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It’s been attempted in various spots, but either reddit itself removes the mentions or edits them out
Lol I can’t wait till this is national news, right before they go for their IPO.
I hope that this protest does something
Agree. I ended up deleting my 11+ year old account. I was holding out that they’d reverse course but I felt like they also need to see some users leaving as well.
I’m sceptical. If most subs only protest for 2 days, then all Reddit has to do is weather the storm and then continue on. The only way I see it having any further impact is if many large subs black out indefinitely.
Reddit would either be forced to make concessions or escalate even further by removing the mods of the protesting subs and forcing it open again. That would be a further sign of bad faith and really piss off all these mods that spent up to a decade doing moderation for free.
You make it sound like Reddit does not have the option to turn the subreddit on and replace the mods. However, the users who actually really do care about reddit will leave and will have to take their content with them.
It will. It will make the mods and the power-users realise that Reddit don’t care and won’t change course. Then it’s up to them.
I don’t give it much time until they start replacing the mods if the blackout drags on for long.
Replacing them with who? Reddit, Inc doesn’t have anywhere near enough personnel, and replacing them with random subreddit subscribers will probably be disastrous.
Yes, I agree. It would be logical to assume they’re confidentially seeking out new prospective moderators behind the scenes at this moment ready to take over.
It will be like having anti popes. if I were have to gone on a long vacation - like 5 or 6 weeks, I am guessing when I returned I might not even notice anything different for a while if I didnt use an app to access. I’m sure they will ban anyone who mentions the great schism.
I completely agree. Reddit has shown no indication of backing down. They will just wait for it to finish if the lockdown is as short as ~48 hours. If a major/big sub goes on lockdown indefinitely, they’ll open it and replace the mods. I’m pretty sure there are tons of people out there willing to mod a big subreddit like r/videos for one reason or another. The reddit of the digg migration era is gone. It’s just corporate reddit now.
I’m glad some subreddits are going dark for good, not only will this actually hurt reddit as a company but also it will lead to some people switching to alternatives like lemmy which is always a good thing.
I am so happy to see people coming together and moving away from commercial platforms. It feels silly to say it, but it seems like it is a step in the right direction. It is technological and social progress. Decentralization is a really fantastic tool and it seems to be a system that cannot be controlled internally or externally. Mastodon has been great, and I expect Lemmy to be even better.
To anyone reading, if you have any extra cash, look into making a small donation to your instance. The people running it are not just putting in time, they are likely paying hundreds a month to rent server space.
Well said 👏👏
Money is going to be the deciding factor in the long-term health of the entire Fediverse. More users on each instance means more costs – and to some extent, even users not on that instance will contribute to cost. That money has to come from somewhere, and eventually, if the Fediverse is going to scale up to even a sizable portion of what we’re moving away from, we need real, consistent money involved. It doesn’t have to be full VC corpo junk, but eventually, some instances are going to need a team.
I want this stuff to work great, but expecting the people running it to pay the cost forever isn’t sustainable.
They could add the sites as brave creators and get some revenue from that.Its depends on the number of users but anything helps
Unfortunately, the way federation works means that a 100 user instance that never grows past that can still see cost increases from the ecosystem growing. The number of network effects involved in all of this makes planning for meaningful sustainability a lot more difficult.
Your right. I overlooked the network itself. Thanks for the added perspective 👍
would it be a good idea to have comment/post rewards like gold/silver etc. where the proceeds go to help fund instances?
So… it could work. But that’s not going to be consistent, and the federated nature of things like Lemmy makes for some weird structures. Can you give rewards across instances? What if one instance has “gold” at $1, but another has it at $0.50?
Maybe you have to buy them from the instance you’re using them on?
That starts running into a few issues. It’s high friction (“You mean I have to enter card details every time I want to do this on someone from a new instance?”) and it has some serious risk of disproportionate impacts.
ooo good point. i knew someone smarter than me would elucidate this. danke.
People are usually more willing to spend some money on community projects such as an instance they like. This could be a financially viable way to fund online platforms like Lemmy.
Donations are not consistent, that’s the big trouble. Especially after a big exodus, people may move, and they may donate for a while, but those donations will typically drop off eventually, even if they keep using it.
You’re right that people are usually more willing to spend on community projects, and that’s largely true - but watching open-source software as long as I have, I know that donations rarely cover things in the long-term, and most of the projects that are funded well enough to have a team behind them are actually funded by corporations. Heck, even getting one person able to run an instance as a full time gig is going to be difficult without it turning corporate.
Yeah, consistency is a problem. Perhaps we should implement some sort of Lemmy Coin solution that would allow people to show their appreciation to quality posts and support the instance at the same time.
