Some of the planned blackouts will be temporary, others plan to shut their subreddits down indefinitely in protest.
Its nice that Reddit is promoting Lemmy like this. I just wish they would give us more time to optimize the code so that it can handle all the new users. For now it looks like many Lemmy instances will be completely overloaded from Monday, but lets see.
Lemmy only has a day or two of the blackout to grab users from reddit, I really hoped someone would prepare servers for the participating subreddits or something like that. It seems like a once in a lifetime opportunity to gain some traction.
Here’s hoping it goes well, it seems like lemmy’s golden moment to grow.
Out of interest, is it better for server load to have new instances federating, or to have users using the instance directly? I assumed that the reliable way of handling this would be to run my own instance and keep it closed for friends I know in real life to use. I don’t want to moderate a community, but I also like the reliability (and fun) of self-hosting, and knowing I can just stop using a server if their instance rules change to be against my own principals without losing my user history etc.
How does that mesh with what Lemmy is trying to do? I know I’m going to be in the vast minority here, but I’d like to know if I’m exacerbating load issues.
I am not an expert, but I think join lemmy suggested joining smaller instances and federating.
This would make sense to me - I assume it’s the equivalent of a single user seeing basically everything on a given community once, vs loading it from DB (or at least cache) for every request for each new individual user. Every time I load the front page on my server, it’s just fetching stuff from my own instance, right?
EDIT: Looks like it does load things from other servers, but only images. Everything else comes from my own instance.
I’m considering hosting my own instance. Can you point me to where i can get started? I’m a noob.
You’ll want to start here, but it depends how comfortable you are with self-hosting as to whether it’ll be a walk in the park. I had good luck with it, but I self host a lot of stuff and know what kinds of pitfalls there are. The docs aren’t totally up to par - I might take a look at contributing to improving them - so you may need to do some searching around if you have problems. There’s a Lemmy Support community on lemmy.ml you could check out too.
Right-on, thanks! It helps just to have a little direction—even if imperfect. I usually seek out multiple sources, anyway.
The issue is that some instances are having trouble federating. It took me a while to find my small community from lemmy.world - and when I did the upvotes and comments were all incorrect (many not showing up). Checked on beehaw and couldn’t even find my community
The load issues are because of users directly connecting to lemmy.ml. Federation isnt using many resources, so its best if users spread out across different instances.
What does it take to spin up an instance and federate? Can I just grab a docker image and go with some cloud Linux instance? What resources are we looking at for what headcount of users / level of engagement? (ie, posts and or connections per minute, etc)
I run a small instance for a few of our staff and a couple of rss/bot accounts.
I use a small DigitalOcean droplet that installs the software automatically. Very easy to run with a small number of people.
Running on a very small server. 4 GB Memory / 80 GB Disk . Works well.
I might not be your best example though
Thanks for the confirmation, glad to not be adding more than my fair share.
I see that the link to the contribution guide is giving a 404. Is there an updated link?
Which link?
Its moved to https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/contributors/01-overview.html. Not sure where you found the old link, would be good if you can update it.
Google search, but I think I also noticed it on a post you did called reddit refugees on lemmy.ml if I’m wrong, thank you for the link!
I see, fixed the link in that post.
What happened on Monday?
Blackout is next monday.
More power to the protest, but I am skeptical that it will do much good. I think reddit has strayed so far from its original mission and values that today it is nothing like the platform the reddit founders originally envisioned.
I think the reddit executives have probably already run the numbers on this and don’t care if every single user & mod who uses 3rd party apps and the API walks away from their platform. At this point they only care about the IPO and what they need to do to increase shareholder value after the IPO.
They may even see the exodus as a positive. They may think of these power users and API-utilizing mods as a drag on their bandwidth and worse, they are users who seldom if ever see any ads and increase their ad-viewing numbers.
Will the quality of reddit content suffer? I think it very likely will. It’s already been going downhill for a while now.
However, the executives mostly don’t care about content quality, either. As long as the free content they get from their users doesn’t stray into illegal and controversial waters, they are happy. If the content is mediocre memes and cat photos, they are quite happy with that. The goal is to serve as many ads up to as many users per hour as possible. They are banking on millions of “casuals” to stick around and scroll through the content and see those ads. Content quality is way down the list of their concerns.
My guess is the suits are are no longer interested in an “engagement” platform in the same way that Twitter and Facebook try to be (in their own ham-fisted and evil social-engineering ways). At this stage of the game, reddit just wants to be a mindless app that bored people can scroll while in the doctor’s waiting room, the airport, in the bathroom, or wherever they are and need to kill time.
