I don’t really want to delete my history, so I’m editing all my top comments to include:
>Edit 2023/06/10: Leaving Reddit due to /u/spez doubling down on API changes. Will keep post history for future visitors.
I doubt Reddit didn’t make backups of their databases anyways so this will let more people know what’s going on.
You know you can download your data before you delete it, right?
The problem is other people can’t find that data.
If Reddit doesn’t back down, I will likelky be shutting down my subreddit. But I’ll put it in read-only mode rather than killing it entirely, because there is useful information there and I don’t want to contribute to link rot.
Doesn’t Reddit deserve link rot at this point? And contrariwise, does Reddit deserve to capitalize on your work and the work of the members of your subreddit?
I wonder what your members might say if you put it to them?
Would archiving it on the wayback machine or archive.is be feasible? Or is it just too much work?
I get it, but leaving your data intact still drives traffic to the site. I hate that I’ll be wiping my account, but I’m not about to let reddit continue profiting off me while they’re so clearly uncaring of what the users want and care about.
You do you, but they don’t deserve your comments, your takes, any of it.
I’m not understanding a shit about kbin vs lemmy, but in doubt I just created an account on both and I’m on my way to delete my reddit account. Hi new friends!
Same here, both seem to work decently once i wrapped around the concepts but i’ll be patiently waiting to see where the masses organically migrate to.
Both are a struggle to navigate on mobile though until more app devs hop on.
Lemmy and kbin are different things which work on the same backend and are part of the fediverse. Similar to how mastodon is fediverse counterpart of Twitter, lemmy is fediverse counterpart of Reddit, and kbin is a unique thing which is more akin to old school blogging sites.
Okay, now that’s more clear, but I’m struggling to understand if I have to use all of them separately or I can do it all through kbin…I can use Lemmy and Mastodon through kbin somehow, right?
You can access and comment in Lemmy from kbin, but I’m not sure if you can do the same for Mastodon. But Mastodon users can certainly use their accounts to comment on Lemmy. The beauty of the fediverse (or threadiverse, as some guys like to call it)
Okay thanks. I’ll try to find out more
I’ve gone ahead and made accounts on all of these services: lemmy, kbin, mastodon
Whichever interface I enjoy the most will likely be the main one I keep using for commenting/etc
this whole fediverse thing is pretty exciting and reminds me of old reddit, in a good way
Kbin is sort of a hybrid between Lemmy and Mastodon. “Magazines” are their equivalent of Lemmy communities/Reddit subreddits, while the “Microblog” section is like a Mastodon/Twitter feed. You should be able to follow Lemmy communities and Mastodon users both on kbin.
I think Mastodon users can follow Lemmy communities and comment on Lemmy through Mastodon, too, though from what I’ve read the Mastodon UI isn’t really set up to show Lemmy content in an organized way with good threading since its main aim is to support microblogging and following individual users. There are some things in the fediverse that you can do from multiple platforms, but will have an easier time doing it from a platform that is designed around that function.
Since u/spez seems to want to continue down this road and bar people of experiencing reddit the way they want, I decided to delete all of my post and comment history within my account there.
It’s obvious that those of us that want to continue to use 3rd party apps are considered dead weight in his eyes, so I decided that anything and everything I posted is likely of no value to Reddit.
It’s us the users who create & place value within that platform. In subjects of our interests. Reddit company is adamant with their decision with limiting our precense alone.
Make sense that people have started migrating into other places/ services such as this one.
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Try PowerDeleteSuite on GitHub.
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No problem!
If that doesn’t work:
I’ll replace all of my content for “fuck u/spez” once I get it backed up.
I’m imagining every Redditor editing all of their comments to this, and Reddit slowly becoming nothing but “fuck u/spez” as it fades away. Like the last r/place when everything was taken over pixel by pixel with white squares. Kind of bittersweet.
He responded to a whole 14 questions. Truly, a hard day’s work for the CEO of Reddit.
Don’t worry, the answer he gave were all pre-written anyway. Probably not by him!
