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ITS NOT EVEN OK TO BE WHITE MAN ANYMORE
💧 💧The only thing he’ll be grilling are tears.
A 57 year old white man eating that much red meat surely won’t be eating that much for long ☠
man needs to cook it instead of just abusing their wives into slaving away in the kitchen
so in 20 years when those ppl die of colon cancer is the beef industry going to collapse and thus get propped up by subsidies? beef will be the new milk.
Always has been. In the states corn and soy subsidies lower the cost of most animal products by half.
Trying to commit suicide gang
The kind of consumer-brained chuds that whine about “virtue signaling” vegans seem to consume a lot of meat as their own performative virtue signaling to each other.
I love that emoji. There was also that one tweet of Shapiro or some other loser like him with a huge, unappetizing chunk of meat.
Soy is feminine, but giving yourself colon cancer and ED to own the libs is very manly
I love all those ghouls doing “manly” things that they, for the most part, very clearly hate doing. Smoking giant cigars, drinking super intense Scotch, eating huge and unappetizing chunks of meat–whatever. It’s all very funny because most of the time they’re obviously just barely choking whatever it is down while screaming “does this bother you Rachel Maddow?! Are you triggered, college students?!” It’s pretty obvious that it bothers them more than it bothers anyone else.
Uh i think they actually do like it. I know i do. Scotch and meat are both delicious. Not into cigars though.
Trying to say they don’t actually like it is just cope. Of course they do. The ones who try to use it as some political anti-woke virtue signaling are the most demented of them, but they still like the taste of the stuff etc.
You can have a problem with them and also acknowledge that they like what they are doing at the same time. You undermine your argument by creating straw men in your mind to get mad at.
You undermine your argument by creating straw men in your mind to get mad at.
Your posts all throughout this thread accusing other people of being “too online” because they’re not nodding sagely at your wisdom of the yumminess of delicious le steak as the only possible motivation for
behavior
There’s also a lot of hormones in meat, maybe more in red meats idk. There’s also lots of added growth hormones and such in dairy and meat to increase production.
I think there might be argument that carnist weirdos are actually doing some form of hormone therapy accidentally. 🤔
I’ve also heard that high meat consumption can potentially increase aggressive behaviors. I’d imagine the hormones are involved in that.
Or they just eat it because it tastes good and they subconsciously are trying to commit socially acceptable suicide through heart attack because they don’t care about living longer but just enjoying sensual pleasures until they croak, regardless of who they hurt in the process. That is how they are trained to be from birth.
What was this moment, then?
And where did those “for every animal you don’t eat, I will eat three” shirts come from?
Some of it is conscious performative assholery.
That shit is a tiny sliver of hyper online weirdos
No. It isn’t. I’ve seen it, personally, from people in my real life, in person. My mom’s boyfriend, one of my sister’s partners, like half the people my dad invited to his wedding. Carnists love to brag about how much meat they eat. It absolutely is performative for quite a lot of them.
I even have a theory as to why you haven’t noticed it (which I admit I could be wrong about). Here’s my theory: you’re not vegan. Just like cis people often fail to recognize when they’re performing gender, carnists often fail to realize that they eat performatively, because it’s “normal” and “everyone” acts the same.
Agreed. I’ve known these people too and I’m unfortunately related to some of them.
But for that particular person you replied to, that can’t possibly be because “LE STEAK IS LE DELICIOUS” and anything you say contrary to that is “EMBARRASSING” and you’re “TOO ONLINE” if you disagree with them.
The internet and the offline world are not that separated anymore. It’s almost impossible to function in contemporary society without an online presence.
What is your goal here, anyway?
To convince my comrades to make better arguments so they’re not so embarrassing.
Being that mad about a perceived threat to your le delicious le steaks is embarrassing to me, as is being this very online about what you are accusing everyone else of being very online about.
comrade, you look like the mad and online one.
That is wild. I’ve cut back on meat consumption to only once or twice a week and advocate to people who want to try vegetarian/veganism but struggle with it to just approach it gradually rather than all or nothing. I make the argument that if we all reduced our consumption by 50-80% that would go a lot further than only a few people reducing their consumption 100%.
Now I’m not so sure. Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
Movie Idea: “Shawshank Redemption” meets the Campfire scene from “Blazing Saddles.”
Working Title: The Gulag Fart-I-smell-ago.
Maybe we just need to put these 12% freaks in a gulag and feed them nothing but beans for a few years.
this is the way
i had not thought about it, but this does not surprise me. the ideology of the US is to make the wealthiest asshole in a room of 10 people feel completely free to ruin everyone else’s experience/lives.
i remember when i was much younger and first recognizing the environmental destruction of overconsumption and the shittiness of rich people stunting on poor people, and not for anything so noble as “feeding kids”. rather, “i’m gonna buy a hummer and drive across country” or “i’m buying a fashion accessory for $2500.” i would impulsively say, “that’s stupid. you’re an asshole” to those people.
and, right on cue, other americans would swarm me and say, from the script, “it’s their money. they have every right to spend it how they want.” for 9 out of 10 of us in the US, that thinking is still dumb, but probably not undermining community or the biosphere. but there’s the 1 asshole that sees their personal power in the moment as an invitation to wreck the place. to piss all over the sink in a restaurant. to break the public phone or steal the phonebook. to take all the candy in the bowl. to not wash their hands after a shit.
there’s one person in a room of 10 that needs a constant reminder that their actions have consequences and if they are an asshole, the other 9 are within their power to smack some sense into them.