Have the reddit suits made a miscalculation here? Will the exodus make reddit another “not cool anymore” type of platform like Digg that almost everyone abandons? Will the mass exodus only leave bots and karma farmers behind to talk to each other? Maybe, I don’t know. It’s hard to predict that kind of thing. But I think the execs are willing to roll the dice on this because short-term profits are all they care about since they will be going public. If the bots and karma farmers fool the people buying ads, reddit will just roll with that.
(You’d hope anyone buying ads on reddit would check to make sure their investment is actually increasing their sales…but there’s a lot of poorly managed businesses out there).
Either way…for those of us who enjoyed old reddit (and Digg before that, and Usenet before that) I think the path forward is a new platform such as this one.
Problem for reddit is, the people contributing through posts or comments are the ones most likely take offence to the new API pricing, and losing those people will be exponentially more hurtful for reddit than losing your average redditor. The proportion of people commenting, posting and upvoting is incredibly small compared to the total user number
I don’t think it’s been clearly voiced enough, but there are thousands of sub moderation bots that do things like automatically flag hate speech for mod review that will all just stop working. Some of the larger, older subs have entire ecosystems of content tagging and linking that will break. An example is putting the name of a tv show in braces [TNGS01E13] and getting a link to that episode’s wiki as a comment reply. It dramatically improves the Reddit experience, but isn’t worth the outrageous cost to keep going.
Overnight, Reddit would turn into a (more) poorly moderated nightmare.
Sounds like this move will make Reddit worse in every way possible, which is a pretty impressive feat IMO.
- Most (or all?) 3rd party apps will disappear. You’ll miss out on all the cool features that actually made Reddit useable.
- You’ll have to see the ads again if you use the default app.
- Accessing your curated multireddits will be harder. Just try the default app and you’ll see what I mean.
- The UI will be full of trash such as “news” and “discover new subs”.
- Lots of users will be gone. There will be less quality conversation and quality posts. This means that you will find fewer things worth reading.
- Regulating bot spam and other sorts of trash might (or will?) be harder and less efficient. You’ll be seeing more stuff you don’t want to see.
If all of this comes true, Reddit would earn the ”most hostile move towards your users in hopes of an easy cash grab” -award of the year.
@Hamartiogonic @CaptainCarrot I’ve got my fingers crossed that Lemmy will take off, assuming Reddit doesn’t change their stance.
Why would they. Wasn’t this supposed to be the greatest business move in the history of big business.
BTW did the previous protests make a difference?
My first reply here, and that’s why I’ve gone ahead and branched out into different directions before things go dark. I missed out on Digg, but at the time I had gone from Usenet to various boards, and when some of them began to get quieter or stale looked around and found Reddit, soon after the Digg migration. I don’t know if it’s Lemmy or some other that will/can take up the need for a collective aggregate service, but this has potential and I like the distributed idea. With improved UI for the novice it could turn into the next Reddit without some of the baggage (and probably its own issues).
I feel like Tik tok has accelerated this mentality among a lot of the social media sites
Was thinking perhaps subreddits could just stop moderating and auto approve everything en masse… that would create a spam hell more beautiful than anything we would have seen before…
Unmarked NSFW stuff highly upvoted on the front page, crypto bullshit in every sub, every subreddit doing a “If this gets 2 times X votes, I post again” making the frontpage useless. It would be total anarchy and cause Reddit to implode on itself before you can say “What Snoo”.
I doubt this will happen in reality because people actually care about preserving their subreddits. Anyway enough pipedreaming.
If what they’re saying is true, that might happen anyway. A lot of moderation is done using third party bots that use the API. Without those, it all has to be done manually and no one has time for that. Even then a lot of the manual moderation is done using third party tools (again, impacted by the API change).
Reddit’s about to pull an implosion that’ll make Twitter and Digg look like blips. I got the heck out of there and now I’m just sitting back with my popcorn and tea watching it all burn down.
Interesting. This video is broken when I’m on lemmy.ml but works fine from beehaw.org
Broken in Jerboa as well.
Does mentioning users to notify them work? Let’s try:
@dessalines@lemmy.ml FYI
@dessalines
Edit: doesn’t look like it. Hmm.
Edit 2: full URL? https://lemmy.ml/u/dessalines
I got mentioned, but jerboa doesn’t have an autofiller for
users or!communities like lemmy-ui does… yet.Autocomplete (eventually) gave me
[.ml](https://lemmy.ml/u/dessalines)(@dessalines@lemmy.ml)
downloading it through wget using the link that my browser is trying to play also works. beehaw.org is also taking forever to load
Can comfirm broken on Jerboa, but fine on beehaw from the browser.
