The virtual school says its hands are tied due to Florida’s “don’t say gay” law. However, the teacher has lodged a complaint against it.

  • magnetosphere@kbin.social
    2214·
    8 个月前

    “I was told that professor was not okay, Dr. was not okay for me because I didn’t have a Ph.D., but there are lots of people at FLVS who do use Dr., which, coincidentally, is also in violation of the same law I got disciplined for,” Vary said. They were told the other acceptable courtesy titles were Mrs., Ms., or Miss. Using “teacher” was also out of the question.“

    “We’re going to refuse every attempt at compromise, and force you to choose between abandoning your principles or your career. Why? Because we’re bastards. Fuck you.”

    Serious question, though: how does one pronounce Mx.?

  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1355·
    8 个月前

    Seems like a first amendment violation to me, but then again I’m not a Bible thumping fascist

    • admiralteal@kbin.social
      63·
      8 个月前

      Also 14th and 19th, plus the Civil Rights Act. A non-corrupt SCOTUS would toss the Florida law immediately, but absent a couple minutes under Warren we have never had one of those.

    • spider@lemmy.nz
      39·
      8 个月前

      Seems like a first amendment violation to me

      Never fear, those “conservatives” who are such responsible stewards of taxpayer dollars will gladly waste them to defend any forthcoming lawsuits.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
        7·
        8 个月前

        My blood boils every time they do this. If they just took the money they would have spent and set it on fire it would do less damage.

      • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        8 个月前

        It’s literally freedom from persecution from the government which is exactly what happened here. Stop parroting shit you’ve heard without understanding what it means

        I see you made a new account just to be a bigot. Pretty pathetic, really. Enjoy your imminent ban

  • admiralteal@kbin.social
    114·
    8 个月前

    They were told the other acceptable courtesy titles were Mrs., Ms., or Miss. Using “teacher” was also out of the question.

    After being denied Teacher, Professor, or Dr. as the title (the last because they did not have a PhD even though evidently others in the school go by Dr. without a PhD without discipline). And note that “Mr.” was apparently not an option?

    The school’s hands weren’t tied. They appear enthusiastic.

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
        41·
        8 个月前

        Like Latinx (though apparently most Latin American people don’t really like this from the last survey I saw). It’s a genderless way to refer to someone. You replace the gendered letters with x (like the most common variable name in math is, I assume, where it comes from).

          • MycoBro@lemmy.world
            49·
            8 个月前

            I got you back to zero but good luck. It’s not okay to pick on ANYONE not a white dude. So. Stop it. Also, every cd I burned in the early 00ts had for its 4th track metallicas “unforgiven” as both a homage and a fuck you.

      • oatscoop
        English
        31·
        8 个月前

        I’m getting to that age where there’s shit that’s weird and I “don’t get it”. My reaction to “Mx” is a resounding “… alright”.

        It doesn’t effect, inconvenience, or cost me anything to say. I can think of no good reason not to address someone “Mx” if they ask me to.

        • Stumblinbear@pawb.social
          1·
          8 个月前

          How do you even say it, what is its purpose, why does it matter? All of the possible ways I can think of pronouncing this sound absolutely stupid, same with fucking Latinx. There’s no actual way to pronounce the fuckin word

  • MycoBro@lemmy.world
    303·
    8 个月前

    I don’t understand trans people because I have never met one because they are the smallest group of people they could find to harass/hate. Which is insanity to me. I can’t overstate how unafraid I am for my children of a dude in a dress reading them “three billy goats gruff “Why the fuck make up monsters when churches exist!?

    • Prethoryn Overmind@lemmy.world
      10·
      8 个月前

      Because you create fear of those monsters that don’t exist by blowing up the image of those monsters to divert the monsters that exist within your own belief system.

      “Trans people are the problem with pedophilia.” You do that to those you have indoctrinated, young people with no mind of their own, and people who statistically fall into a category of superstition and believing in figments of their imagination, Big Foot, Aliens, God and you fuel that fire with hate with things like, "the atheists want our voices to go unheard so we should kill your friendly woke white woman that supports your friendly neighborhood poorly mistreated and culturally shit on Blackman/woman. You fuel that with hate until the minority becomes the target in your political and religious agenda to spread, “love in the name of Jesus Christ, or whatever religion is popular.” Because if the enemy is justified by your power and money and beliefs then the mass takes to ignoring the issues within your own system of power and money.

