Dude’s an ultra
Bonus: https://nitter.net/uncle_authority/status/1721967810241335347#m
I guess the Deprogram guys are the Three Stooges now? But the joke doesn’t really work
guy named Hakim from Iraq is Muslim, white people are shocked and appalled
Who is surprised? Roderic isn’t, as far as this tweet goes. It’s just the mixing of idealistic reasoning with Marxist reasoning to try to bring people to Marxism from Islam. It’s a method that communists call opportunism and claim, because of materialist philosophy, can only lead to incorrect interpretations and failure of socialist movements. Palestinians have material and religious reasons to resist, but the marxist analysis should focus on the material and how religion connects, not the other way
I also feel like it was said with a level of tongue in cheek facetiousness. Pointing to HAMAS’ use of religion as an ideological underpinning, and then saying “I’m recommend a book on the subject” and the book is the fucking Quran is… Very obviously a bit about Hakim’s tendency to recommend obscure theory books.
I for one am shocked that members of the Islamic Resistance Movement find value in an Islamic text.
nothing like a terminally online slapfight between minor e-celebs
I wonder what it would take for people on this website to realize that their parasocial daddies can be and often are incorrect. Roderic took a poor communicative tact, but it’s obvious to any Marxist that what Hakim wrote is, well, rather silly in its implications. Being charitable, Hakim’s view is likely skewed by personal favoritism and this error would be much less likely to come up if he was discussing other religions. Otherwise, one would be forced to conclude that he was catastrophically ignorant about the political functions of religion and the social basis for its creation, and completely oblivious to this ignorance.
Christman fucks up plenty too.
Christman fucks up plenty too.
But that’s because he’s our modern Harrier Du Bois. It comes with the territory
Even Tequila Sunset is only human, and I could never fault him for that.
I would maybe shut up and listen to someone who is closer to the situation, but then again I’m just a corgi with a laptop, the fuck do I know?
Roderick being terminally online is normal for him, like that time he wanted a teacher sitcom to have a school shooting episode and triple down
Wow he would love this site. Get a lot of kicks calling people fascist for kinda enjoying a Netflix show or something.
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His ultimate point was also not really about it being good or bad in quality, he just has the position that artists have a social responsibility and got mad that the show decided against portraying a reality(school shootings in the USA) because it would be discomforting, as a basic summary. He doesnt like slop.
What are his thoughts on Turning Red not mentioning 9/11
I think that dissertation is on hold currently due to the Hakim opportunism situation, sadly.
If he wants to make a point about artists having a social responsibility to accurately portray reality, he should’ve just said sitcoms are a reactionary genre and artists with a desire to produce revolutionary work ought to not be involved in the production of sitcoms. Because sitcoms make most of their money through syndication, reaired episodes aren’t shown in order. This means sitcom episode always reset to a status quo, which means you’ll never be able to portray the effects of lasting change. From this, a school shooter episode wouldn’t work because the following episodes would all have to pretend a school shooting never happened, and while that could be used as a commentary on school administration, even the characters would have to pretend the school shooting never happened.
This is what I meant earlier about him being a pseud. I don’t know if he’s genuinely this pig-headed or if he’s just purposefully being edgy, but the effect is still the same.
It would have been right in line with 90s TV. You’d just replace the gun with a toy knife and run a Much Ado About Nothing plotline where everyone accuses each other of owning it in a silly mix up with a serious message.
they shot carlton on prime time in the 90’s
Assuming you’re talking about Fresh Prince, that was Will. Carlton then gets a gun in a promise of revenge.
right yeah, carlton gets spun out on pills i think
i love red sails, but RD needs to shut the fuck up on twitter. or maybe focus on promoting theory and engaging in legitimate, helpful criticism instead of smearing other socialist content creators on the pettiest straw man shit
I do think Hakim’s take is pretty bad here. It’s a very idealist belief that’s fundamentally not compatible with trying to understand the situation trough a materialist lense.
Implying he’s a reactionary opportunist is just such a massive overreaction though. You’re allowed to criticize other socialists without being insufferable about it.
I think your comment is exactly showing something that we as communists should be aware of: calling someone an opportunist or a reactionary is not some heavenly stamp which forever makes that person incorrect or evil or some shit. Calling someone opportunist only needs to mean “currently in the process we call opportunism” and nothing more. We decide whether that’s true and expect the comrade to change or not depending on that result. If they don’t change after being opportunist then they are still performing that opportunism.
Roderic doesn’t think Hakim is evil or something, that’s more idealist than believing in religion generally, just that the claims to religious power are opportunistic and through that Hakim is performing opportunism. We can disagree, but the idea that we can’t call someone something because it’s mean, even when that thing is a concrete description of a process, is bullshit that we take from some western Christian beliefs of unwashable guilt (without Jesus or whatever).
Also to be clear, I disagree with Roderic only because I think that Hakim is doing the “their religion becomes material to their lives” thing and it seems probably true based on the form of resistance Palestinians are doing. The fact that he is also religious makes it complexer (and possible that he should not try to connect it to Marxism) but I’m not bothered by it until we’re already far enough in socialism that religion’s material presence isn’t necessary anymore.