Broken on lemmy.one as well
I support the blackouts, and I’m happy to see some of the larger subreddits starting to join, but I highly doubt this will change the API policy. The Reddit administration knew they were committing to a destructive course of action; they are not stupid, they’re pursuing an aggressive, purposeful corporate monetization strategy. That said, I do hope more major subreddits speak out, and I think the 48-hour blackout will open some users’ eyes to Reddit’s questionable philosophy.
I agree with this. Pretty sure Reddit has already done their share of research on the possible backlash and figured it was still profitable. I highly doubt they’d change their mind now.
My experience here has been great, tbh. Much less toxicity than on Reddit. I’m missing a few subs I frequented there and the app needs some work, but at least there’s no big corporation telling me what to do.
I’m in the same boat as you in regards to Reddit; there are certainly some niche places that I will miss but there are already good alternatives growing. I’m taking this opportunity to both re-evaluate how I engage with the internet and take the time to choose communities that better align with my values.
Yeah I’m planning to just buy extra server space and start my own instance. I’d love to see the fediverse grow
I can’t agree more. I sincerely hope this lasts. Whatever happens, though, I don’t think I’ll be leaving. Regardless of what happens to reddit.
Much less toxicity than on Reddit.
This. The 2016 US presidential election attracted an awful lot of awfully hateful people to Reddit, and they’ve been there pushing my buttons ever since.
Around then I feel is when spam bots on the site started to become really rampant too. I could be mistaken though
Even more so, I agree with @tangentism’s thought in this post “It’s great that subs and users are organising to fight this but maybe Reddit should be allowed to carry out this change and metaphorically shoot itself in the face? This is just the latest in a long horrifying series of policies that the admins have pushed through, actions they have failed to take, or when they finally did, it was long after the horse had bolted.”
If Reddit would backstep from this change somehow, then the rare opportunity of change will close shortly. Reddit just needs to push this through and hopefully it’ll burn itself down.
Glad to see so many subreddits contributing to this. Reddit IPO is the worst thing that happened to it and the original founders would have never allowed reddit to get to this point.
The thing is that people would gladly play 2-5usd/mo to keep 3rd party clients but Reddit is making super difficult on purpose. No way they are getting 5usd/mo per user from ads.
This is the third time Ive written this out because Jerboa keeps crashing so Im using the web interface instead!
Hopefully, I’ll remember the salient points I made and maybe be even more succinct!
and the original founders would have never allowed Reddit to get to this point.
Unfortunately, at least one of the original founders has allowed, quite possibly even driven this policy. Steve Huffman is still very much at the helm and what he has exposed of himself in interviews, he doesn’t sound like a very nice person (re: post apocalypse, he sees himself being on top and having slaves)
It’s great that subs and users are organising to fight this but maybe Reddit should be allowed to carry out this change and metaphorically shoot itself in the face? This is just the latest in a long horrifying series of policies that the admins have pushed through, actions they have failed to take, or when they finally did, it was long after the horse had bolted.
Remember the jailbait (and worse) subs that they allowed for so long (and were rumoured to have participated in) and when they finally did something after Anderson Cooper shone a light under that dark, seedy rock, they picked their sacrificial lamb and blamed it all on him? Remember the secret santa parallel site someone set up that Reddit then forcibly absorbed and let wilt? Remember how they dealt with Victoria who arranged all the celebrity IAMA’s? Remember how they brought in Ellen Pao (with her own set of issues) to deal with horrific amount of far right and misogynist subs that were actively calling for peoples and groups deaths, and then threw her under the bus once they got what they needed? Remember how they were banning people and deleting posts when it was revealed that 5 mod accounts were basically controlling the top 100 subs? Remember how they appointed to the admins a person who was found to be grooming teens and was supportive of their father who was convicted of serious sexual assault of a child?
The list is never-ending…
The sad fact of the matter is that centralised social medias one driving factor is money. They acquire that via data points collection from engagement. They dont care what kind of engagement as long as theres plenty of it and hateful content drives engagement.
There is no sense of community among the admins and execs of Reddit. It is entirely from the users.
The original founders allowed this to happen, if they didn’t drive this. Many similar times previously, and undoubtedly, many more times to come.
Maybe Reddit, just like every other centralised, corporate owned social media sites time is over?
I just dont believe its something worth fighting for, despite how commendable the actions of all those subs is.
That’s what I want too. It’s time to take more control over platforms we use (and platforms that make money off of us existing). I’m happy most blackout posts either mention lemmy as an alternative directly, or it’s in the top 5 comments.
I’ve people who remember the web in the late 90s / early 2000s, repeatedly comment that they miss finding weird, leftfield and wacky blogs and sites and that the last decade has been corporates vacuuming up anything that was interesting, subsuming it into their ecosphere to then let it wither and die because they didn’t understand it, just that it was gaining popularity.