      So you tell your party or system, “be afraid because if we don’t target them first. They will target you, your guns, your wealth, your god, everything you believe. Everything you have to abuse the power you have now.” You do it because it keeps you in power.

      Fuck cons and fuck republicans and if you are reading this and going, “uh why I never…” Then you are a port of the problem. As yourself when is the last time someone who supported the color of the rainbow truly targeted you or your children. The answer is that person is more likely to be killed by you or your affiliates and so the answer is probably never. Now as yourself the last time someone who supports the confederate flag ran over a group of protestors. Fuck you too if you believe trans people, black people, or anyone that doesn’t believe in your saving God and political party is the problem because a woman should have a right to an abortion and you think your voice is going unheard when there is no law that says if you keep your kid you are against the law. Fuck you if you just support in killing as many people as possible but your answer is, “we should support our own first.” But you will complain about your taxes that supports a fuck ton of military power in the country but you don’t want to use it to protect others but are fine with fueling the weapons we have to protect our own and more.

      Fuck you if you if any of this pisses you off because you just can’t face the fact that your politics and God don’t love. They hate. Fuck you and the white ass elephant you road in on and refuse to acknowledge in the room.

    • Madison420@lemmy.world
      2·
      8 个月前

      Time and time again the people that go hard against gay rights get caught in homosexual relationships. In this case there’s quite a few “masculine” men who are attracted to transsexuals moreso in the case of the religious right who see the “temptation” of a transexual person as an act of the devil. They ignore the whole it’s not temptation unless you’re actually attracted to them part but they aren’t exactly the smartest kids in class either.

      • MycoBro@lemmy.world
        6·
        8 个月前

        I had a conversation with my partner once while working as a medic on an ambulance. He told me being gay was a choice and that they were sinners going to hell. All I could answer with was “so your telling me that every day you have to tell yourself ‘no. I choose not a to suck a dick. Not today.’ Because personally I’ve never had to choose” He became so angry that I had zero doubt he has thought about sucking dick.

  • jettrscga@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5535·
    8 个月前

    Mx. is a confusing title. How is it pronounced? “X” is an obnoxious letter choice to try to genericize gender.

    But the article shows this teacher tried several other reasonable titles, like “professor” and “teacher” that were also denied. That’s ridiculous, and clearly just targeting them.

    • agnomeunknown@lemmy.world
      618·
      8 个月前

      Please explain how you’d know how to pronounce Mrs as missus\mizzes without someone explaining it? It’s no more confusing than that archaic bullshit.

      • jettrscga@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3114·
        8 个月前

        They’re abbreviations for master and mistress. Of course those are archaic etymologies, but that’s how they evolved into abbreviations.

        The strange thing is that Mx is an abbreviation that doesn’t have a basis in a word as far as I know. It’s literally conforming to those heteronormative traditions and adapting them with an “X” bandaid.

        • agnomeunknown@lemmy.world
          3416·
          8 个月前

          The point is that the teacher is non binary and forced to choose an honorific. They wanted to use a neologism because there isn’t an established term and they were fired because of bigotry. It doesn’t really matter if the term makes sense to you or anyone else, it was their choice.

          Your comments reek of the same smug shittiness of people who throw a fit about they\them pronouns not being “grammatically correct” when singular they has been in use for ages.

          Non binary people exist, and if they are required by their job to use a formal title, they should have one that recognizes who they are.

          • jettrscga@lemmy.world
            124·
            8 个月前

            Your knee-jerk reaction is that any criticism of the word is a criticism of non-binary people. I explicitly made a point to explain that’s not the case. And I used “they” in my first comment, so I have no idea where you’re coming from.

            Treating any discussion as black and white and immediately becoming defensive isn’t helping as much as you think.

            There are plenty of titles they could use. The issue is this school rejected those other titles too, and that’s not right.

          • crashoverride@lemmy.world
            65·
            8 个月前

            You sound like you’re the type of person who gets offended for other people when in fact, those other people aren’t offended in the first place. I wish I could downvote you more than once

            • cricket99@lemmy.world
              15·
              8 个月前

              I don’t want to send me kids to a school where the teachers intentionally try to impose their made up beliefs on them. Is it too much to ask for teachers to stick to the subjects they are supposed to teach?

          • mriormro@lemmy.world
            44·
            8 个月前

            Your comments reek of the same smug shittiness

            Their comment doesn’t read this way at all. You’re just arguing past them.