Federation frustrates that, as well – for cross-instance posts, what’s the split? 50/50? What if one instance is charging $1 per coin, but another is $0.50 per coin, what price becomes paid? How will you even ensure that the split can occur reliably? Heck, how will you handle trying to do that transfer internationally?
I know I’m probably coming across as a downer, but without answering these questions, we don’t have a solution, we just have a patchwork of ideas that people worked on and implemented without every providing anything useful. I want this to succeed, desperately. I’m tired of corporate interests ruining everything – but we can’t succeed at this without figuring out these long-term issues.
Hmm… Those are valid points.
I can’t come up with anything brilliant, so I’ll just give you my mediocre idea instead. Let’s say there’s an “award foundation“ where you can buy “Lemmy gold” and other awards for a fixed piece. When you find a post worthy of the award, the value is spread among everyone involved. One third to your instance, one third to the instance of the recipient of the award and one third to the instance where the conversion was had.
Good. I’m done with reddit forever.
I hope there’s enough information there for refugees to arrive here safely
I own a subreddit that I’ll admit that it isn’t the largest but I’m going to be putting a link to the new corresponding Kbin magazine in the private message. I’m hoping other subreddits will as well
You’re doing the lord’s work
It’s more complicated than signing up for Reddit, but really just by 1 degree.
I’m lurking Reddit a bit on Apollo still and see so many posts that have “Grandma trying to figure out a smartphone” energy making it seem like some insurmountable task, or complaining about the questionnaire without stopping to realize what a tidal wave of signups is happening.
Perhaps it’s for the best. If people can’t be bothered for something so simple, they might not be good fits anyways.
There have been some privacy concerns regarding Lenny’s implementation (deleted posts and whatnot). Which has kept some users second-guessing the change. I have tried aether before coming here, but sadly, there are not enough people there.
I just hope that the community from Reddit doesn’t spread itself out too much :(
I just hope that the community from Reddit doesn’t spread itself out too much :(
Why? Decentralisation is a good thing.
Decentralisation is a good thing.
Only if the community and information don’t get fragmented into smaller and smaller hard to find places.
You mean, like Discord? There’s decentralisation which works (Fediverse) and decentralisation which doesn’t (gated/closed off communities like Discord).
It’s important for resiliency, but I’m afraid that many communities will loose a lot of value when they don’t agree on a place to go
what’s the value about? Maybe they can form multiple communities? Not everything has to be connected. It’s also OK to be disconnected or spread out as a community from time to time.
Good. Only way users and communities can be heard is to actively shutdown until further notice
It’s a shame promoting Lemmy isn’t part of the blackout
True that. Kinda weird actually to go dark but not providing alternative avenue.
I’ve been promoting Lemmy for the past few days and have gotten my comments removed and downvoted by people claiming that Lemmy was a far left recruiting ground for domestic terrorism lmao
I know, right?
I’m an INTERNATIONAL terrorist, thank you very much.
I’m not about to destroy my OWN country… my government at least does THAT for me!
😄
I suppose many there are also affected by the Apollo debacle too. It just makes that pill even more bitter.
I think so. With the end of Apollo, I have no other way to access Reddit except their mobile website or their app. I have the feeling it’s too late now, Apollo is unlikely to come back, regardless of what Reddit does. Now, I just hope kbin / lemmy will grow enough to become a good alternative (still learning how everything works ^^).
Reddit is already starting to shut down mobile browser access. They’re doing it in waves.
Yes, Kbin/lemmy needs enough good and original content to flourish. What I currently miss is the niche subreddits on lemmy. For specific brands or particular products or hobbies it’s easy to find a community on reddit, but there are only a few already available on lemmy.
You are absolutely right. Reddit was so big that it was possible find a community for everything. I don’t expect kbin/lemmy to get there anytime soon unfortunately.
Even if a community exists for the content you seek, how do you determine the one that is going to grow? There could be a different version of that community on every server, which is the area I’m struggling to find content. Join every alternative is an option.
Unless there is something I’m missing. Quite possible as the federated approach is all new to me.
I don’t expect the duplication to be too much more of an issue here than Reddit. The only big difference is that duplicate forums can have the same name here. I mean, how many meme subreddits were there? At least for me on beehaw, when I search for communities it shows how many subscribers there are. In this period of rapid growth, it’s certainly a bit of a crapshoot and you may need to regularly search communities to see if any take off, but I expect in the next month or so, some communities will become large and their duplicates will pretty clearly die, just like with Reddit.
