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Obligatory “f-ck Spez” and their silly little AI training thing
Their what now? What did I miss?
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I literally just signed up for lemmy after reading this post on reddit. I’m ready for reddit to crash. Decentralized apps seem like the way to go. It seems super short-sighted on Reddit’s part to be basically extorting all these 3rd party apps that are super popular.
Welcome! It’s a bit rough around the edges here but the devs are making changes every day and the community is better than I thought.
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Indeed it is. All I really want is a place where I can intellectually engage with people in good faith, even when people disagree with me; finding it productive, fun and maybe learning a thing or two. Constantly being called a “bigot,” “fascist,” “asshole,” “idiot,” “moron,” really leaves it wanting.
This you?
You stupid? My comment history is right there.
Edit: Aw. Don’t get butthurt, homie. Lol. Tool.
I get called a lot of things on Reddit, but never bigot or fascist.
This you?
Indeed.
I get called a lot of things on Reddit, but never bigot or fascist.
Try having openly right-wing leanings, and maybe you’ll understand it. I don’t go around making presumptions about people. But when the person I’m replying to chooses to lead with condescension and sanctimony, then fine. I’ll oblige him and reply in kind. Incidentally, ‘it gets the point across’.
Honestly the rough parts remind me of the good old days of the internet. I’m no gatekeeper but I’m happy when sites are smaller, focused, and slow to grow.
Exactly! For the first 5 seconds, I was pissed that I couldn’t send a reply with Ctrl+Enter, but it just reminded me of the good old days of being part of and building a community from scratch and I love it!
I’m one of those that nuked my Reddit account too… Was a Boost user for many, many years. Tens of thousands of contributions in the way of posts and comments and this move by them was the straw that broke the camel. The place is a shell of what it was in the early days sadly. Year by year it’s seemingly declined.
I’m done with it and moving on to pastures a new :)
So far, I’m really impressed with Lemmy !
Well, i’ll wait till 1th july and nuke my account if my app won’t work.
Fair enough ! I have been wanting to leave the place for a while so this was kind of the perfect excuse really :)
It’s actually been quite refreshing the last day or so sussing out a new corner of the web…
It’s the curse of VC funding. Companies love the cash injection, but it inevitably is followed by the demand to quadruple revenue and extract every ounce of capital out of the product. VCs destroy good products for capital. I’m glad to have discovered Lemmy and I hope the general Fediverse world of web applications continues to spread and get more of a foothold. It’s way better for users in the end.
Unfortunately, I doubt Reddit would crash. I don’t think these online protests have much sway anymore. Twitter’s definitely didn’t. And ironically, Lemmy might crash a couple times with going over user capacity…
Either way, we ought to work to avoid it. Chop chop, people, content, we need content! Lifeblood of link aggregators is people having topics.
For me, Lemmy is quality over quantity since I’ll interact with like-minded people - aka the users that care enough to move away from reddit.
It’s not all about numbers.
There is a thing, twitter has already had an okay and quite usable official app alongside third party apps. Reddit official app is buggy as hell and not very intuitive. I think too Reddit will survive, but I think the quality of content is going to go down since many power users were using third party apps.
But for Reddit officials that wouldn’t be a problem since they don’t care for quality but for engagement.
I think this is the point that will be a negative for the remaining users AND something that Reddit doesn’t care about. Good quality content will slowly stop going there… but the repost bots and other shit reposts will continue, allowing people to continue to consume content. Which is the real reason Reddit is doing all of this. 3rd party apps allow their users to bypass advertisers, which have noticed or complained and Reddit has to squash it.
Twitter’s definitely didn’t.
I don’t know… 50% of their top advertisers have left, and their advertising income is down 60%. I’m no longer there, so I can’t speak to overall user engagement, but with their revenue cratering, I’m not sure how long it is destined for this world.
Even if Twitter and Reddit don’t completely crash like Digg did, making them “just one among several” will be a good thing in the long run. They’ll actually have competition for a change.
The thing about social media sites is that they never truly and permanently die, they just slowly languish into irrelevance.
MySpace still exists for example, as does AOL, Tumblr, and yes, DIGG… However to say they are shells of their former selves would be an understatement.
It took 5 years after Facebook opened up to the general punic for MySpace to fall to the point of having to sell out to another company. We are still in the early days when it comes to seeing if Musk will effectively kill Twitter.
If reddit starts to die we won’t notice for quite some time. We will at most see waves of people leaving months or years apart and then one day reddit will just find itself basically forgotten about.
I think the thought of major subs going private out of protest has them at least a little worried. Worried enough to try to backtrack on the changes that will affect moderators to “give them more time”, but only if they don’t participate in the blackout.
