Problem is, when you decide to call something “hate speech” it gets real scary real fast. Right now in the US, many would claim that saying Female’s can’t have a penis as “hate speech”. That’s why actual free speech needs to be maintained, some bad comes from it as far as annoyances, but I’ll take that over when everything a certain political party decides that what their opposition says is “hate” and tries to make it a crime.
“Some bad” as you say also includes Nazi marches and anti-vaccine protests. I just don’t think the bad is worth this stance. These aren’t mere annoyances, they are escalations from mere discontent to actual harmful rhetoric. Far too much in the US, Democrat Vs Republican bloodsports takes over from making people’s lives better. Instead every issue is a political battleground and nothing gets done.
Correct. Nobody pays attention to the Nazi losers, but you’ve proven my point exactly with the vaccine comment. How much shit came out proving the “anti-vaxxers” correct after the fact? People like to ignore that one. They claimed it wasn’t screwing up kids even though it did in multiple studies, it was. They claimed the spike protein was staying in shoulders until countless women had fertility problems and that protein was found in their uterus’, they said it wasn’t causing autoimmune issues and the stroke chance was extrmely rare other than in people with co-morbidities, and yet my mother who now has an anti immune issue she’s never had, and 4 strokes, all in the last couple years, all within 3mo of a COVID vaccine/booster.
People have the right to their bodies and not to be guinea pigs, some people want to silence people like that, which it seems you do too. THAT’S why free speech doesn’t end when somebody disagrees with it.
Nobody’s paying attention until one of the Nazi losers runs over a counter protestor.
I’m not saying the information around the vaccines was well-communicated nor was it without problems. These are issues that should be discussed with a licensed medical professional and not treated like a political issue which it was.
The danger I referred to with anti-vaxxers wasn’t to do with COVID, it was the rampant spread of diseases in Hawaii which we’ve long had control over all because anti-vaxxers wanted to be proven correct and they sacrificed other people’s lives in that pursuit. They used their free speech to cause harm and death. In any sane country, they’d be on trial for manslaughter.
Nobody’s paying attention until one of the Nazi losers runs over a counter protestor.
Ok, but doesn’t affect the free speech angle. Antifa and BLM set out to intentionally hurt people that protested against them, didn’t care if they hurt kids, set cop cars and businesses on fire, and nobody tries to stop people right to protest over it.
Also, not wanting a COVID vaccine doesn’t equal being an anti-vaxxer. No shortage of people didn’t get them that are still vaccinated and up to date with all others. Calling them so was a political move to divide people. But even if they were true anti-vaxxers, that’s their right for better or worse.
Their free speech was being able to chant their hateful rhetoric in public, display their imagery of hate groups/militias. To allow this march in Charlottesville to continue is implying that this speech is acceptable; this speech said by groups who think minorities are subhuman. They think they have a right to kill black people because they think all black people are criminals.
We’re talking about hate speech, not the riotous actions of Antifa and BLM which is also bad. We should understand why riots happen rather than just saying “look they’re setting cop cars on fire”. Well, why are they setting cop cars on fire? It’s a violent response to police brutality which is what sparked these protests and riots, i.e. the murder of George Floyd.
Once again, I didn’t bring up the COVID vaccines and that wasn’t what I was referring to in the beginning. My point about the COVID vaccine being politicised was in regards to politicians turning vaccine hesitancy into a political battleground. Rather than allowing people to ask questions to health care professionals and get an informed response, rhetoric was used to tell people what to think rather than ask questions. That’s the politicisation I was talking about.
They think they have a right to kill black people because they think all black people are criminals.
Makes no difference what they think, when they commit a crime, they pay the price for it. Given that most Nazi scum are shit talkers that never do anything, I’m not overly concerned about them.
I’m far more concerned with the Antifia’s and BLM’s out there which you seem to be dismissive of. Also, it makes zero difference what their “reason” is. If you set a cop car on fire with them in there, that’s attempted murder. Last time I checked, there’s no excuse for that. George Floyd only became what it was because he was black. which is sad, but true. If a white person with years of arrests, issues with police, thefts and drug charges suffered the same fate as Floyd, nobody would have cared, including white people. This bullshit division between people was planted intentionally, and sadly it’s working. When I was growing up in the 90’s when we allegedly had so many race issues, it was a million times better than now.
The division you’re talking about has been there since black people were used as slaves. It’s systemic and it was put there intentionally because black people were never thought as equal to white people. Why do you think black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police? Disproportionately put into prisons? Your anecdotal experience of the 90s tells me nothing of well-documented racism against black people and other marginalised groups for decades.