If you look at the front page of Reddit now, its just recycled memes, content cross posted from the same corporate own sites such as Twitter and TikTok and endless reposts by bot accounts that are karma farming so they can be used for astro turfing.
There are niche communities and they are the ones suffering from this API policy but its time they all bailed and found better homes.
I’m one of those people. The old web was so much more exciting and interesting before corporations started owning everything. I made a community called oldweb here on lemmy for this exact reason of sharing old websites, quirky personal blogs/sites etc.
Yeah I already found this person and it’s awesome!
Absolutely. The “old web” was perhaps a bit on the (visually) ugly side, but we were free. Not much corporate going on, but much exploring the seemingly infinite possibilities together, as free users. Sure, there were some small online shops for hobbyists and special interest stuff, but they always were - in my experience - firmly connected to if not operated and driven by that community. It is hard to describe - it simply was great. The final frontier, so it seemed. Connect to freaks like yourself all over the world, or explore new exiting topics, music, cultures. Learn a ton of stuff for free. Really connect.
But then capitalism crept in - I cannot even draw a clear line when that all happened (Can someone here help me out here?) and as we all know now they built their monopolies and now the web is made up of those “five corporate websites showing screenshots of the other four” or how that famous quote went. I really think and hope the fediverse is a opportunity to rebuild a better, user-centered web.
That being said, is there a kind of implementation of the fediverse for / with projects like peer-to-peer hypermedia protocol (e.g. IPFS) and/or the onion web? (or perhaps that’s material for another discussion/thread, eh?)
When all the apps are effectively blocked I bet they push a release to the stores with directions to an alternative. Can Apollo, RiF, Boost, Sync and all the others launch gateways and point their users at the fediverse?
They could, but have no incentive to do so unless the dev specifically likes the fediverse or something.
Quick side question: How did you get to beehaw from the jerboa app? I only see lemmy.ml stuff on it and can’t find a way to add other communities.
I’m able to find some BeeHaw communities by searching them in the app.
Checking again, you’re right. I am seeing the odd thing now. Maybe i was looking for a way to see just the beehaw feed and purposefully bounce back and forth as desired.
I know what you mean. I’m also discovering i need to pivot my perspective from Reddit-style usage.
It’s also odd that i was able to find a couple BeeHaw communities but some others never showed up. I’m on mobile at work so i haven’t been able to investigate.
Yeah, it’s exciting to see things differently. Especially since, for the moment, things are a bit smaller here. I’m liking the idea of everything so far. Perhaps the app needs a few things added. Most definitely, I have a lot to learn!
Have you tried searching for beehaw stuff by name?
Have not messed around with the app much yet and didn’t know it would show up at all based off of my cursory glances so far. I mentioned in another comment that I was wondering if it could be set so that I only see Beehaw and not lemmy.ml so I could hop between the locations at will. Maybe in a future update in the app!
Update: I poked around the app a bit more. I didn’t notice that in the login screen, the instance menu could scroll. It looked like it perfectly held the fours it originally showed. I was short on time when i originally looked and didn’t try scrolling there because of how nicely it fit. Figured i would update this in case others could use the info.
I clicked the 3 bars on the left side of the interface, then “add account” and entered beehaw details
I had not noticed that the list of instances was longer than originally shown. Thank you for sharing screen shots. Hopefully if someone else had the same question, that clears it up!
I typed in beehaw.org myself - it wasnt in the list. That only seems to offer up 3 lemmy instances
I didn’t know you could type in that list?! It didn’t look like a field that allowed that. Good to know for the future!
I’m not willing to pay a subscription to Reddit. Forcing the apps to charge and then pay Reddit a fee is just a veiled attempt to squeeze money out of the very users that make and mod the content by the corporate idiots in control of the site.
This is like watching an incredibly slow train wreck. We know what the outcome looks like, but are (mostly) powerless to stop it unless these blackouts work.
The blackouts won’t work, I think. Unless “working” means “some community manager will lie through his teeth to justify what the product managers decided, while not being even fully informed on the consequences of the decision.” With potentially spez coming out of the blue and saying his stupid shit, while pretending to be part of the community. “AS SNOOS WE STAND UNITED!”
Meh I hope reddit dies. Greedy dbag MBA tools
Yeah it’s like watching a drunk man confidently walk out into oncoming traffic in a moment of hubris. Everyone can see what’s about to happen except him.
I hope this protest has a positive effect, but cynically I’m pretty sure it’s going to make a small splash, and then fizzle. Any popular subs that go dark too long well get sudo’d back online I’m sure.
My pipe dream is, instead of a black out, all the users come together and spam NSFW content on all the major subs to hopefully piss off their advertisers. Collaboration on that scale will probably never happen though.