He had a monocle measuring to get to
I’m all for users migrating here but there’s so much vitriol from these users which I don’t think benefits a platform like this. I for one would like to see people leave their hate for Reddit at the door and not use this as a haven for their rage.
well i didn’t expect much
well i wondered if it would be possible for reddit to walk back their decisions but it appears that they won’t, which sucks a lot
it was a fun ride for the last… almost 17 years. but I’m out on June 30th. I’m happy to make a new home here on Lemmy!
After seeing the responses, I realized Reddit is a lost cause and deleted my account of 11 years. My “exit interview” answers were… salty.
It’s unfortunate you went about it the way you did since they can still monetize off of the entirety of your comment and post history. When you delete your account, all your comments and posts remain. They’re just no longer attached to your account name since that is what you deleted.
I was a bit more malicious and did the opposite by keeping my account intact, but gutting everything from within. So now every thread I ever commented in has “user deleted comment” sprinkled all throughout hundreds or thousands of threads.
My account is now a fine metaphor for what reddit has become. Just a hollow facade of what it once was.
I deleted all my posts before I left :) I couldn’t be arsed to do it for comments, though.
It’s probably a good thing, the fediverse will thrive because of it, and we’ll never have to worry about the horrible monopoly-on-communities doing something ridiculous anymore.
"[…] recording and leaking a private phone call—to the point where I don’t know how we could do business with him.”
Well, Selig did wait with leaking that phone call until he felt like all the bridges had been more than burned from Reddit’s side and he officially did not want to do business with Reddit anymore, so I don’t think that will be an issue…
In fairness, he posted the recording after Spez repeated something false about the call Selig was on.
You can’t fire me! I quit!
@Knusper And, more than that: it shows the typical modus operandi of the Shitty and Pissy Evil Zombie. When people don’t fall for his bullshit, he tries to divert attention into something else, an intrinsically disingenuous tactic. All of that with the implicit consent of the company as a whole.
And as a self-fulfilling prophecy this justifies the recording. If you’re going to deal with a company that should not be trusted, you need to protect yourself, and that is what Selig did.
I feel like this person’s comment re the AMA deserves a wider audience 😂
Kinda glad this happened. This is getting so much more PR than Spez could have anticipated. Former Apollo user here, loving the app on iOS & it’s pretty straightforward. Hope this gets more active and i think this might be my new home :)
You mean app as in Apollo for iOS or app as there’s something for kbin?
Apollo for iOS. I’ve been a beta tester of it for ~5ish years.
I’m living in hope that this will catch on and Christian and the other third-party developers will work on Fediverse apps…
hopefully! I really love his how he does his designs & his very open transparency.
There is Mlem listed on https://join-lemmy.org/apps
It’s an early test flight build - and there are some bugs - but it seems to work at least!
I’m using it now. It really has a way to go, but it’s a new app and I’m totally fine being patient with development.
I can really see this app becoming the next Apollo. The devs seem to be hard at work.
If the devs see this, thank you again for this app. So far, I’m really loving it 🙏🙏
So happy to see quick app development for Lemmy. I did most of my redditing fsom my phone with third party apps since they predate the original app. In the early 2000s internet, I joined a smallish community just like Beehaw called Netalive.org. Hoping this community can re-create the feeling of talking to people without a mass lurker audience.
The basic mistake I see us all make is assume that Spez has any emotional attachment to Reddit (let alone anything close to how attached we are to it). He doesn’t.
Once you realize that he’s 100% in it for the money and is utterly uncaring about Reddit’s users (i.e. you), you’ll realize that he couldn’t give less of a shit about actually addressing our concerns.
This will also make you immune to any PR sanitising lies him and his team spout, as all such lies hinge on your willingness to give him some benefit of the doubt. We shouldn’t.
yeah pretty much
spez sees 3rd party users as an obstacle between himself and more money. so he will gladly trade the bad pr and loss of certain users if it means that even a small fraction end up switching to the official app and it gains him another 0.1% in wealth for the IPO
he claimed that old.reddit wasn’t going anywhere, but we all know that it will be crippled to the point of unusability
We shouldn’t give the benefit of the doubt to a man who’s shown himself on multiple occasions completely incapable of good faith any more than a hedgehog should give an owl the benefit of the doubt.
a hedgehog should give an owl the benefit of the doubt
I didn’t realize that owls and hedgehogs were mortal enemies.