It was only a matter of time until the anger boile overd. It just happened to be George Floyd’s murder that incited it.
Problem is, when you decide to call something “hate speech” it gets real scary real fast. Right now in the US, many would claim that saying Female’s can’t have a penis as “hate speech”. That’s why actual free speech needs to be maintained, some bad comes from it as far as annoyances, but I’ll take that over when everything a certain political party decides that what their opposition says is “hate” and tries to make it a crime.
“Some bad” as you say also includes Nazi marches and anti-vaccine protests. I just don’t think the bad is worth this stance. These aren’t mere annoyances, they are escalations from mere discontent to actual harmful rhetoric. Far too much in the US, Democrat Vs Republican bloodsports takes over from making people’s lives better. Instead every issue is a political battleground and nothing gets done.
Correct. Nobody pays attention to the Nazi losers, but you’ve proven my point exactly with the vaccine comment. How much shit came out proving the “anti-vaxxers” correct after the fact? People like to ignore that one. They claimed it wasn’t screwing up kids even though it did in multiple studies, it was. They claimed the spike protein was staying in shoulders until countless women had fertility problems and that protein was found in their uterus’, they said it wasn’t causing autoimmune issues and the stroke chance was extrmely rare other than in people with co-morbidities, and yet my mother who now has an anti immune issue she’s never had, and 4 strokes, all in the last couple years, all within 3mo of a COVID vaccine/booster.
People have the right to their bodies and not to be guinea pigs, some people want to silence people like that, which it seems you do too. THAT’S why free speech doesn’t end when somebody disagrees with it.
Nobody’s paying attention until one of the Nazi losers runs over a counter protestor.
I’m not saying the information around the vaccines was well-communicated nor was it without problems. These are issues that should be discussed with a licensed medical professional and not treated like a political issue which it was.
The danger I referred to with anti-vaxxers wasn’t to do with COVID, it was the rampant spread of diseases in Hawaii which we’ve long had control over all because anti-vaxxers wanted to be proven correct and they sacrificed other people’s lives in that pursuit. They used their free speech to cause harm and death. In any sane country, they’d be on trial for manslaughter.
Ok, but doesn’t affect the free speech angle. Antifa and BLM set out to intentionally hurt people that protested against them, didn’t care if they hurt kids, set cop cars and businesses on fire, and nobody tries to stop people right to protest over it.
Also, not wanting a COVID vaccine doesn’t equal being an anti-vaxxer. No shortage of people didn’t get them that are still vaccinated and up to date with all others. Calling them so was a political move to divide people. But even if they were true anti-vaxxers, that’s their right for better or worse.
Their free speech was being able to chant their hateful rhetoric in public, display their imagery of hate groups/militias. To allow this march in Charlottesville to continue is implying that this speech is acceptable; this speech said by groups who think minorities are subhuman. They think they have a right to kill black people because they think all black people are criminals.
We’re talking about hate speech, not the riotous actions of Antifa and BLM which is also bad. We should understand why riots happen rather than just saying “look they’re setting cop cars on fire”. Well, why are they setting cop cars on fire? It’s a violent response to police brutality which is what sparked these protests and riots, i.e. the murder of George Floyd.
Once again, I didn’t bring up the COVID vaccines and that wasn’t what I was referring to in the beginning. My point about the COVID vaccine being politicised was in regards to politicians turning vaccine hesitancy into a political battleground. Rather than allowing people to ask questions to health care professionals and get an informed response, rhetoric was used to tell people what to think rather than ask questions. That’s the politicisation I was talking about.
Makes no difference what they think, when they commit a crime, they pay the price for it. Given that most Nazi scum are shit talkers that never do anything, I’m not overly concerned about them.
I’m far more concerned with the Antifia’s and BLM’s out there which you seem to be dismissive of. Also, it makes zero difference what their “reason” is. If you set a cop car on fire with them in there, that’s attempted murder. Last time I checked, there’s no excuse for that. George Floyd only became what it was because he was black. which is sad, but true. If a white person with years of arrests, issues with police, thefts and drug charges suffered the same fate as Floyd, nobody would have cared, including white people. This bullshit division between people was planted intentionally, and sadly it’s working. When I was growing up in the 90’s when we allegedly had so many race issues, it was a million times better than now.
The division you’re talking about has been there since black people were used as slaves. It’s systemic and it was put there intentionally because black people were never thought as equal to white people. Why do you think black people are overwhelmingly targeted by police? Disproportionately put into prisons? Your anecdotal experience of the 90s tells me nothing of well-documented racism against black people and other marginalised groups for decades.
It was only a matter of time until the anger boile overd. It just happened to be George Floyd’s murder that incited it.