Star Trek. There’s a character, 7/9, who starts the series identifying as nonbinary. 7/9 is held prisoner by the protagonists and its cybernetic implants are surgically removed, and then the captain of the ship grooms it into, in her own words, “becoming a woman”. There’s also an undercurrent of homophobia in the whole situation, because “becoming a woman” means pursuing men. I’m nonbinary and intersex, and in a conversation where I said I identified with 7/9, Stamets (a cis guy), called me a transphobic troll for having a gender similar to 7/9’s. He also said I was deadnaming “Seven” by referring to it with numerals instead of letters.
7/9’s story is not simple and it’s not unproblematic. I can understand why a trans woman would identity with 7/9 for similar reasons that I did. But when a cis guy says his interpretation is the only correct one, talks over trans people, and accuses me of faking my gender, that crosses a line. Stamets believes that my gender is transphobic, because it supposedly harms the respectability of binary trans people who aim to assimilate into patriarchal culture.
an abducted child who was forcefully desexed and dehumanized, mutilated, and brainwashed into essentially a cult
Keep in mind that after it was separated from the collective while crying out in pain and despair, it was then forcefully sexed, forcefully humanized, mutilated, and brainwashed. It cries in pain every time it is reminded of its time with humans at the beginning of its life, back when it was forced to identify as female because it was born with a vagina.
I do not argue that the Borg are in the right. But I certainly think that the Federation are at least as much in the wrong as the Borg are. There is no textual evidence that 7/9 ever chose a female identity or accepted one willingly. It cried in pain and dysphoria and dread when it was mutilated and forcefully sexed. I cried the same way when I, an asexual nonbinary person, was forcefully sexed by puberty. When every adult I knew said I would have to participate in heterosexuality and I had no choice. I pursued hetereosexual relationships because I was told I had to.
We don’t have enough stories about trans women. But we have ONE story about dronegender people. Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjuct of Unimatrix Zero One. That is the ONLY story we have. There are no other stories in the whole world about people like me. I don’t think trans women have enough representation in media. But why do they have to claim a “trans woman” who was given surgery against its will as one of them, when I have absolutely nothing?
Stamets does not even say the two stories can exist in parallel. Stamets says my very existence is an insult to trans women. That claiming the only representation of my gender in the whole world is transphobic.
You would agree that you are born your gender, regardless of physical sexual characteristics like genitals, correct?
No. Nobody is born a man, woman, boy, girl, or anything else. Babies have no gender. Gender identity begins developing at age 2-3, solidifies at age 4, and continues to develop into adulthood. In some people, such as genderfluid people, it never solidifies into a single state. Psychologists have demonstrated that gender forms during early childhood at length. Sociologists have for a very long time said that gender is a social construct (NOT a biological one), and have pointed out that different cultures have different numbers of genders. Do you think it’s a cosmic coincidence that bissu-gender people are only born in Bugis society and not in other cultures? No. The bissu gender, like all genders, is socially formed.
No, they have a formerly-human brain filled with cybernetics. And by saying I’m not a Borg, do you mean to argue that I’m a gender different than what I identify as?
No, that’s an overly specific definition. Broadly, a drone is any agent remotely controlled by another intelligence. For example, computer scientists create swarms of drones in simulations, robotocists create drones for photography and the military, science fiction writers write stories about drones in space, and offices are full of drones that do little to no thinking for themselves.
The person in that article isn’t me. But if it were me, then who the hell are the other people that drone mentions being in their swarm? They say there’s 4 drones and a queen.
I’m gonna be clear; I don’t like you. You think that xenogenders require sources. That’s absurd. You also look down on people with mental disorders like NPD. I think you’re transphobic and ableist, and a gatekeeper. I don’t care about your opinion of 7/9, because you’ve not given me any evidence you respect nonbinary people other than yourself. You’ve given me evidence that you’ll attack fellow nonbinary people for their disabilities and doubt their own experiences.
The existence of drones as a kink (which that carrd does specifically call out for some reason) is explicitly offensive to me and it’s the one kink I’m unafraid to shame. A mind or a body is a lovely thing to have, and one should remain in charge of their own.
Well I wouldn’t have called you homophobic if you didn’t attack me for being attracted to my own gender. Maybe you could apologise and then I’d say you’re not homophobic anymore.
can you please stop kinkshaming people and shaming people for having a raunchier or more fetishistic gender? you can thank the people who “strangely” sexualize shit like bondage or leather for your rights today as a queer person. these “weirdos” are the ones who will actually fight for your right and for your very existence as whoever you want to be. if you want to be close minded just because a gender is raunchy and naughty, then do as you please. but I would like it if you, instead of commenting, took some time and analyzed the idea of downright dismissing someone’s gender because it’s a fetish. dronegender people aren’t the ones who take away human rights left and right; cisgender heterosexual people, the ones whose genders aren’t what you view as a “fetish” do. this stuff is absolutely harmless to you and to the people who engage in it. for many people, being part of a wider swarm can, in fact, wound a part of their personality disorder which quite literally affects their ego and their sense of self-worth, both as the leader or the follower of the swarm. and if it can help people be better, who are we to judge and ostracize them?
