!”
That’s clearly not the situation in the most developed western democracies.
that’s not what efficiency means in context. Stop spreading ignorance.
Also source in the claim that capitalism is the most efficient system?
My source is communists claiming that capitalism is too efficient and mean for their system to compete against
Capitalism is also highly adept at taking the credit for the inventions and innovations of talented engineers and other scientists.
(Pictured: a now deceased deadbeat dad/marketer/capitalist/new age medicine enthusiast who never invented anything, but sure did enjoy wearing turtlenecks)Steve Wozniak: makes hardware and writes the software
Steve jobs:
I can’t find it anymore, but there was an excellent Youtube vid or podcast about the components and integrations of an iPhone and how almost none of them were new inventions even though their particular use was patented by Apple, and they were in fact mostly publicly funded projects! University grants, AR&D defense contracts, infrastructure allocations, open source, etc.
GPS, touchscreen, LCDs, cell networks, HTTP, GPS, IMUs, basically every file format on the thing aside from distribution formats, much of the SDK and the foundations of the IDE.
Capitalism does not foster innovation. It fosters opportunism. The public sector takes the 1-in-a-million risk inventing something like HTTP, and carefully nurses small saplings into a sprawling fruit-bearing orchard, then the private sector comes along and harvests it, taking credit for inventing the apple. (Pun intended)
Capitalism only ever optimizes along the “maximum profitability for the seller” axis, and buyers only ever benefit if there is a ton of competition and it’s a low brand recognition domain (otherwise the profitavility optimization mostly just ends up influencing marketing, not price or quality) and only ever whilst said situation lasts (the profit optimization will also tend to end high-competition low brand recognition situations if possible as that’s not optimal for profitability).
Optimization is only a guaranteed good thing for those who benefit ftom what is deemed the optimal state or direction of improvement and in Capitalism that’s the ones taking the profits.
Capitalism itself rarely invents new things
I don’t know that it even makes sense to say that capitalism (or socialism, or communism) invented something, but it seems fair to say that most of inventing we’ve seen in the modern world was done in a capitalistic system.
Sure, it’s not really the economic model itself doing the inventing, but people like to say that there couldn’t be any innovation under any economic model but capitalism.
But more often than not, new technologies come from universities since investing in potential technologies is risky, it’s much safer to invest in refining an existing one. Meanwhile universities are more willing to spend money on research for researchs sake
Take the language models that are all the rage these days, the underlying technology was created at a university, then once it existed, companies took it and pretty much just made them bigger and more easily available
Computers, screens, modern encryption, lithium batteries, the internet, touchscreens, wifi, i could go on. Your phone is pretty much just a pile of parts that were invented at an university, then made smaller, cheaper and assembled together by a company
And while some of those university projects were also externally funded, it was usually state funded, usually for their military applications
It does spread and apply new things fairly well though even if it doesn’t invent them as much.
This is a dumb post
Yup, honestly food is a cornerstone of the human experience. Having different options and exploring different things is generally great.
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Even though I disagree with the statement “capitalism breeds innovation”, this is poor way to demonstrate that it’s bullshit.
Of course a chicken sandwich isn’t going to appear fundamentally different from Popeyes to KFC. They’re also not the only items that these restaurants sell.
The idea is that these restaurants exist as some kind of better option over a local mom & pop sandwich joint with higher unit overhead. Whether or not the value proposition is sufficient for you is personal.
It’s also an example of something capitalism does well. Those chicken sandwiches are not interchangeable, and you can buy the one that best suits your taste and budget, plus competition generally keeps the quality pretty good.
Capitalism ruins a hell of a lot of things that really matter, but not chicken sandwiches.
Exactly. I’m as “last stage capitalism” as they come (okay maybe not extreme) but this image is a terrible take.
All those varieties saw a market that demanded a product. Companies innovated and are selling the products and making a profit.
I feel like the OP missed the point. A better example would be to show pure monopolies like ISPs. The fact we’re paying hand over fist for subpar internet is an example of innovation not working.
If you think any fast food restaurant is quality then I would go learn to cook.
