• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    Sounds like you are surprised when confronted with what somebody who actually lived in a communist country tells you about it. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you think you know more about communism than people who actually experienced it though. That’s very American of you.

    • crackajack@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Very arrogant and presumptuous of you think I’m an American.

      If you are what you claim you are, what can you say about gulags and the purges in the Soviet Union?

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        US has a higher prison population today than USSR did even under Stalin. So, if gulags are bad, then clearly what we see under capitalism is even worse. Meanwhile, not sure what specifically you need to be told about the purges. All revolutions are messy, and require purging the regressive elements.

        What’s really telling is that people like you always have to reach back to the days right after the revolution to find something to complain about ignoring all the decades of how USSR developed after. You’ve just memorized a handful of tropes and you regurgitate them thinking that you’re making some intelligible points here.

        • crackajack@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 year ago

          The purges happened years after the Bolsheviks gained power. The gulags continued until the fall of the Soviet Union.

          So, what would you say about hundreds and thousands of people arrested for simply making a joke, owning a farm, being captured soldiers who escaped from German captivity, making mistakes on a job, the music apparently isn’t working class enough. What do you make of these accounts?

            • crackajack@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Gulag, labour camps. They’re still prison camps in different name as per the same article you cited: “The Gulag institution was closed by the MVD order No 020 of January 25, 1960 but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36 until 1987 when it was closed.”

              You still haven’t addressed the accounts of those imprisoned. What do you make of those who were arrested? Do you approve or disapprove of the arrests, before and after Stalin’s rule?

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                1 year ago

                What part of US has higher prison concentration per capita than USSR ever did are you still struggling with?

                What’s more, US prison system amounts to literal slave labour. So, if your argument is that communism is bad because USSR had gulags, then it’s clear that capitalism is far worse in this regard. The fact that you still haven’t addressed this further exposes what an utter clown you are.

                Meanwhile, why don’t you address the accounts of people imprisoned in US concentration camps on the border, or those of people held in torture camps like Guantanamo. What do you make of those who were arrested? Do you approve or disapprove of the arrests under capitalist rule?

                • crackajack@reddthat.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  Classic Russian whataboutism. It never gets old, does it? You don’t answer a question with a question. You answer with an answer. A child would even know this. How many times will people tell you, most of the US prisoners are detained not for political reasons. The US isn’t also representative of capitalist countries.

                  What do you make of China having second largest prison population then?

                  Again, do you approve or disapprove of those detained under communist regimes?

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    I love how you immediately start screeching whataboutism when faced with your double standards. The fact that you don’t understand that you have to hold different systems to the same standard shows that you’re an intellectually impoverished person.

                    Any problems seen under communism are also seen under capitalism, and they’re often far worse. That’s the context for comparing the systems, is one system creating more problems than the other. Even a child could comprehend that, but evidently you are unable to.

                    How many times will people tell you, most of the US prisoners are detained not for political reasons. The US isn’t also representative of capitalist countries.

                    Who gives a shit for what reason US claims it detains all the people for. The fact that it detains by far the highest percentage out of any country is what actually matters. Also, if you think that systemic racism is a better reason to detain people that says a lot about you as a person.

                    What do you make of China having second largest prison population then?

                    I think that further exposes you either an idiot or a liar because China doesn’t have the second largest prison population.

                    Again, do you approve or disapprove of those detained under communist regimes?

                    I think that’s a loaded question asked in bad faith. I don’t think every person detained under communism was detained for a good reason, just the same as I don’t think that every person detained under capitalist regimes is detained for a good reason. However, what I do know for a fact is that capitalist regimes detain far more people than communist ones. That’s the real elephant in the room that you keep dancing around because you’re an intellectually dishonest individual.