I have been lurking this community for a good amount of months and was a bit shy to make an account, to be honest. I am a rather shy person and do not know how to get a proper footing within a community but when I saw the amount of prejudice against some gender you don’t even know, I knew someone had to speak up against this. I knew I couldn’t stay silent any further. I knew I had to make an account just to speak up. Everyone who is oppressed and harassed deserves someone to stand up for them and to assure them they are safe and well. Everyone who does not do that is an awful person. I don’t want to be an awful person. I can’t be the bystander any longer. Fuck, I was so angry that I just didn’t care about doing anything else, in fact. I am so abhorred at the lack of standards in this specific post that you made me pretty much make an account just to stand up for this one random person. I’m just a silly corvid from a silly system.
If, in fact, that one single article is about you, you admit to being a narcissist
okay, the fact you need to point that out is absolutely ridiculous. what’s wrong with being narcissistic? nobody chooses to be one.
Please refrain from speaking so harshly about a beloved community member
if your “beloved community member” is pretty much willing to deny the lived experiences and interpretation of an intersex person, someone whose experiences and identity are still widely discriminated against and quite literally forcibly put surgeries upon from a young age for them to fit within the binary sex/gender bullshit that’s forced upon all of us, then maybe your community should rethink its standards and its views on intersex people.
I don’t want to play psychologist, especially because I’m not qualified, but
the typical “I don’t want to do something that’s clearly wrong and bigoted, but” response. if someone were to say “I don’t want to be racist, especially since I attended a BLM protest, but [spews out racist stuff]”, you’d understand that is wrong. So why not understand that when you’re armchair diagnosing someone, you could be ableist towards them?
I’m mention the narcissism because it’s relevant to the topic of you playing victim and harassing a gay man for days, maybe weeks, maybe months, because of a difference of opinion.
I sure love someone playing the victim here. Also “difference of opinion”? I love how you’re repeating fascist talking points here.
You are continuing to edit wiki articles, make alt accounts, and make targeted harassing statements
let’s address these points one by one. you first say that person edits Wiki articles. as if… that’s a problem? they’re that gender, they have the sources and information to gather for their own gender, and we all know gender is a far more complex and subjective concept than, say, atoms or molecules. those ones are pretty objective and verifiable, but gender isn’t, because gender is a part of the self, a part of the whole experience, which does include sexuality and the alike.
Psychology is not bigoted. It is a science. I enjoy researching it as a hobby, but am not an expert.
every science can hold bigoted beliefs that are then rationalized and justified as science. did you not learn about “race science” or about the Nazis? they used “science” to justify their beliefs that Black or Jewish people should be wiped off the Earth. you’re also using “science” to justify bigotry against narcissistic people.
You have still yet to show me any shred of evidence of him saying what you claim he said.
this is how I’m going to prove it to you that your claims of me being an alt — which shows a lot about you and not me — by saying this: I don’t know what he actually said, but I know what you and what DroneRights said. and I have engaged with the subject of queer theory and queerness in general for a number of years on many other social medias before joining this one today. this is my first ever exposure to this topic and I genuinely do not know what he said, but I can tell that its arguments are far more convincing and elaborate than yours, and that your arguments are pretty much internet fascist rhetoric for the most part.
yes, I am doing a lot of ranting. I fucking am. because I care about queer people and it seems like all you do is weaponize your identity to justify your bigotry. also, for someone who fancies themselves to be a psychologist, I don’t think you truly understand the way slight subtleties can be the telltale difference between a person or another.
for instance, I will share with you a memory about an intersex person we met, one of the first ones we met online. it was about the pandemic era. we were exploiring our identity and figured out we were a demiboy (already proof that we are not DroneRights’ alt, because it never said anything about being a demiboy from what I’m aware) and possibly lesbian, and we were on this server called Neuroqueer. there was a trans man called Asher on there. he was a kind, sweet and caring person who was very silly and very cheerful. he told us at some point he is also intersex and would talk about the intersection between his intersexuality and his transness. DroneRights is not the first nor the last intersex person we will have encountered online, but we took the time to understand intersex people, to understand queerness fully and completely, and to make sure that, every time someone who is intersex is harassed and targeted, or appears to be targeted, for us to be good allies and stand up to them. maybe this will come as a shocker to you, but I don’t think an alt would just say this out of the blue: we are not intersex. but we need to stand up for intersex people anyway. to insinuate that I am simply an alt is simply based on your previous assumptions and on whatever happened within your community, which I don’t know. I do not know anything about your community, but I can tell based on what I’ve read so far that your community sucks and that someone needs to say the quiet part aloud.