See, unfettered capitalism is completely fucked, but this is a bad example. It would be like getting a bunch of different coffee brands and putting them together like this and saying the same thing.
Coffee is coffee.
Chicken Sandwiches are chicken sandwiches.
There are bigger issues with capitalism that are worth discussing instead
While I agree with you, I think it’s meant more symbolically but Lemmy being Lemmy everyone here is going to take it literally
I don’t get it, how much can you possibly do to differentiate a chicken sandwich? There’s plenty of issues to discuss but you can do better than this, come on.
Fast food has a lot more competitive aspects than just the actual food, marketing, other unique products to draw customers in, location, branding, kitchen effiency, customer retention, franchising structure, ingredient sourcing. The public facing stuff is also the easiest to copy so that’s why a lot of those things are similar.
They taste distinctly different. I like spicy chicken sandwiches so I’ve tried a couple of these. Burger King’s tastes like they just slapped a bunch of ingredients together and wrapped it up. McDonald’s actually tastes and feels like a chicken sandwich. Popeye’s has a very buttery mouth feel, and the bun is a lot more flavorful and rich.
I get what the meme is trying to say, but this is a poor example of it.
I will have to respectfully disagree on the McDonald’s chicken sandwich. No idea how they made fried chicken taste so bland, but they did it.
It isn’t amazing, that’s for sure.
They’re all terrible for you and made with diabetus.
Yeah but they taste good sometimes! You’re missing the point lol you want me to be healthy? That’s actually pretty nice
I want everyone to be healthy. Which is why this being the most widely available affordable food is a travesty.
No shit, you’re not supposed to eat this stuff all the time. The same could be said if you were making fried chicken sandwiches at home.
The fuck is this shit meant to mean?
It’s an illusion of choice. You’ve got eight different corporations spending billions of dollars in “Pick Me!” marketing campaigns, but its all just the same sad looking chicken sandwich.
We can see in the pictures there are differences between the sandwiches though.
It’s also a chicken sandwich, there are limits to what can be done.
there are differences between the sandwiches
All the ingredients for those sandwichs come from Sysco. You get some minor variation in preparation style, but you’d get that as a matter of course from a thousand independently run sandwich shops anyway. Corporate ownership of the real estate and IP does nothing to increase diversity or improve quality.
that’s not fair! our sandwich has a sauce that is formulated to be the closest we can get to chemically addictive without the FDA nuking our headquarters!
What do you want when you order a chicken sandwich? Do you want them to give you a burger?
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it needs infinite innovation and growth otherwise capitalism is failed. no chicken sandwich evolution = doomed philosophy
I don’t get the claim that capitalism requires consistently infinite growth, I would agree some parts of the current monetary system liked constant money supply growth benefits from it- but that’s not a necessary trait of capitalism.
Capitalism is when burger
Capitalism (here meaning a market economy dominated by a powerful investor class) breeds a dozen different companies trying to differentiate themselves with minor variations. Sometimes those variations lead to actual, legitimate improvements that are then spread throughout the industry.
Most of the time it just leads to one wondering what the fuck the difference is between ‘Cheerios’ and ‘Cheery Os’ in the cereal aisle at the grocery store.
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I’m a fan of Chi Ryos. Delicious with a bit of soy sauce.
It’s Cheer? Reee! …Oh’s for me. Half a cup sautéed with butter and garlic then smothered with beef gravy-- Exquisite.
Considering they’re all trying to copy Chick-fil-A’s sandwich, yes
bigot chicken
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stay strong, friend
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All corporations suck in one way or another. The only difference is whether we know about it or not.
Well, pardner, gather 'round and let me spin ya a yarn about Wendy’s spicy chicken sandwich. Now, this here sandwich, it ain’t no newfangled creation. No siree, it’s been around for a long time.
Back in the days when the sun beat down on dusty trails and tumbleweeds rolled through the town, folks would mosey on over to Wendy’s for a taste of that spicy chicken goodness. The sandwich had a kick to it, a real fiery flavor that could wake a sleepy cowboy right up.
They say the recipe was a closely guarded secret, passed down through generations of Wendy’s cooks. The chicken was crispy, the spices were just right, and the bun, well, it held it all together like a trusty steed on a rough ride.