        • djsoren19@yiffit.net
          123·
          8 个月前

          I kinda feel the same about Xe/Xim. I think the reasoning is just “they have to abide by the same conventions or people won’t get it.” It would be a lot cooler to just fully break away from those traditions and have something more eloquent, but language keeps taking the path of least resistance.

          • cricket99@lemmy.world
            14·
            8 个月前

            Sounds like a first world problem if I have ever heard of it. I think you can survive going as Ms or Mr.

        • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          8 个月前

          Mr./Mrs. are evolutions of language, like you said. They don’t really refer to the original words for the most part. Mx. is an evolution of the same language and just as easy to pronounce. Sure, it’s a “bandaid” if you want to call it that, but the English language is 90% bandaids. To rule out this one when there isn’t a good alternative for general use (prof. or teacher would be fine for this person, but not for someone who’s not a teacher) is pretty narrow minded.

      • cricket99@lemmy.world
        112·
        8 个月前

        Mr/Ms/Mrs all makes sense.

        Mr -> You are a male

        Ms -> You are a female

        Mrs -> You are a married female

        Mx -> You uhh feel like you are neither male or female or something. keyword being “feel”. The 3 above all are objective characteristics. The latter is not.

        An adult should be able to teach kids without feeling the need to impose their own wacky views on them. Just use mr or ms. You are an adult, you can handle it.

    • ABCDE@lemmy.world
      6021·
      8 个月前

      You not knowing how to pronounce something isn’t reason enough for it not to exist.

      • jettrscga@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3118·
        8 个月前

        I’m not saying it is, but it should be enough to start a discussion on whether there’s a better, more easily pronouncable term while we’re in a discussion about titles.

        • AppleJuiceGoblin@lemmy.world
          201·
          8 个月前

          If I really think about it, what makes Mr. Or Ms. any easier to pronounce? They are actually a bit less intuitive because they are abbreviations.

          As far as two letters go, I feel like Mx. is just one step removed from Mix, so it seems easy to me. Perhaps Mr. and Ms. are just easier to accept because we have lived with them our whole life. A lot of the English language seems weird when we step outside of it.

          • jettrscga@lemmy.worldEnglish
            135·
            8 个月前

            Mr. is derived from master and Ms. is derived from mistress. Their pronunciation is derived from their etymology.

            I agree though that common usage plays a part.

            • ABCDE@lemmy.world
              8·
              8 个月前

              Master and Mr are different in usage, the former for young people (under 18).

              Ms is pronounced with the /z/ sound, not the ‘s’ in mistress.

              • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world
                4·
                8 个月前

                Ms. Mrs. And Miss are all from mistress apparently, and Ms. (MIZ) was used to address a woman regardless of marital status.

                Today I learned.

        • RGB3x3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          8 个月前

          I’m all for the “Ey”, “em”, “eir” pronouns, but I don’t have a stake in the game.

          For example,

          Ey worked as a teacher for the school until ey was fired for using neutral pronouns. Eir opinion stated in an interview was that e will not change how e refers to emself.

          English needs gender neutral pronouns because they can be useful in a situation such as needing to refer to a person named Smith, but don’t know their gender. (“They, them, their” should be reserved for groups, imo).

          “Mey.” Or “Mer.” could be the solution for a title in this situation.

          • CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world
            8·
            8 个月前

            Seems a hell of a lot easier to just use “they/them” as we already do. If it were too confusing, it would evolve into something else naturally anyway. German gets by just fine with “they” and the formal form of “you” being the same. I think we’ll be fine.

          • Mirshe@lemmy.world
            3·
            8 个月前

            Singular they has existed for centuries, and been used that way for centuries. In normal usage, it should be obvious from context whether you’re using singular or plural.

    • Fandangalo@lemmy.world
      113·
      8 个月前

      I live in MA and have an X marker. I really like it? It’s a common variable, and I like the relationship.

      I usually say Mixter, but it’s English so it’s all made up.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    11·
    8 个月前

    “I was told that professor was not okay, Dr. was not okay for me because I didn’t have a Ph.D., but there are lots of people at FLVS who do use Dr., which, coincidentally, is also in violation of the same law I got disciplined for,” Vary said. They were told the other acceptable courtesy titles were Mrs., Ms., or Miss. Using “teacher” was also out of the question.

