Hey, so I believe in a higher power but I’m not on board with any particular religion. Anyone else think it’s cool to just fly solo as a good human, no religion attached?
Anyone else think it’s cool to just fly solo as a good human, no religion attached?
Religion does not have a monopoly on morality, despite what many preach. Be kind, and believe what you want.
It might be useful to consider Leibnitz’s take on the Euthyphro Dilemma
“is good and just because God wills it or whether God wills it because it is good and just”.
Considering that, it is clear that morals cannot come from religion
I’m an evangelist’s kid. I grew up surrounded by religion. When I got to my 30s I started reevaluating matters of faith. Now in my 60s I consider that journey complete. On “good” days I’m agnostic, on “bad” days an atheist.
I know many awesome people of faith. I know many hideous people of faith. I know many awesome nonbelievers, I know meant hideous nonbelievers.
Be a decent human being and very few people will care what you believe.
Agnostic and atheist aren’t mutually exclusive things. 99.9% of atheists are agnostic about there being a god because it’s unprovable. Same way you’re likely agnostic about Russell’s teapot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell’s_teapot
I’m not exactly an atheist but sometimes agnostic. I believe in higher power but I don’t believe in divine intervention.
Can I ask, in the friendliest way possible and purely for my curiosity so I really don’t expect an answer, how you balance “higher power” with “doesn’t use it”? The way you’ve described it could be interrupted as anything from an otherwise traditional Christian who doesn’t believe in directly answered prayers, to believing that this is some sort of simulation we will wake up from.
One thing I often think about coming from a Christian upbringing is the idea that God knows everything that will ever happen to you, every choice you’ll make, when you’ll die, etc. To me, that signifies determinism and total lack of free will. That just doesn’t sit well with me.
Sounds kinda like deists. Most of the founding fathers were, plus a lot of enlightenment thinkers. So you’re in good company.
I would say it’s cooler to be a good person for the sake of it rather than being a good person because you fear hell or desire some sort of reward (eternity in heaven).
Yeah, I mean what if heaven and hell do not exist?
It’s better if they don’t exist. Just believe that you are energy that can’t be destroyed. That way, you’ll live forever, like molecules or whatever. I try to think of it that way? Just cruising around the globe or visiting other galaxies? Onward to the next adventure? (Sorry drunkish)
I still believe that everything has its creator, and creator has its own creator.
Well, then they don’t exist.
My thoughts are that your question is not so much about belief as about tribe. Since you seem to care about your group identity, why not support a sports team instead? It creates fewer problems than religion.
Vancouver Cancuks begs to differ. Still less problems than religion though.
Honestly anything in community or with people. Concerts, hobbies, helping, travelling. You don’t need religion to find and connect with tribe and humanity.
I thought that too. But when my atheist friend lost her child, the only thing I could talk about was ‘energy never gets destroyed and shit’, just to keep her away from organised religion. Because her local priest already has made an appointment to speak to her and her partner.
Sometimes it is really about giving them comfort that their loved ones will be alive as long as they remember them. That’s what I told her but I still feel shitty about it, because I hope there’s something more for the innocents, but I don’t think so.
I very much doubt you’ll find anyone here who discourages you from stepping away from organized religion.
I’m a former Christian pastor on a hiatus from church life, but in no way done with being a Christian in my private life.
I believe the Bible boils religion down to three basic life roles for every individual person to follow: priest, steward, and keeper.
- As a priest, every person is meant to determine how they ought best to live.
- As steward they are to take care of the world around them in accordance with their beliefs.
- As their “brother’s keeper” they should work to ensure everyone else is free from coercion to believe and live how they think is best.
When people function in all three roles they are revealing the “image of God”.
Live your best life and help others do the same to the best of your ability. Or, as James the brother of Jesus, said, true religion is this: “to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.”
I was raised in a very religious family. It’s very hard to break free but I have decided to go on my own path.
I trust you’ll find it a healing process. Most importantly, be patient with yourself.
What do you mean by healing process?
According to my perspective, having autonomy is core to being human and most religious structures actively work to squash autonomy and force conformity. I think that is harmful for everyone.
For me, it’s taken time to even recognize how hurt I was and I’m still going through a healing process.
I wish you well
Thank you, the same to you as well.
There is significant propability by just beeing here that you were hurt in the past and you didn’t heal properly. First step before acknowledging the pain is to go to a safe place, where there are no toxic people and where your basic needs are met. Hurt people are like magnet for toxic people, and hurt people are comforted by familiarity of toxicity.
I am just guessing here.
Independent religious beliefs outside the confines of religious establishments tend to be healthier, and you’re then free of the corruption and manipulation that inherently permeates all religions, due to our inherently flawed human nature.
Religious establishments are very much human inventions. Even if claims within religious canons are true, the religion and texts are all interpretations by deeply flawed human beings, and the rituals practiced were invented by them.
Religion can be used to manipulate and control, and there are individuals who will exploit it for their own self-interests within every religion.
Other than the supportive community that follows some religious institutions, I wholeheartedly believe that people are better off inwardly reflecting on their beliefs, rather than being told what to believe by deeply flawed and easily corruptible authority figures.