If you really want to hit them, just make a concerted effort to request GDPR data for your user. It’s perfectly legal, it costs them time and money, and it may also actually benefit you to know what kind of data reddit collects about you.
At some point, it may even become a nice tool, say if someone creates a way to import that data into e.g. the fediverse or tilde or something similar.
For anyone interested, this is the page: https://www.reddit.com/settings/data-request. Just log in, select GDPR and request data for your “full time at Reddit”.
Doing it now, what a beautiful suggestion, kind stranger
For anyone interested, this is the page: https://www.reddit.com/settings/data-request. Just log in, select GDPR and request data for your “full time at Reddit”.
Great Idea. This needs to be communicated everywhere, non only on the fediverse, but reddit protest announcements as well!
This is why the protest is limited to 48 hours at first, because that’s the known “safe” duration. See what happened to r/news a couple years ago.
The two-day blackout isn’t the goal, and it isn’t the end. Should things reach the 14th with no sign of Reddit choosing to fix what they’ve broken, we’ll use the community and buzz we’ve built between then and now as a tool for further action.
Yeah, the strategy makes sense, I wish them well, I’m not just optimistic about the results.
Neither am I. I think they are going about it the right way. I just think Reddit is intent on Digg-ing themselves a grave and I don’t even think they understand the consequences of their actions. I’m sure they did some math on losing 3rd party app users, but I think they severely miscalculated on the moderator and accessibility fronts.
In the U.S., Section 504 requires web services to provide “individuals with disabilities an equal opportunity to participate.” For now, Reddit has complied with that because third party applications using the free API constitute an equal opportunity (actually, it’s a better opportunity - even better). However Reddit’s website and first-party application do not work with screen readers. If Reddit goes through with this, I fully expect them to be sued. I wouldn’t be too surprised if they weren’t even aware of this, because the relevant communities have quietly used third-party access since ever.
They can pitch a fit and protest all they want, but the only real way to get traction is to show there is a viable alternative. Want to renegotiate your Oracle license fees? Run a credible fraction of your enterprise on PostgreSQL. Want to get WotC to stop screwing 3rd party publishers with a new license? Start playing pathfinder. These are only two examples that I’ve experienced. Twitter will never improve as long as people keep using it. If reddit API users (3rd party apps) shift 5 to 20 % of use to Lemmy, you’ll see API pricing drop incredibly fast.
The blackouts may encourage users to go elsewhere, and going elsewhere may help move the needle on this issue. But, the only thing that’s going to stop reddit from going down the path it’s on is stopping the IPO. Let’s face it, any short-term victories will eventually be overcome by shareholder interests.
Plus, protestors leaving the site might actually help reddit at this point. Redditors are notoriously cantankerous and difficult to advertise to. But, it’s becoming less so as mainstream users flock in. As protestors leave the site, the userbase becomes increasingly saturated with apathetic users who are willing to put up with more.
And let’s be honest. Reddit has a lot of users who feel entitled to entertainment enough to get angry, but addicted enough to put up with it. Look at just about any fandom
Such a blackout could help accomplish that goal though.
The blackout must be accompanied from a viable alternative easily presented. I just learned about lemmy and I’m trying to see if I can have a place here. I don’t plan on leaving Reddit forever but you never know, and this api fiasco has at least shown me alternatives I never knew existed.
Lemmy is good, it’s still rough around the edges but still useable, its not bad at all, the influx of people overload the servers tho, but it will certainly improve, and the current app (Jerboa for Android) is not as good as the popular Reddit clients for the moment, but it’s definitely better than the Reddit official app.
I kind of hope redreader either switches to lemmy or helps improve Jerboa.
/u/whupazz has RedReader connecting to Lemmy via a api translation gateway he is building: https://imgur.com/a/IF5HYGz
Looks promising, i hope more clients could work with this.
I’ve seen that the redreader dev considers it.
I’m hoping the blackout drive fediverse adoption to the point that we don’t care what reddit is up to, any more than we don’t care about slashdot, digg, fark, et. al.
That’d be amazing.
I am kind of surprised that people are “addicted” to WotC at all - D&D always was one of the least recurring cost sort of thing I ever did. I think I played 2e for 6 years with 3 books. 3e for 6 years with 15 books, of which half or more were third party. But once you have the core books, it’s hard to see what more one needs? I remember in the old days Dragon Magazine would give more extra content than you’d need, and the net must certainly now provide all the house rules discussion etc one could ever need.
And to show how curmudgeonly I am, I think D&D peaked with 3.5e anyway. 2e to 3e had obvious benefits. 3e to 3.5e refined things if you cared that much. But 4e sucked and 5e is still overly simplified IMHO vs 3.5e. It still feels too much like “just play a video game” then. Yes, I’m butthurt about what they did with skills.
