Excuse me? In Germany that kid would straight up be arrested.
Would he though? I guess this is up to whether one would consider “god hates jews” to be inciting hate or violence (§130 stgb) against jews. It might even depend on where this happens, in some very religious place it might incite people far more than somewhere more secular, as there’s absolutely no meaning to someone saying “god hates x” if you don’t believe in a god in the first place. So I think it’s debatable.
The “jews stole the land” sign in the background might be worse, though, the kid holding that (or more likely the parent that allowed them to hold it) would most likely be breaking the law.
WBC are an open hate group. They aim to maximise their antagonism by doing things like picketing funerals with their dopey signs.
I mean yea wbc wouldn’t fly here but that’s besides the point of whether that particular sign would be allowed? If the fucking afd is still allowed I have a hard time believing that sign would be a major issue. We have relatively strong anti hatespeech laws but they still have some requirements.
You framed it through inciting hate, so I figured it’d be relevant that’s basically all WBC exist to do.
Unlike Germany, we have freedom of speech, which means it also applies to ignorant assholes that indoctrinate their kids to be pieces of shit in life.
Nobody takes the Westboro baptist church seriously, they’ve been a problem for decades.
I accept that both Germany and the US have freedom of speech. The difference is that Germany will crack down on hate speech which is what this is. If allowed to remain just because you want to uphold free speech absolutism, then hate speech goes unchallenged and so it spreads, allowing more hate speech.
Problem is, when you decide to call something “hate speech” it gets real scary real fast. Right now in the US, many would claim that saying Female’s can’t have a penis as “hate speech”. That’s why actual free speech needs to be maintained, some bad comes from it as far as annoyances, but I’ll take that over when everything a certain political party decides that what their opposition says is “hate” and tries to make it a crime.
“Some bad” as you say also includes Nazi marches and anti-vaccine protests. I just don’t think the bad is worth this stance. These aren’t mere annoyances, they are escalations from mere discontent to actual harmful rhetoric. Far too much in the US, Democrat Vs Republican bloodsports takes over from making people’s lives better. Instead every issue is a political battleground and nothing gets done.
Correct. Nobody pays attention to the Nazi losers, but you’ve proven my point exactly with the vaccine comment. How much shit came out proving the “anti-vaxxers” correct after the fact? People like to ignore that one. They claimed it wasn’t screwing up kids even though it did in multiple studies, it was. They claimed the spike protein was staying in shoulders until countless women had fertility problems and that protein was found in their uterus’, they said it wasn’t causing autoimmune issues and the stroke chance was extrmely rare other than in people with co-morbidities, and yet my mother who now has an anti immune issue she’s never had, and 4 strokes, all in the last couple years, all within 3mo of a COVID vaccine/booster.
People have the right to their bodies and not to be guinea pigs, some people want to silence people like that, which it seems you do too. THAT’S why free speech doesn’t end when somebody disagrees with it.
Nobody’s paying attention until one of the Nazi losers runs over a counter protestor.
I’m not saying the information around the vaccines was well-communicated nor was it without problems. These are issues that should be discussed with a licensed medical professional and not treated like a political issue which it was.
The danger I referred to with anti-vaxxers wasn’t to do with COVID, it was the rampant spread of diseases in Hawaii which we’ve long had control over all because anti-vaxxers wanted to be proven correct and they sacrificed other people’s lives in that pursuit. They used their free speech to cause harm and death. In any sane country, they’d be on trial for manslaughter.
Nobody’s paying attention until one of the Nazi losers runs over a counter protestor.
Ok, but doesn’t affect the free speech angle. Antifa and BLM set out to intentionally hurt people that protested against them, didn’t care if they hurt kids, set cop cars and businesses on fire, and nobody tries to stop people right to protest over it.
Also, not wanting a COVID vaccine doesn’t equal being an anti-vaxxer. No shortage of people didn’t get them that are still vaccinated and up to date with all others. Calling them so was a political move to divide people. But even if they were true anti-vaxxers, that’s their right for better or worse.
Yeah but who gets to draw that line though? I agree that this kind of speech is harmful, but if we leave it to the dipshits in Congress to decide what is and isn’t hate speech that kind of shit will be allowed and any speech against the oligarchy will be considered hate speech. I draw the line as a citizen by not giving them my time, but I feel like if you going the government the power to arrest folks over speech alone things will get real bad real fast.
Yeah but who gets to draw that line though?
A law that delineates what hate speech is and its consequences, limiting it to speech against sex, gender, orientation, race, ethnicity, faith and disability. Like sane countries do.
That’s all perfectly reasonable, I just don’t trust American lawmakers to do that. Then again, I don’t trust them to pass a budget or let the government stay open or fulfill other basic functions of their job, so……
In principle we are in agreement for sure. I guess we shouldn’t base potential policy based on the incompetence of our lawmakers, but ignoring their incompetence has risks of its own
I hate being an American. If I could pack my family up and leave for a better country I would.
Totally get what you mean. It might be easier for these protections to exist on the local or state level, but of course it’ll vary dramatically state to state.
You should look into the paradox of tolerance.
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society’s practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
The paradox disappears when you stop considering tolerance to be a moral stance, and recognize it as a social contract.
Those who break the contractual agreements are not protected by contract’s provisions.
If nobody takes them seriously, why are they a problem?
If nobody takes them seriously, why are they a problem?
Because even when you don’t take them seriously it’s not enjoyable to have them show up with signs like this at funerals for gay people, etc.
Do you like ignorant racist biggots? I don’t. They’re also known for setting shit like this up at funerals of military members with signs saying they’re better dead.
I would very much like it if some of that was restricted. I don’t think white supremacists or Christian Nationalists or nazis or any other group like that should have a voice or even be allowed to exist. 80 years ago we killed nazis and we should do it again.
That’s a dangerous precedent, because it assumes that the people that hold power will largely agree with your views.
Except at some point some viewpoint you have, which will probably be both correct and sane, will be labeled as hate speech by some moron or group in power at the time, then what? Then we’re China, and speaking against a hive mind can land you in prison, and that’s if you’re lucky.
It’s enough to have a rainbow book in a library in the land of the free
Exhibit A for the argument on why some people should not be allowed to procreate.
Westboro Baptist’s business model is to provoke violence with their outrageous and insulting behaviors and then sue for profit.
Exactly, they arnt a religion they are a group of lawyers who came up with the great idea to incite violence against themselves for profit.
…so, do they hate Jesus too?
You know they would crucify the shit out of JC
This is the plot of a South Park episode.
All hail to mein Führer, Mel Gibson!
What is this, moral orel? The actual fuck.
That shit is fuckin wild
Proof that brainworms can be sexually transmitted
poor kid doesn’t even know what he’s protesting
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