Star Trek. There’s a character, 7/9, who starts the series identifying as nonbinary. 7/9 is held prisoner by the protagonists and its cybernetic implants are surgically removed, and then the captain of the ship grooms it into, in her own words, “becoming a woman”. There’s also an undercurrent of homophobia in the whole situation, because “becoming a woman” means pursuing men. I’m nonbinary and intersex, and in a conversation where I said I identified with 7/9, Stamets (a cis guy), called me a transphobic troll for having a gender similar to 7/9’s. He also said I was deadnaming “Seven” by referring to it with numerals instead of letters.
7/9’s story is not simple and it’s not unproblematic. I can understand why a trans woman would identity with 7/9 for similar reasons that I did. But when a cis guy says his interpretation is the only correct one, talks over trans people, and accuses me of faking my gender, that crosses a line. Stamets believes that my gender is transphobic, because it supposedly harms the respectability of binary trans people who aim to assimilate into patriarchal culture.
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Keep in mind that after it was separated from the collective while crying out in pain and despair, it was then forcefully sexed, forcefully humanized, mutilated, and brainwashed. It cries in pain every time it is reminded of its time with humans at the beginning of its life, back when it was forced to identify as female because it was born with a vagina.
I do not argue that the Borg are in the right. But I certainly think that the Federation are at least as much in the wrong as the Borg are. There is no textual evidence that 7/9 ever chose a female identity or accepted one willingly. It cried in pain and dysphoria and dread when it was mutilated and forcefully sexed. I cried the same way when I, an asexual nonbinary person, was forcefully sexed by puberty. When every adult I knew said I would have to participate in heterosexuality and I had no choice. I pursued hetereosexual relationships because I was told I had to.
We don’t have enough stories about trans women. But we have ONE story about dronegender people. Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjuct of Unimatrix Zero One. That is the ONLY story we have. There are no other stories in the whole world about people like me. I don’t think trans women have enough representation in media. But why do they have to claim a “trans woman” who was given surgery against its will as one of them, when I have absolutely nothing?
Stamets does not even say the two stories can exist in parallel. Stamets says my very existence is an insult to trans women. That claiming the only representation of my gender in the whole world is transphobic.
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No. Nobody is born a man, woman, boy, girl, or anything else. Babies have no gender. Gender identity begins developing at age 2-3, solidifies at age 4, and continues to develop into adulthood. In some people, such as genderfluid people, it never solidifies into a single state. Psychologists have demonstrated that gender forms during early childhood at length. Sociologists have for a very long time said that gender is a social construct (NOT a biological one), and have pointed out that different cultures have different numbers of genders. Do you think it’s a cosmic coincidence that bissu-gender people are only born in Bugis society and not in other cultures? No. The bissu gender, like all genders, is socially formed.
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Those studies that say age 4 are not absolute, as I said, some humans retain a fluid gender. And besides that, Borg do not have human neurochemistry.
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No, they have a formerly-human brain filled with cybernetics. And by saying I’m not a Borg, do you mean to argue that I’m a gender different than what I identify as?
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No, that’s an overly specific definition. Broadly, a drone is any agent remotely controlled by another intelligence. For example, computer scientists create swarms of drones in simulations, robotocists create drones for photography and the military, science fiction writers write stories about drones in space, and offices are full of drones that do little to no thinking for themselves.
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You can read more here: https://swarmgender.carrd.co
The person in that article isn’t me. But if it were me, then who the hell are the other people that drone mentions being in their swarm? They say there’s 4 drones and a queen.
I’m gonna be clear; I don’t like you. You think that xenogenders require sources. That’s absurd. You also look down on people with mental disorders like NPD. I think you’re transphobic and ableist, and a gatekeeper. I don’t care about your opinion of 7/9, because you’ve not given me any evidence you respect nonbinary people other than yourself. You’ve given me evidence that you’ll attack fellow nonbinary people for their disabilities and doubt their own experiences.
The existence of drones as a kink (which that carrd does specifically call out for some reason) is explicitly offensive to me and it’s the one kink I’m unafraid to shame. A mind or a body is a lovely thing to have, and one should remain in charge of their own.
Too bad, people are sexualising my gender because it’s hot.
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Yes, I sexualise people of my own gender. It’s called being gay, you fucking homophobe. Do I “admit” to being gay? Yes, I do.