Anyway, maybe this is indicative of how much we’ve fallen from DIY stuff in the masses. We used to be able to modify stuff we bought to let us do more and new stuff compared to how it came. Now it’s not thought of, the companies try to make it illegial, or it’s seen as the new “nerdyness” of being a “maker” I guess. But for a fricken game or finding a different website? For entertainment? I just don’t know how or why people can’t handle going to a new site it seems.
Not surprised to see /r/ProCSS in that list. It was founded in response to another of Reddit’s terrible decisions. Speaking of which, I wonder if Lemmy could be made to support community-specific CSS stylesheets like old Reddit could? That’d be neat. Of course, it would need to support user-created communities first.
I also wonder if any of those subreddits will direct people to the Fediverse. Hope so.
@argv_minus_one Oh yeah, I remember when they promised that CSS support was coming… 7 years ago. As for redirecting people to the Fediverse, some of the apps like RedReader are openly considering it.
“Right now I’m considering the possibility of modifying the app to connect to a Reddit alternative such as Lemmy or Mastodon. There would be something very satisfying about some of the bigger Reddit apps driving their userbase to alternative sites too, and if this helped one of those platforms gain traction then that would be a step in the right direction.”
Personally I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea if some of these app creators hosted their own Fediverse instance and sent all their users to it.
Problem: millions of redditors currently use third-party Reddit apps. Abruptly sending millions of people to the Lemmy instance you just deployed is a sure-fire way to break it, and maybe bring down the whole federated network of Lemmy instances. Lemmy currently has issues scaling above a few hundred users, as Beehaw has recently discovered, let alone millions.
Problem: Lemmy is a completely different protocol, and there’s less than a month left before all third-party Reddit apps become useless and everyone uninstalls them. That’s an exceedingly tight timetable and an exceedingly unforgiving deadline.
That said, it’s now or never; death or glory. We’re not going to get another chance to bring over that many people to Lemmy all at once.
@argv_minus_one Is that scaling problem a software issue, or a hosting issue? There are other Fediverse platforms like Akkoma that use Elixir, so maybe they’d fair better? Could also pick several federated instances to distribute users to.
Lemmy is written in async Rust. The language isn’t going to create a scaling problem. Well-written async Rust applications have handled vastly heavier workloads than Lemmy without a hitch.
There are, however, some serious performance bottlenecks that need to be dealt with, and it remains to be seen whether any more bottlenecks remain undiscovered in either the protocol or the implementation. To be honest, as someone working on a Rust+Postgres application myself, this is the sort of thing that keeps me up at night.
Hosting can of course be an issue as well. I’m under the impression that Beehaw had to go up several tiers in its hosting plan in the last few days in response to the surge in demand. I assume this was done to work around the aforementioned bottlenecks by simply throwing more hardware at the problem, but I don’t know.
@argv_minus_one I see. The more I look into it, the more I think Lemmy should still be considered beta software like kbin, TBH. Some important features are still missing and the optimization is lacking.
I do consider Lemmy to be beta software.
But it’s currently the best option.
@ericjmorey You ever look at kbin? It already has the follow user functionality implemented so you can get content from the rest of the Fediverse.
Yep. It works 🥳 and has all the basic features you’d expect of a Reddit replacement 🥳 but will no doubt have the same growing pains as early Reddit did.
@argv_minus_one I still remember when Reddit was 503ing on the regular.
For now admins can already add custom themes to their Lemmy instances. Its described in the docs.
@argv_minus_one Oh yeah, I remember when they promised that CSS support was coming… 7 years ago. As for redirecting people to the Fediverse, some of the apps like RedReader are openly considering it.
> Right now I’m considering the possibility of modifying the app to connect to a Reddit alternative such as Lemmy or Mastodon. There would be something very satisfying about some of the bigger Reddit apps driving their userbase to alternative sites too, and if this helped one of those platforms gain traction then that would be a step in the right direction.
Personally I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea if some of these app creators hosted their own Fediverse instance and sent all their users to it.
Let it implode. Pass the popcorn!
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The circus is burning, as its owners tried to heat it up. Let us enjoy watching the flames from a safe distance.
I’m still a bit sad about Reddit’s seemingly approaching ending. I never cared about Twitter so moving to Mastodon was a snap, but Reddit has had loads of amazing content posted and I’ve enjoyed it for 15+ years. I love the Fediverse, and Lemmy is great, but it may take some time before these platforms and communities can replace Reddit for me.
I worry that content disappearing will be a bigger problem on the Fediverse, as instances come and go.
The good news is instances that were subbed to said dead instances will still have the content on them. So everything will be archived by the nature of the federated protocols
I’d be a liar if I claimed that I don’t feel a bit sad too. But even then, I think that I’m more amused and excited than sad? (It’s a weird mix of feelings, I know.)