Sounds a lot like threatening at this point (and who knows if they’ll follow through with their promises if even one sub goes dark), which ironically is the same thing they accused the Apollo dev of doing to the Reddit team.
Worried enough to try to backtrack on the changes that will affect moderators to “give them more time”, but only if they don’t participate in the blackout.
How would that even work though? Say Sub A participates in the blackout while Sub B doesn’t, if they backtrack and don’t start charging for API access how would they reward Sub B while excluding Sub A? Also this all depends on 3rd party apps continuing to operate to even allow these mods to use them for moderating purposes so if Apollo and Sync shut down, there’s nothing reddit can do to change or delay their closure since they aren’t controlled by reddit. Sounds like a bunch of desperate, empty promises on reddit’s part.
Oh I absolutely agree that it sounds like empty, desperate promises on their behalf at this point. I think it’s safe to say (given the OP) that Reddit has ruined every ounce of credibility and good-will they may have had as a result of their lies and backtracking. I wouldn’t trust them one bit with their attempts at garnering more good-will at this point.
why did you share the old reddit site
I’m always amazed when I see someone using new reddit or the official app. I just don’t understand how, it’s soooo bad
Because the old Reddit site isn’t bogged down with useless avatars, NFTs, and 10 GB of JavaScript.
Makes literally no sense to me that Reddit couldn’t afford to provide a price exception to 3rd party apps that have helped grow their community and website over the years. I’ve been using Reddit Is Fun for almost a decade now, and I’m not switching to their official app.
Companies are getting too comfortable when they have no competition. Really hope a Fediverse alternative will kick off like Mastodon did (ironically I’m placing my bets on kbin even though I use Lemmy. Seems like the simpler alternative that’ll be easier to invite people over).
I’ve never had an issue with the main app or site myself, and have been on Reddit for like 15+ years now? Fuckin forever IDK. I’m still down to bail for Lemmy, I support everyone who finds use in 3rd party apps plus I’m tired of bonkers bans and power hungry mods while ridiculous shit gets left up as A-OK.
I’m actually on a 7 day ban right now, for “abusing the report feature.” The linked report they provided as proof of abuse? A comment they had just messaged me to tell me “We agree this has violated TOS and have removed the violating content.”
So…“You’re right, that DOES break the rules…But could you STOP FUCKING MAKING US PRESS TWO BUTTONS ALREADY?!”
You can’t charge apps differently for the same stuff or people will sue you.
Reddit wants to bring them all down. I wouldn’t be surprised if they take down the entire API in a year to save money.
You can. Companies do it all the time. Being grandfathered in is why people still pay pences on their cellphone plans from major providers, for example. I don’t think it’s the answer in this particular scenario, though.
What are you talking about? Anyone working in B2B sales know there are no such things as list prices. Everything is negotiated.
‘EXODUS - Movement from Ja people.’
Well, this was exactly the outcome Reddit was aiming for with the exorbitant pricing. They want to force everyone to use their app. I hope it backfires on them.
What they’re actually forcing everyone to do is use Lemmy, Kbin, etc.
🫡 Sad to see it happen. Best of luck to the dev(s) in their future endeavours.
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Which hopefully include compatibility with Kbin, Lemmy and other federated aggregators.Right now I use kbin through webapp functionality. It’s nice and well, functional, but it could be native.
This is huge, I don’t have statistics but surely the most popular third party app.
I really hope reddit is hurt a lot by this move they’re doing. It feels like it’s probably too late for them to walk it back and that’s probably a good thing. As much as I really enjoy a lot of the communities over there, I don’t think it’s healthy they remain on reddit, they clearly don’t have the best interests of their users now, if they ever did. I know they’ve lost me and a lot of people who are moving over to lemmy, but I do hope a lot more follow and this hurts them.
Just going off of a quick stroll through the iOS app store (as of time of this post)
- Apollo is the highest rated 3rd party reddit app at #11 in the News category (for comparison, the next highest was Narwhal at #75 within this same category)
- Apollo does not however breach the top 200 apps app-store-wide. The official reddit app does at #52 overall. and enjoys the company of other ubiquitous apps like Hulu, Duolingo, Google Drive, and Disney+, all within 10 ranks of it on the overall list.
- It does seem that reddit has crunched their numbers and gambled that 3rd party app users and the uproar they are in is a calculable loss against the groundswell of desktop and official reddit app users.