Their beliefs are no more demonstratably true than your personal spiritual beliefs.
I’m personally an atheist, but I’m not an anti-theist, and I am a huge advocate of specifically what you’re asking about. People should reflect on and develop their own independent spiritual beliefs.
I strongly agree that religious establishments are creations of humans. Even if the claims within religious canons are true, the religion and texts are all interpretations by flawed human beings, and the rituals practiced were invented by them. Growing up in a religious family, I understand how easy it is to be indoctrinated into a certain faith. I believe that early exposure to religion can have a corrupting effect on our minds.
Whatever floats your boat, mate. Having a religion is not a bad thing per se. It’s only bad if you try to use it to control other peoples’ lives.
Thanks mate! I’ve been studying Islam, Christianity (my family is religious but tolerates different beliefs, so I have a mix of both worlds), as well as Buddhism. However, none of these religions really grabbed my attention.
Metaphysics is a blind man in a dark room, looking for a black cat that isn’t there. Religion is the blind man shouting “I found it!”
Got it
I don’t see anything wrong with having faith in a higher power. Plenty of higher powers exist. Like the sun, quasars, super massive black holes, etc.
What you are describing sounds like Deism, which is a philosophy that most of the framers of the US Constitution shared
Deism is a great reference. It’s awesome tho think that some leaders and thinkers from the past also shared similar ideas. The idea of a higher power that doesn’t meddle in the day-to-day but set the universe in motion definitely resonates with my thoughts. It’s like being part of a grand design, but having the freedom to navigate it in our own unique ways. It’s always enlightening to link personal beliefs with historical philosophies. Makes you feel part of a bigger conversation, doesn’t it?
I personally start with the idea that I’m part of something much, much bigger than myself; that’s the basis of my concept of a “higher power”. Like the Ancient One told Doctor Strange, “It’s not about you.”
I was raised Mormon, and after breaking free I have a strong distaste for organized religion. You know how people like to say that if they had a time machine, they’d go back and kill Hitler? I would take out Abraham. The Abrahamic Covenant made religion all about one man’s ego; the cult he formed has splintered and spread over so much of our planet.
Gathering with like minded folk to exchange ideas about life, the universe, everything was once an organic, grass roots sorta thing (or so it seems). Religion is manufactured as a system of control.
Celebrate making your journey your own! I hope you find people who have the courage to make their own path as well; it is a huge comfort to at least just speak freely with like minded folk.
Man, that’s some deep stuff you’re sharing. The whole ‘tiny part of something huge’ vibe really puts things in a new light, doesn’t it? Kinda like realizing you’re just one pixel in a giant picture.
Reading about your journey away from Mormonism and your take on organized religion is super interesting. It’s wild to think how one person’s ideas can snowball into something that affects so many. And your point about the Abrahamic Covenant? it’s really a mind-bender!
Totally agree on the whole making-your-own-path thing. It’s awesome to bump into others carving out their own routes too. It’s like a big, messy, beautiful DIY project where everyone’s figuring it out as they go along.
join us, or not
Well let me ask you this: how specifically would it not be okay?
Well let me ask you this: how specifically would it not be okay?
Great question! For me, it’s not about it being okay or not in the traditional sense. I just feel that spirituality can be a personal journey that doesn’t necessarily require the framework of an organized religion. It’s like taking a road trip without a map - sometimes the discoveries you make on your own are the most meaningful. I believe in being a good human, guided by my own understanding of a higher power, morals, and the world around me. It’s about finding my own path and respecting others’ paths too. What’s your take on this?
A higher power without religion
Yeah, that sounds fine to me. I think the movie Dogma spells that position out pretty well: organized beliefs lead to all kinds of messy stuff, it’s better to just have ideas.
And personally I think humans seem to be wired to want religion. I think it stems from how we’re social creatures and we just desperately want to be part of something. And some of the most pervading religions have been the ones that include a father figure in their belief structure; I don’t think that’s a coincidence either, I think nearly everyone wants someone to follow, someone to tell them what to do, and parents don’t last forever.
All that is to say religion, or at least spirituality seems to be something people naturally yearn for. And given that, there’s no shame in feeling that yearning.
Thanks for your insight
Organized religion is corruptible to the point of uselessness.
Corruptible assumes they weren’t started for that purpose in the first place.
I wish there was a way to know what the mix of true believers and opportunists involved in each of the religions’ founding. Like the story of Constantine includes elements of both (he wanted a way to increase the unity across the Empire because it was getting hard to convince Iberian Romans to take up arms for wars in the middle East, but there’s also a story that he dreamed about having a cross on this shield leading to winning a battle). That wasn’t the founding of Christianity, but it is the reason Europe adopted it.
Or looking at the old testament, it seems to be a combination of general living advice/laws, events based on actual historic things (like David and Solomon were probably real), and stuff likely made up after the fact (like Genesis). I’d say the ones who made up Genesis weren’t likely true believers (of what they were writing), but it’s hard to say if they believed in the rest of it and just wanted to fill the gaps in good faith, or enjoyed the clerical power and filled in those blanks because not filling them in would have threatened that power. Or some combination of the two.
