• prole@sh.itjust.works
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    8 months ago

    Everyone knows Hamas seized power about a half century after the British two-state division.

    Perhaps you’re not in the US, but no. This is absolutely not true. You’re wildly overestimating the number of people who have a contextual understanding of this situation.

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      8 months ago

      I’m an American living in Europe. In both countries, I’d say people are aware there is a context. Maybe they don’t fully know what the context is, but they know there is a context.

      But again, you don’t need context to condemn Hamas. You might need it to understand Hamas, but you don’t need it to condemn Hamas.

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        8 months ago

        Again, wildly overestimating the intelligence of the average American. Especially when it comes to history of things that aren’t in America. Or just history in general.

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          8 months ago

          In my experience abroad, Americans have a decent handle on it, at least compared to Europeans. I’ve met more than one Irish person who, for example, did not know that the Six Day War ever happened.

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            8 months ago

            LOL I would bet on the average European over the average US citizen any time on that question.

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              8 months ago

              I don’t disagree in the main, but I’d stipulate that Americans who have traveled extensively tend to be more informed than those who haven’t. So it’s a little more believable in the context of OP being an expatriate, and presumably associating with others of their ilk. Also, this isn’t a quality unique to Americans.

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                8 months ago

                Thanks boo. You know so much about my life and know precisely what I have and have not done. Does acting like this make you feel better? It should make you feel shame, but you may not be capable of that.

                • bouncing@partizle.com
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                  8 months ago

                  You’re the one who, for ego or fake Internet points or whatever, just throws around trite stereotypes without any experience or data. Just lazy shit like, “hurp, derp, Americans dumb.” It doesn’t make you a bad person, it just means you’re lazy and ignorant. That’s fine though. You can be lazy and ignorant.

              • prole@sh.itjust.works
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                8 months ago

                Are you addressing the entirety of the US population with this comment?

                Yes, Americans should travel more. You have no idea where the person you replied to has been.

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        8 months ago

        But again, you don’t need context to condemn Hamas.

        You can condemn the actions, but if you want to fix the problem, then you better learn the context in which the actions take place. Otherwise it’s just going to be centuries more of throwing bombs at each other.

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          8 months ago

          You can condemn the actions, but if you want to fix the problem, then you better learn the context in which the actions take place.

          According to Hamas, their grievance is that Jews are alive. I’m not going to address that grievance.

          Otherwise it’s just going to be centuries more of throwing bombs at each other.

          That seems likely, but just denying the objectives of Hamas isn’t going to bring peace either. For the last 20 years, the international community has been trying to follow the Oslo and Camp David peace accords, but there’s been only one even remotely interested partner.

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        8 months ago

        Pretty sure the average American would struggle to find Israel on a map, let alone know that there is context to the current situation.

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          8 months ago

          As an American, it’s sad of me to say this, but trying to get an American to be able to tell you the location of just all 50 states in the US would be problematic.

          Our education system situation has truly been downgraded for quite a while.