That was my thought as well, or assumption. I’m new here so it will take a bit to figure out the duplication model and what floats to the top, but I’m in for the adventure. =)
Yep! I’m honestly loving the chaos. It’s been really interesting to see all of the organic growth happening at such a visible rate.
I agree, this is a big value of reddit. It’s only solved with mass migration, about which I am skeptical. We also need more niche communities as folks arrive.
What is stopping you from creating lems for things that you’re passionate about? We have an opportunity here to create a true alternative to reddit, and the more cozy we make it for r/efugees, the better the transition can eventually go!
The great subreddits are full of „self“ posts, not links. How could one recreate that in an authentic way?
Even if they reversed the API changes, sacked Spez, reinstated i.reddit.com, ate an entire bucket of humble pie, and personally paid me £100 I’d still prefer the vibe here to be honest. It’s way less angry and more authentic here.
the only thing that’s worrying me about the subreddits closing indefinitely (even though I wholeheartedly support it), is that people are going to use even more closed off, unsearchable platforms as alternatives. /r/unixporn mods say their only “official” alternative is currently their Discord “server”.
edit: the message on /r/iPhone also directs people to their Discord. sigh.
Not that I think it would happen, but I wonder if Discord could theoretically make publicly discoverable servers directly visible and indexable online?
Discord already has and maintains a web accessed variant of the platform. It’d require some UI for users not logged in and users not registered with a particular publicly visible server, but I’d wager it’s possible. Probably a nightmare to revamp the back-end to make it possible, but possible. It’d kinda feel like how Twitter is indexed and publicly searchable, but platform registration is required to participate, with Discord having the extra layer of server membership on top of a platform account.
It’d probably do nothing about servers that fall in a sort of visibility limbo, though, like servers that are significantly populated but invisible to Discord’s server discovery. Still, I like to daydream that kind of thing would put a dent on the platform’s information visibility issues 🤔.
I’ve seen that a lot of mods are holding power. They want users to migrate to discord because they are mods over there too. Each time I’ve posted one of my communities here I get shadow banned or posts removed. Gets really annoying
Wouldn’t be suprised if more subreddits will follow and start early.
It also has more impact to do it out of the blue.
I would too, given what’s happened recently.
One thing Reddit did right was that it kept your content. Even if you were permanently suspended, you could go in and view your posts. This differs from, e.g., Google where you see people lose all their life’s memories because they got locked out of their account.
I imagine that there are many people who don’t even have a Reddit account, but casually browse it just because there’s so much info in there.
But the users own that content, not Reddit. The best thing to do is to migrate by deleting your content from Reddit and moving it elsewhere. Once a critical mass of content is lost, Reddit’s value drops tremendously.
Who would care when Reddit admins take over and forcibly reopen r/iPhone, if there are no posts left in the subreddit?
the best thing to do is to migrate by deleting your content from Reddit and moving it elsewhere
That’s not really realistic for the type of content that is Reddit. It’s not like blogs or videos or photos that the majority of people have on Reddit. Most people’s “content” on Reddit are bookmarks/links or comments in a discussion threads.
It doesn’t make sense to just re-share a dump of all the links you once shared on Reddit even if you have a list of them.
It also doesn’t make sense to re-share comments out of their discussion context else where.
Do we know for sure that deleted content on reddit is actually deleted? It’s not unheard of for things to just get a “deleted” flag in the database to stop displaying them, while still keeping the original content. Restoring deleted content would be fairly simply if that were the case.
They probably also keep backups of their data so if it were deleted, they could probably quite easily restore it again.
Deleting your content is letting reddit off easy. Thats why I plan on editing every comment I’ve ever made with something like. "This comment was removed in retaliation of reddit’s 3rd party api strategy. I suggest using alternatives like lemmy,etc " On a 10 year old acount and 1000’s of comments, a lot of people are going to see that when coming across old threads.
If they don’t delete your data entirely, it’s a major CCPA and GDPR violation.
I’m not familiar with the details of the CCPA, but AFAIK under GDPR you need to actually request the deletion of data by invoking article 17. Just going through your account and deleting posts is not the same thing.
Also, this only applies to “personal data”. You’d probably need to ask a lawyer if posts on reddit can be deemed to be personal data on principle, but IMO as long as the posts don’t contain any personal identifiable data themselves, it should be enough to remove the username linked to the data like reddit is currently doing if you delete your account. The data would then no longer be linked to an individual and therefore would no longer be personal data.
IANAL, this is just my personal interpretation and I might very well be wrong.
And do you need to be either a California or EU resident for CCPA or GDPR regs to even be relevant to you? Because that’s not most people.
They delete comments referencing lemmy
