Embrace, extend, extinguish. They’ll play nice with the Fediverse for a while. Maybe years. But then they’ll introduce a new feature to the Fediverse as a “good will gesture”. Then they’ll make features available to only people federated with Threads. Then they’ll make features only people on Threads can see. And so on and so forth. We SHOULD care where the content comes from. Platforms that are neutral should be where our content comes from.
You’re just describing how the fediverse works.
One social network that is partially comparable with another network. Like subscribing to pixelated from mastodon, etc. not all features are available, but some are.
Not only is there no such thing as a neutral platform, but the decentralization of mastodon and the fediverse in general is specifically to address that.
The danger of meta is their data scraping - something they can already do anyway without their own servers being federated.
Why?
Why are humans who use threads so repulsive to you that you leave an entire federated social network just because some people used a particular server?
Well, that’s what has always been mentioned, defederated from them, AFAIK there’s no way of blocking it completely from the fediverse, so if your instance’s admin wants they can decide to not block them and you can interact with meta.
If your instance defederates and you want to still see their activity then you can choose an instance which is still federated with them.
That’s actually the most interesting concern I’ve seen raised about this. I hadn’t thought about that. The embrace, extend, extinguish thing is what you see most people raise as a issue.
They don’t need ActivityPub for that. Nearly everything on the fediverse is public and scrapable. If they want to monetize fediverse data, they already can
Because I don’t want Facebook to get my content, nor do I want their content in my feeds. I joined the fediverse to be as far away from corpos (facebook, twitter, youtube) as possible.
Infinity grow is a mirage. We need to understand that. It’s fine if a social media as a limit.
What’s important is how you manage to keep it in life. Even here, you have a limit. It’s conservative to think that it will last for ever as you will encontre the same issue as with infinite grow.
The fact is that thing appear, have a lifespan and die. Social media aren’t immune to it.
And hopefully no instance will federate with them… Right?
Tell that to this guy
Mhm, just because John Mastodon embraces Meta doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
Couldn’t just some of y’all defed instead of blocking it wholesale for everyone?
I thought one of the main perks of federation was user choice?
Yeah and we choose you going somewhere else to play with Facebook.
That’s true this place could really use less users.
This place is growing just fine already, we don’t need to dump 141 million new accounts into it overnight.
That’s not how federation and mastodon works, and you know that very well.
Simply don’t follow anyone on threads if you don’t wanna see thread content. But who TF cares where the content comes from?
Embrace, extend, extinguish. They’ll play nice with the Fediverse for a while. Maybe years. But then they’ll introduce a new feature to the Fediverse as a “good will gesture”. Then they’ll make features available to only people federated with Threads. Then they’ll make features only people on Threads can see. And so on and so forth. We SHOULD care where the content comes from. Platforms that are neutral should be where our content comes from.
You’re just describing how the fediverse works. One social network that is partially comparable with another network. Like subscribing to pixelated from mastodon, etc. not all features are available, but some are. Not only is there no such thing as a neutral platform, but the decentralization of mastodon and the fediverse in general is specifically to address that.
The danger of meta is their data scraping - something they can already do anyway without their own servers being federated.
I care. If I start seeing content from Meta in the fediverse I’ll probably just leave.
Why? Why are humans who use threads so repulsive to you that you leave an entire federated social network just because some people used a particular server?
It’s not because of the humans. Like many other people, I think Facebook/Meta is cancer on society. I don’t want anything to do with it.
I also have other reasons I don’t like the fediverse that would make it easier to walk away, especially the political extremism.
Well, that’s what has always been mentioned, defederated from them, AFAIK there’s no way of blocking it completely from the fediverse, so if your instance’s admin wants they can decide to not block them and you can interact with meta.
If your instance defederates and you want to still see their activity then you can choose an instance which is still federated with them.
This is a bad take.
Worth noting that Meta through threads currently plans to collect and monetize the data of all users that it federates with.
That’s actually the most interesting concern I’ve seen raised about this. I hadn’t thought about that. The embrace, extend, extinguish thing is what you see most people raise as a issue.
They don’t need ActivityPub for that. Nearly everything on the fediverse is public and scrapable. If they want to monetize fediverse data, they already can
Meta also doesn’t need to federate in order to do that, since federation just accesses public data.
Because?
Because I don’t want Facebook to get my content, nor do I want their content in my feeds. I joined the fediverse to be as far away from corpos (facebook, twitter, youtube) as possible.
Facebook, and literally anyone else, can already get all your content.
It would take all of a second to scrape your user page. Obviously that wouldn’t grant your IP address or anything, but neither would federation.
Why would they if they want the Fediverse to grow. Gatekeeping is awful.
Infinity grow is a mirage. We need to understand that. It’s fine if a social media as a limit.
What’s important is how you manage to keep it in life. Even here, you have a limit. It’s conservative to think that it will last for ever as you will encontre the same issue as with infinite grow.
The fact is that thing appear, have a lifespan and die. Social media aren’t immune to it.
no help of big company needed for growth
I don’t want the fediverse to grow if it has anything to do with Meta.