The one issue with social networks isn’t necessarily the raw numbers, but rather what apps to your critical users use? We already know tons of subreddit mods use 3rd party apps for better tools. Power users – often those more likely to generate content – are also more likely to use third party tools. General consumers are more likely to use the first-party tool. What happens if there’s a dramatic drop in content generation, or subreddits get overrun with spam? The relationship is often complex because the user base isn’t homogeneous.
That said, as I get older I realize more and more that just because someone is running a company, it doesn’t mean they have any actual qualifications to be there. And this might just be a really surface-level evaluation and understanding on behalf of Reddit.
Remember when in September 2017, Reddit decided to no longer be open-source? Well it was precisely to prepare for this specific scenario. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish and we’re finally on step 3.
Got to admit, I’m still curious to see what Rossmann has to say on the matter. Man sometimes has interesting opinions in this sphere.
The first one to fall, unfortunately. The conversation the Apollo Dev had with the admins seemed pretty bleak. I’m slowly accepting that Reddit needs to die. As a Redditor, we built it. We can kill it.
As a Redditor, we built it. We can kill it.
Maybe. But it may well be, that Reddit has enough momentum to keep going with the shitload of dummy users who don’t care about third party apps or quality.
For all we know, half the users over there (re)posting content could be bots that continue indefinitely, reposting more and more popular content from other sites like TikTok with more bots leaving comments that they stole from other posts. Reddit could in theory continue operating even with zero actual users.
True, but bots might also no longer be feasible with the API pricing. So they even alienate that!
I feel lots of people say “Who cares about 3rd party apps?” don’t realize the mod community also heavily relies on 3rd party apps. So high chance of the quality of subreddits going downhill regardless. Either way, anyone using Reddit still should be looking for a way off the platform.
I currently enjoy the amount of users in Lemmy. It’s a nice community now that feels like the old internet days.
So I hope not too many people swap over.
Well that seals it. I’m here for good. I’ll even commit now that if Lemmy doesn’t work out, still not going back.
The next couple of weeks are going to be ROUGH here. New instances spinning up, and existing ones grinding to a halt under the weight of new users. This is going to be a hell of a stress test.
But it should also make this space truly viable for users. We should expect more people to bounce than to stay, but it’s starting to look like we’ve already crossed a critical threshold for sustainability.
I expect it to be similar to Mastodon but perhaps not quite as big. That said, that service has flexed pretty well thanks to the tireless efforts of many instance maintainers. Hopefully a similar passion and level of support emerges here.
I’d rather the growth here be much more organic and discovery driven, than by a mass exodus of users from another platform all rushing in. Mobile app’s were ‘far’ from being the only reason to leave Reddit.
Same, but the exodus wave is coming. It’ll recede again, just like it did with Twitter and Mastodon, leaving some lovely seashells in its wake.
Heck, by the time we’d know for sure that Lemmy isn’t working out, there’d be no content left on Reddit to go back to.
It’s already much busier here than it was a couple days ago, though; I think we’ll be alright.
Yeah. Lemmy doesn’t need to be Reddit sized by tomorrow. For now we can just enjoy an older style of smaller forum community. All we can do is keep popping in to Reddit and letting people know about Lemmy. Keep helping people understand the decentralized structure. Keep fostering a welcoming and engaging community. Eventually we’ll grow and I truly suspect we can outpace Reddit. It might be years or even a decade before that happens, but I believe it will happen as long as we keep this community active and growing.
I’m quite happy to enjoy a smaller community with higher quality comments again.
I want Reddit to get what they deserve. Fuck 'em.
I really hope Christian gets through this. Working so hard on an app for years, only to see it get flushed down the toilet because of Reddit’s ridiculous pricing and them not budging on it, has to be a nightmare to experience.
It’s definitely a shame that reddit is making these changes. The fall of reddit is going to have pretty negative affect for a lot of people.
I’m no fan of corpo platforms—I’d love more widespread adoption of open protocols and software—but I don’t want _users_ to get hurt by the loss.
The decline of Reddit is a great shame. But the model of social media companies needing to IPO and make profit always hurts users in the long run. When Reddit do IPO more decisions will be made that make the experience worse for users simply because the interests of the platform owners will no longer be aligned with the interests of the users. We can’t know how things will work out but at least the fediverse model is new and is theoretically more sustainable.
Stop the enshitification! I feel like greed is ruining so many nice things lately. Streaming services, gaming and a lot of social media as well. More costs for more ads and increasingly bad content. First post on Lemmy and will try to advertise it to my friends, lets hope for a better take off than Mastodon!
This is why open platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon and others are so important. We need to stop letting a few large, shitty companies hold everything hostage.
I truly hope that mods just stop and let all of Reddit overflow with garbage bot posts. Let them try to IPO with a site full of useless garbage.