And maybe because I’m getting old, I’m learning how to enjoy the brevity of the things. Reddit was born, thus Reddit will die; content was created, thus it’ll be lost; so goes on. Nothing shall last forever.
That said, I think that most content will eventually migrate elsewhere. Some will be lost in the process, sure, but that’s a given when handling this sort of closed platform. Better now than later, as lingering on Reddit will only increase the amount of content that will be lost there.
Yeah. As much as I want to abandon Reddit completely if they go through with this, I’ll probably be forced to use new reddit and the official app because most communities probably wont migrate at all. There are many niche communities that I’m subscribed to, like related to a specific anime/LN series that’s not too big.
Give it time. The enshittification will continue. If they don’t leave now, maybe it’ll be when old.reddit.com is removed. Or maybe it’ll be once they eventually ban NSFW content once and for all. Or maybe they’ll start requiring admin permission for certain actions. Or maybe it’ll be when ads are more common than posts and unblockable.
I am very confident this won’t be the last stupid thing they do in the runup to the IPO and beyond.
Just for curiosity: which is the anime/light novel series?
On-topic: I hope that other communities start migrating, once Reddit’s downwards spiral becomes too hard to ignore. I’m also considering to set up a few weaboo communities and one for conlangs, once I find a good instance for that. (lemmy.ml is already rather overburdened; perhaps someone could set up an instance for this sort of geeky stuff?)
There are many but a few that come to mind that I’ve been browsing a lot recently are:
- r/KumoDesu : The final volume (volume 16) is coming out on the 20th and I’ve started rereading the series. I actually finished reading the WN a couple of days ago (I love this series so much asdfaklmsv).
- r/IsekaiOjisan : Just plain fun
- r/Mashle : Not small but still one of my favourites. I don’t watch shonen a lot but this is a great manga.
I’ve considered hosting a couple of fediverse (and nextcloud) servers before but servers are expensive 😞
I mainly want an exact alternative to r/Anime and r/Manga for the episode discussions and I also want r/WritingPrompts and r/Animemes because those are my gotos to kill time.I follow the first two, too. Kumo is one of the few isekai series that “gets” a few things right, such as the grind to the top. (I fucking love the fight against Araba, it’s on DanMachi Bell vs. Minotaur’s levels of awesome.)
I feel glad to find other isekai watchers/readers here because I’m considering to create an alternative to r/isekai, mostly to discuss less popular manga series (lv2 kara cheat, slow pig, The One Within the Villainess, stuff like this - people talk a lot about MT and Re: Zero and those kind of fall on the background). Sadly hosting is not viable in my situation either.
I’ve been meaning to check out Kumo for a while. I’m a big fan of Honzuki no Gekokujou and apparently there’s a lot of overlap in the fan base.
I watched a little over one season of Honzuki no Gekokujou and I didn’t find too interesting tbh (I only watched that many episodes because I was really bored at the time). It just felt like a “base building game” (I can’t think of any other analogy for some reason). Is there something I’m missing, like the anime not adapting the source material well? Because I see a lot of people who like but I can’t seem to understand why. To be clear, I don’t think it’s that bad but it seems more popular than it should be.
The beginning is a bit slow, I will admit, but the first season is a very good adaptation overall (later seasons skip a lot). So maybe it’s just not your cup of tea. I don’t think I follow the base-building analogy 🤔
As for its popularity, I think it does a lot of things really well, better than most other series, and the sum of it is superb.
- Characterization: there are almost no 1-dimensional characters. Even random side characters, or seemingly comic relief characters, have their own motivations and goings-on outside of what Myne (the unreliable narrator) sees. These are often revealed to the reader in side stories, and can recontextualize a lot of what’s happening.
- World building: we start with a straightforward medieval city. Then a small bit of magic is introduced. Then we find out about a bit how the country is governed, then more about how magic works, histories, politics…all in a satisfying way, because Kazuki-sensei planned the whole story from the beginning. Which brings me to:
- Foreshadowing: EVERYTHING is a Chekov’s gun. There’s a lot of stuff to find on a re-read, and the theorycrafting people come up with in the weekly chapter releases is a lot of fun too.
- Themes: this series does not shy away from serious themes. Poverty, children starving, sexual assault, the ramifications of a strict caste system, slavery…There’s a lot that sucked about medieval times. But also:
- Humor: absolutely great comedic moments. It’s rare for a book to make me laugh out loud. For example, there’s a scene where Myne hosts what is essentially a J-Pop concert and it’s just nuts.
I could go on…tl;dr it’s a great series!