      • oldbaldgrumpy@lemmy.world
        417·
        8 个月前

        As opposed to commonly accepted titles. Not made up, flavor of the day nonsense. Your generation can put up with this shit after mine is gone. Good luck, you are most definitely going to need it.

        • waz@lemmy.world
          121·
          8 个月前

          Hypothetical question:

          I have a friend named Richard. He prefers to be called Rich but his boss calls him Rick.

          Should his boss adjust to call him Rich because that is what he prefers, or should he just accept being called Rick because it is a commonly accepted nickname for Richard?

          • cricket99@lemmy.world
            28·
            8 个月前

            That’s a name, not a title. You don’t get to choose titles, they reflect objective truths.

            • oatscoop
              English
              4·
              8 个月前

              Exactly, those titles have meaning that reflect “objective truths”. E.g. I don’t conform to society’s male or female gender roles or expectations.

              It’s almost as if language exists to convey information and has been evolving with the constantly changing society that uses it.

              … or was your comment an appeal to made-up semantics because you don’t actually have a compelling argument?

        • The How™@lemmings.world
          91·
          8 个月前

          We literally made up Ms., Mrs., and Mr.

          That’s how language works, we get to make it up as we go along.

          How do you think we got here??

            • The How™@lemmings.world
              7·
              8 个月前

              Oh I get it, you’re just in denial about modern gender theory. Good luck with your rocks. The trick is to bang them together.

    • Tenbot@lemm.ee
      326·
      8 个月前

      All titles are “made up,” and Mx. as an honorific has been around for almost fifty years. A better question would be why our two main honorifics for people are so pointlessly gendered.

        • Tenbot@lemm.ee
          1·
          8 个月前

          Your claim as to its history is simply not true, and its use has, obviously, been mostly limited to the community that generated it. Did you expect Ronald Reagan to use it in his inauguration speech?

          Other than that, I don’t see what point you’re actually trying to make here.

        • Tenbot@lemm.ee
          122·
          8 个月前

          You just read an article about a non-binary person, so I think we can assume they are, indeed, “a thing.” Something tells me you don’t interact with a lot of queer people anyways, so your acceptance of their terms of address feels pretty irrelevant.

      • 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world
        324·
        8 个月前

        There’s words that develop organically and then there’s words that people make up to validate the feelings of women who would have been emos like 10 years ago. Neopronouns and titles like this are stupid and no person outside the progressive bubble will ever use them.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      296·
      8 个月前

      Here’s an idea- let’s not care if it’s fucking stupid and call people what they want to be called?

      • 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world
        324·
        8 个月前

        I want to be addressed as “your highness”, can you do that for me? Would be pretty bigoted if you don’t, just saying

      • oldbaldgrumpy@lemmy.world
        635·
        8 个月前

        Here’s a better idea why don’t the few conform with the masses rather than the other way around. That’s some bullshit I’ll never do.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          281·
          8 个月前

          You want people to conform more? Do you live in the 1950s? This is 2023 when people have the freedom to express themselves and identify as who they want to identify as. Get out of the 20th century.

          • oldbaldgrumpy@lemmy.world
            533·
            8 个月前

            I am also one of those people and I will never recognize any of that other than ridiculous ultra left bullshit. People have freedom to play make believe, I have the freedom to not participate in their foolishness.

            • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.uk
              233·
              8 个月前

              A precious summer child who thinks that this is ultra left wing.

              “I just want to live in a centralised commune, where the concept of currency doesn’t exist… but Mx? Well I’m not that ultra left.”

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              234·
              8 个月前

              Yes, you can also never recognize that “f*g” and “n****r” are not acceptable in society anymore and still use them. You have the freedom to do that too. You have the freedom to be as big an asshole as you want to be.

              But you shouldn’t have that freedom to fire people over how they express themselves.

              Enjoy your bigotry. You seem very proud of it.

            • Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
              242·
              8 个月前

              I would go further than that and assert that when you say most people, because of your specific demographic, you really just mean the people you know, who are outside of the range of groups actually accepting the kind of change you’re against.

              In a way, you’re right. Most people that you find to be rational would agree that it’s just plain ridiculous. It’s just that the groups that you don’t find rational are growing and the groups that agree with your mindset are shrinking.

              The evidence of that can be found by just observing how often this kind of thing happens at all. It used to not happen. Now it does enough to make news kind of often.