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Vice President Kamala Harris said in a meeting Saturday with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi that Washington will not allow for the forced relocation of Palestinians or any redrawing of the current border of the Gaza Strip.
“Under no circumstances will the United States permit the forced relocation of Palestinians from Gaza or the West Bank, the besiegement of Gaza, or the redrawing of the borders of Gaza,” Harris said, according to a statement from the vice president’s office.
Jews are the natives. Literally the Aramaic way of saying Jew means of the Levant region. You have no clue what you are talking about. Palestinians are refugees that no one wants. Not even their Islamic brethren in other countries. Israel worked to negotiate many peace deals and even had a work visa program. The apartheid-style sanctions were due to security constraints because the Palestinians kept blowing shit up. If people the next town over from you drive into your town an burned down your house randomly, you would eventually put up military checkpoints as well. Many of the radicalized Palestinians don’t appreciate Western culture and think that it’s an affront of their religion. They want women to have minimal rights. It blows me away that many left-leaning individuals want to help support their backwards culture of misogyny.
A war 1400 years ago does not justify colonizing and slaughtering natives right now. Surely you can see how fucked up that is?
By that logic, can African Americans or Chinese Americans return to their respective continents, occupy an entire country by displacing its current population, and claim it as their ancestral land? How delusional.
And since when is “the period of Judah” an accurate historical reference point?
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, was just a racist colonizer, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region; for their ruling class of capitalist corporations at least.
Israel is just a modern western colony committing genocide on natives. It’s keeping the middle-east divided and preventing them from uniting against the Imperial core.
Gaza has been an open-air prison trapping the natives the whole time. And you’re trying to deny their right to fight back against colonizers and settlers? They’re literally openly colonizing the West Bank right now with their whole “Area C” garbage. It’s disgusting.
Jesus christ, the US and Europe are the ones constantly keeping the Middle East at war to keep oil cheap and military profits high, and keeping them from making societal progress. And I’m saying that as an ex-Muslim. This is literally British colonialist era racist thinking of seeing ‘the other side’ as barbarians.
The PFLP, the second largest Palestinian liberation group after Fatah, calls for a secular Palestinian state where Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc. will live together in peace. Modern Fatah even accepts a two-state solution (and they have every right not to).
Only Hamas is mixing up Zionists with Jews, and that’s entirely because of Israel and the Imperial core’s constant oppression, displacement, and now genocide of the natives.
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Egypt made Gaza an open-air-prison. Israel just became it’s owner with no takebacksies.
Arab countries have created more JIMENA refugees to Israel than there were ever Palestinians.
You sound like a child describing to their parent why one of their action toys was able to beat up one of their other action toys. You also seem to have very little ability to comprehend how you cannot make blanket generalizations about groups of millions of people, which coincidentally is the root of why the genocide of the Palestinian people is being allowed to happen.
You are falling for propaganda. The blood is on Hammas’ hands. They are in fact hiding in schools and hospitals. Israel has a right to defend itself.
Your story is missing quite a bit.
First of all, Jew refers to both a religion and ethnicity, but in this context (Israel) is almost exclusively ethnic.
Palestinians are Jews (the religion), Christians and Muslims, not exclusively Muslim. The PLO is an explicitly religiously tolerant group whose logo was a menorah, cross and crescent moon.
Hamas, the Muslim Palestinian extremist group, was primarily funded and supported by Israel to break PLO dominance of Palestinian politics, because fighting a religiously tolerant nationalist movement that had recently commited to non-violence was bad optics internationally.
The Palestinians were forced at gunpoint to abandon their homes and move to Gaza and the West Bank during the Nakba in 1948.
Less than 1% of Palestinians are Jews. 93% Muslim. 6% Christian. The homes in question were stolen in previous centuries from Jews and the society was in shambles. The people moved were half a million at most. Gaza and the West Bank are quite nice regions containing beaches and workable land. They had no representative government and were subject to the fallout of a war and a collapsed government. Given the circumstances, they made out with more than they were owed.
Israel funding Hammas is a common misconception used as propaganda. It made concessions to try and help it reform, such as work visas. It was trying to keep the peace. Sure, there are factions in the Israel government that want to use Hamas as a wedge between a unified Palestine, but saying that it was straight up getting funding is skipping some nuance.
Yikes that is some next level propaganda and misinformation you are spreading.
I guess the native Americans can start killing Americans then
I mean, yeah they could? We literally annihilated entire civilizations of native americans, we stole this land.
Afaik, the people who did that are not around anymore. If they were, I’d say go for it, but I’m of the strong opinion that it’s not ok to kill millions of people for something their predecessors did.
You just described all of human history. It is conquest all the way back to the beginning.
What a lazy way to dismiss any kind of stakes to discussing history and the consequences of it.
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It is not at all true that other places outside of Europe were “calmer”, if by calm you mean peaceful.
Asia: I’m sure you have heard of the original empires of Mesopotamia, like Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and others. They were absolutely brutal, had some of the first standing armies, and practically invented genocide on a mass scale. Then there is the Mongolian Empire and other steppe empires like the Golden Horde, all of them famous for industrial-scale mass slaughter. And, of course, there is the ethnic cleansing of most of present-day China by the Han people. In Japan, early mainland immigrants wiped out the Ainu. In India, you have the invasion by northern Aryan tribes who slaughtered and dominated the Dravidian people, the remnant of which are still in southern India and Sri Lanka. Those are just a few of the better known ones.
Africa: There was all-conquering Egypt, of course, and many others south of the Sahara I’m sure, though they are less well-documented for obvious reasons.
Americas: The Inca and the Aztec were significant conquering empires. We are limited by a lack of written language in most of the Americas, but it is well-documented both orally and archaeologically that North American tribes displaced one another with regularity.
In terms of slavery…nearly every civilization prior to the industrial revolution used slave labour extensively, because that was the way to get work done before the advent of machines. The institution of slavery varied significantly across time and place, from the death sentence of working to death in Roman salt mines to well-educated slaves who were clerks and teachers. Slavery was a major Roman institution, but it was (and still is) rampant across Asia and Africa. The Americas also had slavery.
So what, Japan just colonized most of Asia to spread zen vibes? Or, you know that time Ghengis Khan raped and pillaged his way all the way to Eastern Europe? Or, failing that the repeated wars between Egypt and the Hittites? Even the native Hawaiians fought wars between the islands prior to their colonization. Conquest, genocide and enslavement have been the human condition for all of history everywhere without exception.
Preemptive edit: This doesn’t excuse any of it and we are finally, maybe barely moving past it, but the only reason it seems like this is a western phenomenon is because the most recently globally dominant nations are from there.
It is funny that you would say that right after writing that native Americans would be justified in killing Americans. You see the irony, right?
If you’re left-leaning too, I’d suggest looking at this through the wider lens of European/US Imperialism/Capitalism/Colonialism and how it keeps the global south from making economic or societal progress even after colonialism supposedly ‘ended’ in 1997 (not that long ago). Second Thought, Hakim, and Yugopnik make great videos on the topic.
Religion does certainly play a role in misogyny, but it’s nothing that can’t be overcome in a non-oppressive society imo.
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