• ironhydroxide@partizle.com
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    1 year ago

    Terrible journalism. He was sleep deprived after having taken mushrooms 48hrs before, and not slept for 40hrs.

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      1 year ago

      More road accidents happen due to sleep deprivation than alcohol, so this tracks. But we can’t have war on sleep deprivation, can we?

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      1 year ago

      Holy shit, how much did he take? I can do grams from sundown to sun up and all I want to do after that is go to bed.

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        Sure, you want to go to bed but can you really sleep? The first few times I couldn’t sleep at all and had to usually wait until the following evening. I am used to it now, so sleep isn’t a huge issue like it once was.

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    1 year ago

    thought he was having a nervous breakdown

    Is there really a difference between thinking you’re having a nervous breakdown and actually having one?

    Btw, saying this as a huge fan of psychedelics, please don’t take any shrooms and drive. Or fly. Or do anything other than lie peacefully in a quiet place and explore your mind.

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      1 year ago

      Can I ask…. How many shrooms do you have to take for it to go 48 hours like that?

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        It depends on the person, but trips like that may take a fuck ton, multiple times. I have heard of multi-day trips before that were caused because of doses higher than 15-20g. Napkin math puts that in the 150mg-200mg range of actual psilocybin. Regardless, it would be processed out of the body in about 24hrs. I am personally skeptical of multi-day trips, but they probably do happen.

        There are plenty of caveats, so give me time to explain.

        The effects on the brain after a trip can go into the multi-day range. For my trips I take between 3-3.5g depending on how I feel. I’ll peak about an hour after and trip fairly hard for 3-5 hours. (It’s also to be noted that the shrooms I grow are generally on the mid-high end of potency.) The afterglow, or come-down, takes another 4 hours or so and I’ll still see a literal glow around things or mild visuals. This is where my super-social personality comes out, and I love that part. If the night is going to be long, I’ll probably end up eating in in upwards of 10g more through the evening just to maintain very long come-down. Peaking again is possible, but it’s unlikely.

        For a couple of days after, I still feel something. It’s more of a mental clarity or an alternate perspective on things. It’s hard to describe.

        Edit: It’s speculated to act similar to a SSRI antidepressant in that regard. It reduces serotonin uptake for those receptors and increases serotonin availability in other parts of the brain.

        What is happening, and from what I understand, is that psilocybin is an extreme 5-HT2A agonist. It saturates those receptors and tends to stick around for a bit when it does. This results in rapid tolerance to psilocybin since there won’t be any receptors left for it to “agonize”. It can take a week or more of abstinence to get the same level of trip with a similar dose.

        You can game your body for a little bit, but you have to double-down on the dose. If you tripped yesterday off of 5g, you would need to eat 10g today and 20g the next and so on. For a 48hr trip, assuming his reaction is “normal” (if there is such a thing) he would of had to double down every 4-6 hours or so. Either way, it’s a lot of shrooms to eat and your stomach will absolutely punish you for it.

        There is a little science behind this, but the experience and dosages are extremely variable from person to person.

        I am not a doctor or a scientist. I read a fuck-ton on this subject from real studies from reputable universities. Search YouTube for some of the more recent lectures coming out of U.C. Davis if you don’t like to read. Still, that doesn’t make me an expert and I only truly know my own tolerance and experiences.

        You will inevitably stumble across Paul Stamets as well. He literally wrote most of the first books about psilocybin and mushroom cultivation. While he is a knowledgeable and almost inspirational person, he does lean heavily into subjective experience. That’s fair, but it is what it is and he does mention it himself. And he owns a medical mushroom company. However, I respect that he doesn’t hide his own bias.

        This subject is extremely understudied at the moment.

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          1 year ago

          Thank you for that!

          One more quick one, that “clarity” for a few days after, is that basically what people are looking for when they talk about microdosing?

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            Yep. It can take a bit to find a dose that low enough to not get a full-on buzz while still getting the positive effects from it.

            The biggest problem is that psilocybin content per shroom, strain and specific grow is wildly variable. It’s better to get a larger batch from the same harvest of the same strain, grind it to an extremely fine powder and then find a good dose. More experimentation is required for the next batch you get. (Powdering shrooms normalizes the amount of active compounds per dose.)

            I have only dabbled in microdoses. The main reason is that my trips are always borderline “heroic doses” at around 50mg of psilocybin, with the how strong my shrooms tend to be. Heroic doses get their name for a reason. Synesthesia (full sensory confusion) and near collapse of normal visual processing starts to happen at that level. Needless to say, it takes a bit for my brain to fully process those experiences.

            Disclaimer: Even though I have a bit of practice, I have had an occasional rough experience at my dosage levels. Managing emotions in that state can be quite a challenge. All in all, no experience has been truly bad for me. Rough, but never bad.

            On a scale of 1 to 7, a microdoses should be in sub-0.5 range, if even that. (Josie Kins and her sister(?) have done an extremely good job of classifying the psychedelic experience as “levels”: https://youtu.be/UQRfTD6AXPs?si=sfJc3pSYIvYBOVG6)

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    Emerson said it was his first time taking mushrooms”. ya fkn right, ill take lies for $500 Alex. Who does magic mushrooms on a plane for their first time, spoiler, no one.

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    Even if he was, and I’m guessing he wasn’t, high on mushrooms. How does that make it any different than if he passed out at the controls while drunk? Highlighting mushrooms feels like a conservative push

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      He wasn’t at the controls. He was hitching a ride on a flight piloted by somebody else, which isn’t unusual for pilots. You should read the full story, but this is what I understand what I heard earlier.

      He was already depressed and had lost somebody close to him recently. Did mushrooms, (presumably) had a bad trip, doesn’t sleep for the next 48 hours, then boards the flight as a passenger. Apparently he was suicidal and felt like he was dreaming so he probably didn’t have a full sense of the consequences of his actions; I don’t think he was out to kill anybody but himself. Told the flight crew “you better get me off this flight or it’s going to get bad” or something to that effect after already acting out and needing to be restrained. Then they make an emergency stop to let him off.

      I’m for legalizing psychedelics, but unfortunately it seems the mushrooms are integral to the story. Although it should be said that this guy very clearly wasn’t in a state to be doing psychedelics without any professional supervision, guidance, and/or aftercare. I’ve said all that I know about the story here, and it’s admittedly very little, but chances are that a little bit of education would have gone a long way to prevent this.

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    The last time I was on mushrooms I stumbled into a temple I could only describe as doomy and watched a guy rip a heart out of another guy’s chest! It was wild. Then when it was my turn the guy kept asking what I wanted to order. I said “I’ll order anything, just let me keep my heart” and he responded “Do you want fries with that?” True story, it was later made into a Hollywood blockbuster called Demolition Man and the rest is history.

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        As someone who’s been severely sleep deprived before, I hope he gets help and not prison. I don’t know what led to him being awake for 40hrs, but something makes me think it wasn’t the shrooms that kept him awake because, afaik, they should have worn off long before he boarded the flight.

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          I’ve never taken shrooms but every single shroom-related story I’ve ever been told has ended with “…and then I fell asleep.”

          Usually after “So I took some shrooms and watched The Wall…”

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    1 year ago

    The 'ol “high on magic mushrooms” defense. … Hope he doesn’t plan on representing himself, too.