That’s a really good point.
Maybe I read the tweet as being more aggressive towards Hakim than it was, because reading the word opportunism I just immediately assumed it’s accusing him of not being a real communist or whatever, instead of just criticizing what he’s doing right now.
Thanks for pointing it out, I’ll try to be more mindful of that.
With comradely love
Also to add, distinguishing s person from their actions is also something we should avoid. He is criticizing Hakim AS the Hakim who is doing this. Not just Hakim as a person or Hakim’s actions. But redoing through self-crit changes the incorrect person too and makes this not some “heavenly stamp” as I called it. We just can’t be scared of being critiqued for our actions as ourselves, because our actions can’t be removed from “ourselves”
There’s a case to be made that their religion has become very ingrained with their day to day lives to the point that it’s indistinct from any other type of social organization they have. In that case the faith, religious ideology, and texts are a little secondary to things like their family structures, social infrastructure, support networks, and locations where they can organize. So in that sense their religion has become very material, which is often what happens. Religious belief can often be made very manifest in the world, reified through things like very tight social groups. Islam in much of the world, including Palestine, is as much a political organization as it is the more spiritual side of things.
Although I’d criticize Hakim for characterizing all Palestinians as Muslim, or saying that Islam is the primary thing that’s motivating them. Rather, it’s more the case that political Islam is the most organized game in town due to historical factors of the region. If it weren’t Islam, then people who want liberation would have something else, like how many Irish Republicans are Catholics. It is true though that 98% of Palestinians are Muslim, but that 2% who aren’t will probably also want liberation.
I’d claim Hakim has the correct take here, and Day’s is a vulgar materialist view that ignores the interplay of faith and material conditions.
That might be a credible take if, for instance, Hakim’s post so much as mentioned material conditions, or Roderic’s post was about the engine of history rather than Hakim’s post.
Your assessment is totally disconnected both from the content of Hakim’s post and from the content of Day’s tweet.
I mean no, it’s not. The main anti-colonial group left in Gaza, which is massively popular, is an organization whose primary driving force is Islam. Religion is an incredibly important cultural force that is a key driving factor for Gazans and other Palestinian people in this fight. That is a materialist analysis of the situation lol because that is what the Palestinians themselves are saying. Just look at the wording used by the people there: the dead aren’t the dead but ‘martyrs’, and this isn’t just a conflict but a ‘jihad’ (righteous fight).
Hakim is very correctly noting the obvious here in that a vast majority of the Palestinians are Muslim and that their faith is a primary driver of this conflict for them. Painting in broad strokes isn’t denying that there aren’t any secular Palestinians, but talking about how Palestinians are fighting back and resisting in aggregate / at a zoomed out level.
Saying that the primary driving force behind Hamas is Islam is literally the exact opposite of material analysis.
Colonized people will resist their occupiers regardless of beliefs. The point isn’t that religion isn’t important to the people of Palestine, or that they can’t or shouldn’t find purpose or comfort in it. We should still not pretend that it’s the specific ideas they believe in that compels them to resist their occupiers.
Except it is the specific idea that compels them to resist their occupiers. Because they say it is. Saying otherwise is doing literally exactly the same thing that white Americans did that caused indigenous native Americans to have to change their practices, which they did not see as religious, to fit into the western white European understandings of the word ‘religion’ in order to receive government funding. Even if a Marxist or materialist analysis of the situation says in general that oppressed peoples ‘usually’ or ‘always’ react a specific way because of a specific force, you’re missing the point that that is a scientific theory. It is an abstraction. That does not mean it is reality or the only way of viewing a situation.
Your understanding of the situation and how it fits in with your worldview is different than the point of view of the Palestinians actually experiencing the situation. Again, I want to point you to the broad literature of the study of religion that shows just exactly what happens when dudes with white, western ideas of how the world works try to impose those on native indigenous populations.
Your point of view of how the situation works, or your understanding of the powers at play, is not reality. That is your interpretation of reality, a very useful abstraction that is very usually right. But that abstraction has contexts where it is appropriate to apply it, and contexts where it is inappropriate to apply it. And trying to apply it to deny the very real primary motivation that Palestinian people say is motivating them is not a great place to apply that abstraction.
The comment you’re responding is taking the opposite stance of what you’re accusing it of, it’s noting the importance of Islam, not trying to impose some sort of colonial mindset on the Palestinians.
But its point seems to be it really doesnt make much sense to read the Quran to understand the conflict when reading history or Lenin on imperialism or something would be far more useful. Maybe the Quran could give an interesting and more intimate perspective, but most westerners would be better served by history. Also the Palestinian struggle has been ongoing for a while and Hamas is not the only way to approach the conflict - even in the current conflict they are not the only ones involved.
Yeah, and what happened to the secular forces, I wonder? Did they just lack the stick-to-it-ness powers granted by religion, or were they actively trampled by forces that wanted the conflict in the region to have an ethnoreligious character?
an organization whose primary driving force is Islam
What Islam? A collection of beliefs? A set of believers?
The defining contention of materialism is that ideas are not the primary driver of history. Hakim’s post says, without qualification, that Islam is the driving force of the resistance.