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Well I wouldn’t have called you homophobic if you didn’t attack me for being attracted to my own gender. Maybe you could apologise and then I’d say you’re not homophobic anymore.
can you please stop kinkshaming people and shaming people for having a raunchier or more fetishistic gender? you can thank the people who “strangely” sexualize shit like bondage or leather for your rights today as a queer person. these “weirdos” are the ones who will actually fight for your right and for your very existence as whoever you want to be. if you want to be close minded just because a gender is raunchy and naughty, then do as you please. but I would like it if you, instead of commenting, took some time and analyzed the idea of downright dismissing someone’s gender because it’s a fetish. dronegender people aren’t the ones who take away human rights left and right; cisgender heterosexual people, the ones whose genders aren’t what you view as a “fetish” do. this stuff is absolutely harmless to you and to the people who engage in it. for many people, being part of a wider swarm can, in fact, wound a part of their personality disorder which quite literally affects their ego and their sense of self-worth, both as the leader or the follower of the swarm. and if it can help people be better, who are we to judge and ostracize them?
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I have been lurking this community for a good amount of months and was a bit shy to make an account, to be honest. I am a rather shy person and do not know how to get a proper footing within a community but when I saw the amount of prejudice against some gender you don’t even know, I knew someone had to speak up against this. I knew I couldn’t stay silent any further. I knew I had to make an account just to speak up. Everyone who is oppressed and harassed deserves someone to stand up for them and to assure them they are safe and well. Everyone who does not do that is an awful person. I don’t want to be an awful person. I can’t be the bystander any longer. Fuck, I was so angry that I just didn’t care about doing anything else, in fact. I am so abhorred at the lack of standards in this specific post that you made me pretty much make an account just to stand up for this one random person. I’m just a silly corvid from a silly system.
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I haven’t met another drone on the fediverse. I’ve met other drones.
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okay, the fact you need to point that out is absolutely ridiculous. what’s wrong with being narcissistic? nobody chooses to be one.
if your “beloved community member” is pretty much willing to deny the lived experiences and interpretation of an intersex person, someone whose experiences and identity are still widely discriminated against and quite literally forcibly put surgeries upon from a young age for them to fit within the binary sex/gender bullshit that’s forced upon all of us, then maybe your community should rethink its standards and its views on intersex people.
the typical “I don’t want to do something that’s clearly wrong and bigoted, but” response. if someone were to say “I don’t want to be racist, especially since I attended a BLM protest, but [spews out racist stuff]”, you’d understand that is wrong. So why not understand that when you’re armchair diagnosing someone, you could be ableist towards them?
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I sure love someone playing the victim here. Also “difference of opinion”? I love how you’re repeating fascist talking points here.
let’s address these points one by one. you first say that person edits Wiki articles. as if… that’s a problem? they’re that gender, they have the sources and information to gather for their own gender, and we all know gender is a far more complex and subjective concept than, say, atoms or molecules. those ones are pretty objective and verifiable, but gender isn’t, because gender is a part of the self, a part of the whole experience, which does include sexuality and the alike.
every science can hold bigoted beliefs that are then rationalized and justified as science. did you not learn about “race science” or about the Nazis? they used “science” to justify their beliefs that Black or Jewish people should be wiped off the Earth. you’re also using “science” to justify bigotry against narcissistic people.
this is how I’m going to prove it to you that your claims of me being an alt — which shows a lot about you and not me — by saying this: I don’t know what he actually said, but I know what you and what DroneRights said. and I have engaged with the subject of queer theory and queerness in general for a number of years on many other social medias before joining this one today. this is my first ever exposure to this topic and I genuinely do not know what he said, but I can tell that its arguments are far more convincing and elaborate than yours, and that your arguments are pretty much internet fascist rhetoric for the most part.
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yes, I am doing a lot of ranting. I fucking am. because I care about queer people and it seems like all you do is weaponize your identity to justify your bigotry. also, for someone who fancies themselves to be a psychologist, I don’t think you truly understand the way slight subtleties can be the telltale difference between a person or another.
for instance, I will share with you a memory about an intersex person we met, one of the first ones we met online. it was about the pandemic era. we were exploiring our identity and figured out we were a demiboy (already proof that we are not DroneRights’ alt, because it never said anything about being a demiboy from what I’m aware) and possibly lesbian, and we were on this server called Neuroqueer. there was a trans man called Asher on there. he was a kind, sweet and caring person who was very silly and very cheerful. he told us at some point he is also intersex and would talk about the intersection between his intersexuality and his transness. DroneRights is not the first nor the last intersex person we will have encountered online, but we took the time to understand intersex people, to understand queerness fully and completely, and to make sure that, every time someone who is intersex is harassed and targeted, or appears to be targeted, for us to be good allies and stand up to them. maybe this will come as a shocker to you, but I don’t think an alt would just say this out of the blue: we are not intersex. but we need to stand up for intersex people anyway. to insinuate that I am simply an alt is simply based on your previous assumptions and on whatever happened within your community, which I don’t know. I do not know anything about your community, but I can tell based on what I’ve read so far that your community sucks and that someone needs to say the quiet part aloud.