The new data — comprehensive and definitive — should put to rest the countervailing narratives over Musk’s management of the app. Under his stewardship, X’s daily user base has declined from an estimated 140 million users to 121 million, with a widening gap between people who check the app daily vs. monthly. X’s remaining daily users are engaged similarly as before. But the pool is shrinking. Apptopia pulls its data from more than 100,000 apps on iOS and Android, along with publicly available sources.

So apparently it lost only 13% of daily users? Thats a smaller number than I thought. Still bad news for Twitter though.

On the other hand, it shows the power of content creators and niche communities. I used less Twitter but cannot delete it because it is literally how I connect with my niche community on there.

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    So what’s the consensus here? Does social media not include things where people use usernames, or do Reddit and maybe even Lemmy count?

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      Reddit and Lemmy are definitely social media. A subreddit or Lemmy community is effectively the same idea as a Facebook group, just with pseudonyms.

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        The quantifiably different thing about lemmy is nobody is trying to trap you in a skinner box.

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          I mean it kind of ends up being a Skinner box anyway just because of the loop of scrolling, seeing a post, looking at it and repeating. But I agree nobody is actively trying to trap you in one.

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          Social media has always excluded forum like sites.

          So are you saying that Facebook Groups aren’t social media either? That’s a forum like site. Tumblr isn’t social media either?

          This is Merriam-Webster’s definition of social media:

          forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)

          This is Cambridge’s:

          websites and computer programs that allow people to communicate and share information on the internet using a computer or cell phone

          Lemmy and Reddit both fall under these definitions.

          Reddit technically added followers, but you cannot see nor interact with them,

          Not sure what you mean by this… Reddit has had chats and PMs for a long time.

          It most definitely does not include anonymous sites

          Neither Lemmy nor Reddit are anonymous. They’re pseudonymous. Something like 4chan where you don’t even need an account is anonymous.

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              literally every single website on the entire planet meet those definitions.

              Complain to the dictionaries about it, then :) for now I’m sticking with the dictionary definitions.

              but anonymous means it does not require real information

              Every post you make on Reddit or Lemmy is tied to your username. There’s only one snowe@programming.dev and every post under that username is made by you. That’s why it’s pseudonomous, not anonymous - it forms an identity for you.

              An anonymous system would have no way to tell that your posts are by the same person. See something like 4chan. You could post a comment or thread under the name “snowe”, but it’s anonymous because anyone can do that. There’s no way to connect your posts together.

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      I should have said with the exception of Lemmy. Not sure I’m getting enough value to continue using it either honestly.

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      I view the term “social media” as a continuum and not a box. There are degrees of “social media” with the extreme being sites built around using people’s “real-life” identities.

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        Well, social media has a definition. It is any media that allows you to be social. No matter if it is anonymous or not.

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      i am afraid that consensus among general population increasingly is “words mean exactly what you want them to mean at any given moment”. welcome to post-factual age.

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        Nah, language has always been in flux. We’re not going to become babbling morons any time soon. I mean, we even have writing now so we can save up a definition to adopt or reject later; that’s fairly new in human history.

        What is a bit different is that we have to talk about a lot of things that didn’t exist a generation ago, but that’s only a matter of quantity. Every branch of the Indo-European language family adopted it’s own term for iron when it arrived, for example, so I’m sure we’ll settle on some sort of consistent English terminology for different kinds of platforms. We’re just not there yet, as the replies I got show.

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          yeah, no.

          the person who wrote “look at me, i am so cool, i am not using social networks” on a social network didn’t do that because they would be confused by new technology that didn’t exist generation ago, they did that because it worked for narrative they tried to present. and unfortunately it is more and more common and it is not a problem related to technology, just look at any political discussion.

          so while what you said is true, it is not very relevant to the discussed problem.

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        Social media has always excluded forum like sites. Social media has a strict definition

        social media has never excluded anything. it wouldn’t even be possible, and that is because there is no supreme authority that could issue some strict definition that would be legally binding for everyone 😆

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            Social media has a strict definition social media didn’t come about until after the advent of facebook so yes, by definition it excludes anything before then.

            of course, sweetie. and just out of curiosity, what strict definition from some respectable authority other than you are you working with? 😂


            social media, n. Websites and applications which enable users to create and share content or to participate in social networking.


            social media, noun : forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos)



            long story short, social media is more than facebook.

            social media didn’t come about until after the advent of facebook so yes, by definition it excludes anything before then. Forum software existed for decades at that point.

            yes, they did. decades before facebook. you just said that. what you probably wanted to say is that the term didn’t come out until… well here is the news for you. the term usually comes after the phenomenon it is describing, not the other way around. it doesn’t work like “hey guys, i have cool term - social media - now we just have to invent some” 🤣

            anyone’s social media definition, except it seems like you

            nice projection there. have fun.