Hot take: I think the liberal abhorence of physical violence in schools in self defense of bullies. I don’t think there’s a good way around it or we should just let it get back to the “good ol’ days”, but kids who defend themselves often get the book thrown at them. I worked in schools years ago, and most of the time admin would suspend the kid who defended themselves with a wink and a nod to the kid to let them know they actually did the right thing by punching the bully in the nose. I saw a white rich girl get a black eye from the black girl she was being overtly racist to (even calling her the n word), and staff all felt it was justified. But there’s a small contingent of administrative staff on school boards that will expedite expelling kids for these situations, which I also saw happen.
Idk, I just feel like if you’re hurting people, people can and will kick your ass, and that’s actually a valuable lesson.
other americans would swarm me and say, from the script, “it’s their money. they have every right to spend it how they want.”
It’s almost painful to me how accurately this describes most Americans.
America is the most heavily propagandized nation in the history of the world.
“I have free choice, so that means every available choice is morally corrrect” is possibly a founding brainworm of American capitalism.
Finally, our very own “Despite making up only 12% of the population…” Stat.
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Can’t say I’m really surprised. I call America the Burger Reich for a reason.
CW: Nazi shit
Guess the third reich didn’t have the paint bucket tool
This is actually a statistical error. Beef Georg, who lives in a cave in Colorado and eats 60,000 cows a day, is an outlier and should not be counted
the rough equivalent of more than one hamburger – daily.
WHAT HAVE WE BEEN FUCKING CALLING THESE PEOPLE SINCE BEFORE THIS STUDY BEGAN?!!!
BURGER AMERICANS 🍔 🍔 🍔
bro their stomachs must be fucked
“disproportionate beef eaters”, defined as those who… eat more than four ounces – the rough equivalent of more than one hamburger – daily.
Feel like most people eating meat are usually eating chicken anyway
American diets are obscene, but in terms of carrying capacity and ecology, a mildly omnivore diet still feeds more people than a vegan diet, due to the presence of land that is unsuitable for cultivation, in-between periods of dry/cold weather where crops struggle to grow, etc
Also consider the pests that cropland attracts, which under a holistic pre-colonial agriculture mode (which produces more calories per acre at the expense of more human labor required), would have often been dealt with through killing (and eating)
https://i.postimg.cc/Hs3NchBJ/y54eh6t6f.png
Basically, a sustainable omnivore diet would have less meat, a lot less beef, and more varied sources of meat (possum, raccoon, etc)
Medieval animal use patterns are way greener than what we have now. Pigs acted as garbage disposals, then by day a professional swineherd would take everyone’s pigs out to the forest. Cows and sheep ate grass off useless rocky land, and were walked to where they’d be slaughtered.
But I don’t really think this is a deep argument for how things should be today. How can you restructure cities so pigs can commute between homes and the forest? How can cows walk all the way to pasture and back to the city for slaughter? I don’t think it’s actually possible; the density of modern cities breaks these models. But that same density is ecologically required a thousand other ways.
if you force rich people to use their stashed-away wealth to fund this stuff then it’s a non-issue
everyone in NYC already eats pork, they can eat pork the same way they do now. Animal agriculture only accounts for 6% of emissions total (even when you include these dumb unhealthy beef-guzzling white males) while transportation is 30%
if that’s even true it could only be relevant in a world where there’s not enough agricultural land to support growing plants fit for human consumption, which is not the world we live in
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With enough time and research we could meet everyone’s caloric needs with vat grown algae taking up the land area the size of Los Angeles.
getting everyone to eat the algae is not going to be fun, but it would be an excellent backup to send to food scarce regions. Although the thought of just shoving some light greens at people instead of just giving them regular food seems shitty
Happiness is not our main concern.
theres a difference between doing what we can with what we have and feeding everyone goop
Goddamn, at this point I’m starting to wonder what problems even fucking are normally distributed in some sense. It’s the same as guns and car pollution, fuck. Beef is expensive as hell these days anyway.
at this point I’m starting to wonder what problems even fucking are normally distributed in some sense
Well, things that are somewhat equally distributed. Can’t have a normal distribution in a society where things are distributed unequally. (wanted to do the rollsafe meme here but couldn’t find it)
what the fuck
I’m just assuming it’s the “You don’t eat meat? I’m going to eat three hamburgers to make up for it.” people.
Those people are loud and annoying but I doubt they make up an eighth of the United States
it’s the people who grew up with the “Beef. It’s what’s for dinner!” commercials
It’s not.