Folks from far and wide would ride in from all corners of the territory just to sink their teeth into one of them spicy chicken sandwiches. It became a legend in these parts, a symbol of good eatin’ and a taste of the wild, wild west.
So, next time you saunter on down to Wendy’s and order yourself a spicy chicken sandwich, remember, you’re tappin’ into a taste of history, partner. It’s been around for a long time, and it’s still kickin’ to this very day.
They always taste like they’ve been around a long time, to your point. Like chewing a very dry shoe every time.
It probably was, I tend to ask for them to make the chicken fresh if it’s not busy
I’ve always had a soft spot for Wendy’s chicken sandwich and I can confidently say they didn’t even try to change anything when the Great Chicken Wars started.
Chic-Fil-A>Popeyes>McDonalds (spicy)>Wendys
I don’t think any of them are like Chick-fil-A. I like CFA’s sandwich, but it tastes entirely different to me.
They brine the chicken in pickle juice. Works great, and I’ve done it at home. Personally I like Popeye’s better.
Same, Popeye’s is great. The coating on Chick-fil-a is different as well - tasty, but not what I associate with a typical fried chicken coating.
I’ve got a hankering for some Chick-fil-A now.
Popeyes putting their fried chicken on Brioche with a decent sauce was an innovation, at least for fast food. It was sold out at most locations in CA when it launched. The BK and KFC both copied it.
Popeye’s is damn tasty. Very buttery feeling and the brioche is so good.
Capitalism takes innovation and beats the life out of it to flog the corpse for a quick buck. The thing that made KFC special wasn’t the blend of herbs and spices (that they don’t even fucking use anymore and you used to be able to buy ready mixed at the shops) it was the new innovative cooking technique that they immediately tossed in the trash because it was cheaper to just throw it all in a deep frier like everyone already did.
Yup it really sucks we don’t get good EVs because so far all the legacy automotive companies want to keep on making ridiculous SUVs.
I think we already have good EVs, variety will increase. Happy owner of a Polestar 2 speaking.
The silly range anxiety is what’s fueling larger vehicles at the moment, even though 90% of users could do with smaller capacity smaller EVs.
Even hybrids are better options than “war may break out at any moment and I need to be ready in my Hell-scape assault” truck.
I drive a Prius. Those “rolling coal” assholes blow black smoke at me all the time, I guess because I’m some sort of “woke commie” for getting better gas mileage than they do.
Meh I would love some of the more affordable models to hit we need to relax Tariffs to allow for more choice, and more affordable batteries, because the US is trying to manifest a battery industry out of thin air, and the players that have the more innovative products aren’t getting funding. I like how the Chinese are able to buy as much car as they can afford with the amount of volume
CAFE standards are pushing the industry towards large wheelbase vehicles, which are not required to be nearly as efficient as small wheelbase vehicles. It costs money to make a vehicle more fuel efficient, and it costs money for an automaker to put a serious EV program into place (not just “here’s one EV that can’t compete with Tesla and China, which we will cancel in a year, please buy the SUVs instead”).
Turning up that serious EV production requires a long term committment, long term investment, and a willingness to wait beyond the next two quarters for the return on that investment.
What are CAFE standards?
Thanks!
No innovation here
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Or maybe it’s a Chick-fil-A. Who can tell anymore?
There are few memes I actively dislike. This is one of them. Like, where’s the joke? Am I supposed to laugh at a remark that annoying nazi kid in your class make because they think it makes them look smart? Like even the base premise is abusive and shitty.
It does have it’s place, although this is definitely not it
Meme has Wendy’s, comment is taking a tangent, how is it not a normal fit for it? It’s not a genius usage of it, but it’s not like it’s out of place
I think it’s place is in cases where someone goes on a massive rant that’s completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
I’m def not hating as much as the other guy lol, he’s deranged
Nah there’s no place for “thank you for opening up, we’re going to punish you for showing vulnerability”
Lmao how do you take a joke as a punishment, who hurt you?
That’s another meme that only exists to punish people for not conforming to white supremacist society.
What the fuck are you on lol