To be fair it probably depends on the species of owls and hedgehogs involved, I know owls will sometimes go for hedgehogs here in the UK.
The example I give again, and again, and again is Craig Newmark, founder of Craigslist. Craigslist remains private (which shields it from being gutted by Wall Street vultures, for sure) so we don’t know for sure, but Craig is believed to retain a controlling stake alongside current CEO Jim Buckmaster and eBay (which purchased a large stake from an exiting employee).
Craigslist makes about $600 million annually, and I’m sure provides a nice living for the executives and employees there, but has remained true to its core function of providing transparent and easy classifieds posting to everyone (mostly for free, even!)
Notice what happens when an organization becomes a vehicle for profit, beyond simply “self-sustaining profit.” Notice how taking on investors practically guarantees that outcome.
I thought Reddit was dead the day Conde Nast bought it. They’ve survived quite a bit longer! This day had to come. Let’s move on.
We can build something that primarily exists to create a community.
I had no idea Conde Nast bought Reddit. That is unreal. As someone who used to adore Wired magazine, fuck Conde Nast!
Yeah, no use saving Reddit. Give up your darling, let better things take over.
I was surprised by how insane the ama got. Considering Reddit is a major social media platform, I expected them to act more professional and pretend to care about people’s input, attempting to make their users look like they are at least fine with these changes. I prefer the actual outcome more, love how spez doubled down on the allegations he made against Apollo while everyone blasts Reddit so much they can’t do much about it unless they start taking extreme measures.
He ‘doubled down’ because there was nothing else he could do. Iamthatis was meticulous in his takedown, and short of apologizing, there was nothing spez could say to make it better.
Then he should have apologized?
Absolutely should have apologized. Who knows what he’s thinking.
At least FlyingLaserTurtle apologized. Kinda felt hollow to me though compared to what he said.
It was good that they apologised but it probably the easiest thing out of the long, long list to apologise for.
Agreed, and while nice that it happened, doing so when you are just plain wrong is kind of the bare minimum.
You know that’s a big no no from his legal team.
His legal team more likely advised him to not comment on it. Doubling down is just slander / libel. If his legal team did tell him to talk more about it AND to not apologize, his legal team is big dumb
spez also just seems incredibly salty for someone that must have everything in life, yeesh
Agreed, I have no idea how he thought it was a good idea. I’m sure his PR and legal team tried to talk him out of it - or they’re all idiot yes men. Cards were already stacked against him and he just made it all worse.
A fitting death knell for Reddit that their CEO would have an emergency AMA go down as one of the worst ones of all time. This week is going to be one for the internet history books. I’m really looking forward to Monday.
Let’s be real - I don’t think reddit is going anywhere quite yet, even after this. It’s going to get worse and worse while heavily active users and mods start to leave and stuff, but it’s shambling corpse will still exist for a long time in a heavily advertised hell scape with shit to non-existant moderarion.
The truth of the matter is that while the real die hards like us will find a home in places like this, the vast majority will not care. Honestly, I’m fine with that. Most the people coming in to places like that aren’t the ones driving good discussion
I can definitely see reddit slowly declining like twitter has been, but never fully dying. I do wonder what will happen with content creators who have their communities there, will they move to fedi or will they stay like many did on twitter?
yeah discord is a horrible option…
Agreed, it’s honestly kinda refreshing to have a space with smaller, more engaged communities. The conversations I’ve had so far on here have been much more enjoyable than most I’ve had on reddit in the past few years.
This is what I’ve liked the most about mastodon. Large communities do not mean better. Also the less content there is to consume, the more I think and share.
I’m already checking lemmy more regularly than I am checking Reddit.
exactly
keep the low effort users on twitter/reddit and it makes the conversations on mastodon/lemmy feel a million times more fulfilling and engaging because the people that are here actually put in some effort to join
Rip reddit
Idk what the point of the ama even was, it’s not like he was going to hear anyone out, and everyone that commented was just asking “why are you such a bad person?”
I -think- that it was to try and keep mods around by ensuring that they won’t (maybe) take away their tools.
Yes yes we are working on mod tools they will be there “soon” - reddit for the last 8 years.
“Why are you such a bad person?” - because money.