I think those people don’t exist outside your little rage circle
Jordan Peterson fans?
the beef people walk among us
Beef isn’t even that good, to be honest. I’ve also heard that beef is one of the most energy-demanding meats to produce.
When I still ate meat, I thought beef was pretty the only kind that didn’t taste horrible.
a lot of that is the feed they feed it. gamey steak is a very different taste, almost musky, you can kinda taste the grass in it too
part of it is the bland “corn-fed” diet that most cows are finished on, but a bigger part of it is just ruminant meats not having certain scents
even super gamey lamb and goat doesn’t feel as “smelly” to me as pork
Huh, that’s honestly really surprising to hear. Beef has one of the strongest smells and tastes, I always thought that would be the meat that people that don’t really like meat would hate.
Beef is a very “clean” meat in terms of odor and taste IMO. It makes sense to me that vegetarians would be more accepting of beef than other meats (apart from chicken breast).
Ruminant meats in general have this “clean” quality to them, but beef is the mildest of the rums
It really isn’t. I only like burgers because you get to season the meat properly and fill the buns with sauce and salad.
Steaks are also an incredibly mid food to me, they’re chewy and don’t taste like much at all, I’m pretty sure people that supposedly love steak are just virtue signalling.
Beef stews can be pretty good tho, but that’s only because of the veggies, spices and savoriness of the meat, which you could get from other stuff too anyway.
I’m not advocating for meat eating at all when I say this:
Steaks aren’t supposed to be chewy. It means you either got a trash cut or it was cooked wrong.
I fucking love steak. Not virtue signaling.
I also know it is bad for my health and the planet so i don’t eat it that often.
Not virtue signaling.
Not virtue signaling, just being the champion of every le steak consumer in the world by accusing criticism of le steak consumption of being “too online” and “embarrassing” all over this thread.
youre doing the same thing but for veganism, chill out
I usually respect your takes but “dae both sides” between carnists and veganism is a pretty bad take.
fair honestly
I mean I don’t see them as some opposing ideologies like the usual ‘both sides’ but I’m fine with an explanation on the subject.
I’m fine with an explanation on the subject.
fucking lol coming from a fellow armchair nobody
The time for that passed with that remark from you. You’re so hypocritically petty over this that it truly saddens me. I did think higher of you.
I like beef Gansu style but steaks are extremely overrated. And also usually prefer pork more
C A R N I S M
to expand, meat eating on a regular basis is an extremely recent thing
it is in no way “the natural order of things”
only rich people would eat meat more than ~ once per month at besti mean, people would eat eggs and milk all the time. same with fish. idk what culture youre referring to here, even inland places in europe had people fishing all the time. like 10 hens can produce so many eggs you dont know what to do with them. and a decently large flock of sheep has enough of them dropping dead naturally that you can eat sheep for a whole month (people really underestimate how much meat is on a whole ass sheep or cow, that can last one family a loooong time).
in fact populations in europe that didnt eat fish regularly would thin out and die off because vitamin d was in a very short supply during the little ice age and the actual ice age (around the time light skin developed 20-50k years ago, this was a very strong selection pressure). without proper levels of vitamin d you end up being unable to carry babies.
It seems like people think “oh, they only ate roughly one American meal’s worth of meat a week/month? Must have been all at once as a treat then,” instead of the more likely case of an ounce or two a day going into a family’s boiled grain slop or stew to flesh it out and make it more palatable, tallow finding its way into various things, marrow ending up in stocks, etc. It’s the quantity and role of meat in American diets that’s just a “within the last century” sort of development, not its presence at all.
Like people weren’t going and getting a double cheeseburger with a week’s wages once a month, they were getting (or rationing) a half pound of salted pork or beef or sausage once a week/month and using it as an ingredient in other dishes.
perpetual stews were really common back in the day for sure
also like i said, its pretty trivial even now to go fishing for food despite the massive reduction in marine life. especially in northern europe, it was very common to eat fish all the time. we also know the inuits had an almost purely seal, whale, berries, and fish diet. plains tribes also had pretty high meat diets.
idk, i just think its revisionist to act like high meat intake is a new thing. plenty of historical conditions made high meat intake the only way to do things. obviously eating such high amounts of beef cant be good for you, but its not like people lived particularly long in the eras we’re talking about (though if you lived past 40 odds are youd live to semi-normal life expectancy these days), so that wouldnt catch up with them.
but it’s still very telling that when you give people enough money land and wealth, many of them start eating more meat, while very few of them start eating less. Chinese people rocketed their meat consumption over the last 30 years, and I really don’t think anyone was propagandizing them to do so
obviously not the obscene American pounds of meat a day, but maybe 4 oz of total animal flesh per day would be a reasonable standard.
There’s also a very telling trend in India where all the vegetarian states just happen to consume more dairy and have a high rate of lactase persistence compared to the meat/fish eating states
eating meat in itself is natural, although on a regular basis is quite new and should be taken away
Little dark age: Western beef consumption