The backflips folks are doing in this thread (including obliterating the very distinction between the ideal and the material, which is revisionism) to reconcile these two blindingly obvious, incompatible things are incredible.
That is a materialist analysis of the situation lol because that is what the Palestinians themselves are saying
Self-report (unadorned by any commentary or context, even) is ‘material analysis’ now? What?
Last sigh of the oppresed? how bout you do class analysis
Gaza is a bunch of lumpenproletariat and kids, jesus christ mate, they don’t have anything else to be strong outside of hope of religion. they dont control their lives in any way, israel is the camp guard counting their calories like the fuck
they don’t have anything else to be strong outside of hope of religion
This doesnt seem right to me. Palestinian people resist and persist because they are colonized people wanting liberation, self determination and through their will to live. Just like the Koreans did, just like the Vietnamese did, just like the Haitians or Algerians did. Just like hundreds of millions did under as bad or worse colonial or imperial opression. Palestinian resistance is admirable but it isnt something historicaly unique that needs the “hope of religion” or the “importance of islam” in order to exist or be explained. At best those are of symbolic importance and manifesting due to the particular superstructure in Gaza but the actual struggle and anti-colonial martyrdom and bravery is something that has been replicated again and again across massively different religious and cultural contexts.
Palestinian people persist and would have persisted just as much in the absense of Islam. If they were cristian , atheist or buddhist. As tens if not hudred sof thousands of non Muslim palestinians do and did. The Quran no matter how beautifuly written doesnt actualy provide any insight for a marxist in the analysis of how and why Palestinians persist and reading the biography of the Prophet and some book by a white dude that converted to islam are anything but foundemental in understanding or interpreting the palestinian struggle and neither are they particularly usefull for building or expanding any other struggle, neo-colonial or otherwise
Palestinians have everything most other opressed and colonized people had in order to be strong. And they are strong and would be strong outside of the “hope of Islam” .
I think you’re confusing critique of Gazans with critique of someone who is openly Marxist utilizing religion to explain the Gazans WITHOUT mentioning how their religion is material to them. It’s the fact that the tweets talk about Islam as a force above the material conditions. Hakim believes it, and I’m not bothered by that at all and support it, but do not appreciate the mix with materialism without being clear about that relationship. It’s kinda impossible to avoid as a believer and is a clear contradiction, but we have many more of those that are more important than religion/materialism at this point.
This is just regular Roderic, he takes things to peak seriousness and is allergic to not standing his ground on shit he thinks are fundamental matters of principle and theory.
Pretty much all his other recent posts are about the Palestinian genocide, he just thinks for whatever various reasons that this kind of thinking is opportunism and harmful rather than helpful, and because he is the way he is he feels he has to stand his ground on that point of theory.
Why are people latching on to this one tweet by Hakim lol
Latent Islamophobia tbh
Muslim man: says something positive about Islam
Westerners:
I didn’t understand a word of what that uncle_authority guy said.
“The deprogram guys are evil opportunists because: [insert perfectly normal quotes]”
Hmm, time to click on this thread about airhead social media personalities. Surely it’ll be lighthearted fun!
gets bowled over by a hundred post arguing about mmt
MMT deez nuts
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why is that uncle authority guy so mad about what’s a pretty innocuous post, he’s made like 20 subposts about it
terminally online malding
Hakim’s take is a little cringe but getting this worked up about it is orders of magnitude worse.
In retrospect, it reads like bait. Reminds me of the time during the Bush / Gore debate when Bush said Jesus was his favorite historical figure and Gore rolled his eyes, then spent the rest of the election apologizing for it.
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RD is literally the guy from the “no everything has to be serious at all times” meme. This is the level of posting that could kill you via brain aneurysm if you’re not careful.
He does this whenever he thinks hes got a hit tweet.
He once posted all day for like a full week about how he epic owned the nordics about food cause he posted “rotten reindeer cock” over and over, it used to be his bio like “destroyer of subhuman nordic cuisine” or something like that.
Lol hes like the platonic ideal of this site’s userbase
tbf the nordics are stupid pricks
I mean, we are, but have you considered that we actually eat rotten fish, fish preserved in lye, and blood sausage, rather than rotten reindeer cock?
ok that sounds correct though
i love the guys that are like, tryin to theorize the best, most marxist, politics while also vividly hallucinating that the year is 1921 and they have been asked to give a speech on how best to collectivize the Russian economy.
vividly hallucinating that the year is 1921 and they have been asked to give a speech on how best to collectivize the Russian economy
Which drug do you have to take to cause this specific hallucination? Asking for a friend.
He is like 75% correct posting with the confidence of someone who is 105% correct.
damn that sounds like me lol
HexBear in a nutshell
Online guy getting mad about religion
Flim at 11
Jesus Christ
All of these people need to log off and go do some irl organizing
I would be way happier just doing IRL organizing, but the German left is collapsing and half of it are Antideutsche and all the odd beliefs that consists of.
Instead, I just get angry at the Bozo of the day and the downward spiral online.
Understandable. Being in bad irl spaces is even more exhausting