I expect most of the content to be saved at some point before reddit fully dies. Many sites from the early 2000’s no longer exist, but there are backups of forums online all over the place
Reddit has shown their cards and in my opinion even if they walk back these changes the writing has been on the wall for a while that they are looking to change the site in ways that people who prefer old Reddit will likely not prefer. It would be better to move on
Yeah, I already pulled the trigger on deleting my account. I’ve no interest in staying there with what they’re doing, and like you said, even if they roll back on it I’m done. They’ve shown time and again they give zero shits about the user base, and I for one am sick of it.
The exact same thing here. Ran a script while I still could use the API to also delete all of my comments and post after editing them. I’m leaving nothing behind as much as possible. In my reason for leaving text, I stated that even if the decision is reversed or adjusted, I can no longer trust Reddit to make good decisions.
Here, here!🍻
Which script? The first monkey grease script I tried failed.
Power Delete Suite. It’s a JavaScript bookmarklet.
I knew the day was coming, I was worried that there would be no other alternative, so happy to have found this place, and I am looking forward to witnessing all the people migrate in droves.
It’s good to see the subreddits fight a bit, but the internet of today is not the liquid ever changing space it was 10 or 15 years ago. Websites like reddit facebook and twitter are full on mainstream. Their userbase is huge many of which lurkers who dont pay attention or engage with a lot of the content.
Reddit especially is so compartmentalized that they helped kill off message boards and are essentially a series of small esoteric forums into themselves. At the end of the day there is a lot of value in being able to get pretty much any hobby and find a little active community for it and that really cant be replicated elsewhere. Much like how Facebook has been controversial for years the exodus did nothing because for a lot of people facebook is the internet. Twitter is a cesspool and even the mainstream is clowning on it, and yet it still lives and thrives.
There will be a bit of an exodus, but many of those people will likely begrudgingly go back home to reddit, and even for those that go away forever there are enough users that wont notice or care. Heck look at the new reddit/reddit mobile fiasco. A lot of noise and lots of “Im never going to use anything else”. In spite of that you see tons of people with avatars and newreddit style profiles, and you see lots screenshots shared showing the official app and people outright surprised that there even are alternatives when they complain about it. Reddit is too big to fail.
That said enough people will leave and seek alternatives to finally kickstart alternatives in a serious way. I know Ive taken a look at lemmy in the past a few times but upon exploring found instances with double digit monthly user counts that were mostly dead. I dont mind a smaller site and in fact reddit got too big a long time ago, but it needs to be semi active and Im not interesting enough to do it myself. The threats alone have added quite a few users already.
Reddit wont die it will burn on, but the embers it sheds thanks to these events will finally ignite other alternatives.
The fact that we’re having a conversation like this on Lemmy, proves to me that Lemmy is ready. There are enough users already that I can make the switch today.
@Hamartiogonic @lemillionsocks same, though i hace to look at “all” to do it and i have never once opened r/all on reddit. I bet that will no longer be needed in time
I haven’t used reddit in 3 days now, completely fine with the great community here.
Right? I’m kinda surprised that I haven’t looked at Reddit once today.
@lemillionsocks @anji I think that’s a bit pessimistic. Reddit is nowhere near a Facebook or even a twitter, and its owners seem to have forgotten it got where it is now when digg’s owner lost the curators. I doubt it’ll die as quickly as some predict but I also don’t think it’ll survive unharmed. The truth is probably in between.
A quick google search(so take this number with a grain of salt) tells me that reddit has 52 million daily active users and 430 million monthly active users monthly active users.
Reddit is BIG. Really big. And websites just dont die or pop up the way they used to because of how theyre designed and because of how the current era of the internet has matured.
That said I wouldnt call my take pessimistic. Reddit has gotten too big and there is an appetite for many users to leave for greener pastures but there just wasnt enough momentum to breath more life and activity into the alternatives. New reddit will chug on but enough people will leave that alternatives will sprout and grow. Whether that is Lemmy or something else it’s hard to say this early on, but it means that reddit alternatives will have enough users to thrive.
@lemillionsocks now look at the size of twitter and the size of the hole its new owner put in it and tell us that can’t happen to reddit because of size?
True, but I agree with lemillionsock’s core point. Nothing short of Reddit pulling the plug on the servers will cause 430 million monthly active users to shift in any short time-frame. However, what is likely to happen is a sharp decline in quality as the core content contributors move on, then a slow gradual decline as the remaining users go “Where’d all the content go?”.
This is inspiring. I’m here from Reddit. I just joined, and it feels very familiar. I just hope an influx of reddit users won’t make things worse for the regular Lemmy users.
Power tripping mods vs Greedy admins.
grabs popcorn
FIGHT!!
Toasty! 🍞
LOL In my experience, they’re one and the same: power tripping and greedy, the lot of them! (On Reddit, anyway)
