• Murvel@lemm.ee
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      At some point immigrant children ceased to have proper access to proper socio-economic status and a parallel society developed which, Scandinavians being Scandinavians, the majority ignored

      Where is your support for such a claim? All Swedish citizens, regardless of ethnicity or any other factor, have free access to and abundance of social support:

      • Free Healthcare
      • Free education, including university (you get paid to study)
      • Free work coaching and multitude of enrollment programs
      • Free financial support for unemployed
      • Favorable loans and cheap student housing

      In Sweden, you do not get forced into the life of a criminal, it’s a choice you make. But in order to integrate, you must be willing, and therein lies the root of the problem.

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          Immigrants have the same possibilities as everyone else in Sweden.

          So if it’s not their willingness to integrate, what is it then?

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            My god. I live in the country I was born in and even I can see that the odds are not stacked equally for immigrants. Sorry, but it’s hard to take your comment in good faith, hence the downvote.

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              You said:

              At some point immigrant children ceased to have proper access to proper socio-economic status

              What does that even mean, give us an example is what I’m saying.

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                  There are long term unemployment amongst all groups in Sweden and systems in place to fix it. Why do immigrants stand out?

          • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            It’s hard to even know what to say to this… Everything you’ve been saying has been pretty disingenuous, I think it’s called virtue signalling.

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                It’s equal opportunity bro, everyone has exactly the same opportunities, foreigners are treated just as well as Swedes, the only reason they’re not succeeding is because they’re lazy immigrants ofc… So fucking whack.

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                  Well shit man, you said it, but I never did. Seems you’ve good some defined conception, though, so feel free to share.

                  Or don’t I couldn’t give a fuck really

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      Integration should be the responsibility of anyone who enters another country. I wouldn’t go to Japan or Germany and expect them to slice off a chunk of their territory and call it America for me.

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        You can’t integrate yourself when you face racism. When the locals put you and all people vaguely your skin color in the same place, it’s not them taking the place, it’s you giving them the place and abandoning them there.

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      I think you’re making a very good point with the big city/rural areas argument. I’m sure most people, that have lived abroad would agree that surrounding yourself with people from similar origin is so incredibly easy. And to avoid that in big cities, where such societies are already established, someone has to purposely work on it. And that in itself is much more difficult and much lonelier than the alternative. And if your motivation for moving is solely economical, why would you do that?