And hopefully no instance will federate with them… Right?
Tell that to this guy
Mhm, just because John Mastodon embraces Meta doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
Couldn’t just some of y’all defed instead of blocking it wholesale for everyone?
I thought one of the main perks of federation was user choice?
Yeah and we choose you going somewhere else to play with Facebook.
That’s true this place could really use less users.
This place is growing just fine already, we don’t need to dump 141 million new accounts into it overnight.
That’s not how federation and mastodon works, and you know that very well.
Simply don’t follow anyone on threads if you don’t wanna see thread content. But who TF cares where the content comes from?
Embrace, extend, extinguish. They’ll play nice with the Fediverse for a while. Maybe years. But then they’ll introduce a new feature to the Fediverse as a “good will gesture”. Then they’ll make features available to only people federated with Threads. Then they’ll make features only people on Threads can see. And so on and so forth. We SHOULD care where the content comes from. Platforms that are neutral should be where our content comes from.
You’re just describing how the fediverse works. One social network that is partially comparable with another network. Like subscribing to pixelated from mastodon, etc. not all features are available, but some are. Not only is there no such thing as a neutral platform, but the decentralization of mastodon and the fediverse in general is specifically to address that.
The danger of meta is their data scraping - something they can already do anyway without their own servers being federated.
I care. If I start seeing content from Meta in the fediverse I’ll probably just leave.
Why? Why are humans who use threads so repulsive to you that you leave an entire federated social network just because some people used a particular server?
Well, that’s what has always been mentioned, defederated from them, AFAIK there’s no way of blocking it completely from the fediverse, so if your instance’s admin wants they can decide to not block them and you can interact with meta.
If your instance defederates and you want to still see their activity then you can choose an instance which is still federated with them.
This is a bad take.
Worth noting that Meta through threads currently plans to collect and monetize the data of all users that it federates with.
That’s actually the most interesting concern I’ve seen raised about this. I hadn’t thought about that. The embrace, extend, extinguish thing is what you see most people raise as a issue.
They don’t need ActivityPub for that. Nearly everything on the fediverse is public and scrapable. If they want to monetize fediverse data, they already can
Meta also doesn’t need to federate in order to do that, since federation just accesses public data.
Because?
Because I don’t want Facebook to get my content, nor do I want their content in my feeds. I joined the fediverse to be as far away from corpos (facebook, twitter, youtube) as possible.
Facebook, and literally anyone else, can already get all your content.
It would take all of a second to scrape your user page. Obviously that wouldn’t grant your IP address or anything, but neither would federation.
Why would they if they want the Fediverse to grow. Gatekeeping is awful.
Infinity grow is a mirage. We need to understand that. It’s fine if a social media as a limit.
What’s important is how you manage to keep it in life. Even here, you have a limit. It’s conservative to think that it will last for ever as you will encontre the same issue as with infinite grow.
The fact is that thing appear, have a lifespan and die. Social media aren’t immune to it.
no help of big company needed for growth
I don’t want the fediverse to grow if it has anything to do with Meta.
Best way to centralize the decentralized network.
Hi. No one is creating content on Threads, can we steal your content, please?
Meh. Threads is quite busy on my feed. I loved chatting during Doctor Who just like I used to when Twitter was around. I use Lemmy, Mastodon, and Threads, personally. I find Threads to be super wholesome and positive and it can only help the Fediverse thrive with mainstream users much like Gmail did with email.
Gmail did with email.
That might be the worst example you could have chosen, given that Gmail is largely responsible for the current technical impossibility of self hosted email.
how is self hosted email impossible? I do it. outlook and thunderbird exist.
Um. I’m not one of those who downvoted you, but are you sure you understand the difference between hosting email, and running a client?
well if you are talking about actually self-hosting a mail server, then gmail didn’t prevent that isp’s did.
and downvotes mean nothing since my instance doesn’t have them.
It had nothing to do with ISPs. Here’s a good writeup on the topic
Lol.
Same, bro, same.
It’s really weird the stuff people here get emotional over.
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I’m not. :)
RIP open and user owned Internet movement attempt.
Say Hello to Fediverse+, for only $39.99 a month you can access ad free browsing as your feed is fed only corpo approved posts that have flooded and drowned out any alternative voices.
I’m don’t totally understand the fediverse and how it works. How does meta making one of their options federated harm the rest of the fediverse?
There is zero benefit to engaging with multi-billion dollar companies.
The harm is they embrace, extend, extinguish the Fediverse and I can easily see the W3C letting them donate and start putting in some features “to protect” the children or media ownership rights or whatever bogus excuse they’ll use to start cracking down on it like every company does every time it gets involved in something.
But then if other instances don’t want those features, isn’t the worst that can happen that instances just de-federate from Threads? I know the history of EEE, but I don’t see how that can even work here.
But then if other instances don’t want those features
In other words, if other instances don’t want to have compatibility with the popular instances – hence the issue.
That’s not really an issue though; or at least, I’m not yet convinced it’s one. We’re here because we don’t want to have compatibility with Reddit, and I’m on Mastodon because I don’t want to have compatibility with Twitter.
We’re here
Are we though? Because it looks like you’re on kbin and I’m on slrpnk.
If either one of our instances decides to implement proprietary features that Threads creates (the second E in EEE) and the other one doesn’t, that could break the experience of us being “here” together.
And we’re free to move to another instance that has the access, or lack thereof, that we want.
Facebook didn’t kill XMPP, how would they kill the existing alternatives?
Facebook didn’t kill XMPP
That’s 'cause Google did.
I still use xmpp.
It is just mostly dead.
Fuck SuckerBurg all my homies hate Suckerburg
I’m all for it. People can defederate if they need to, but I’m all for just letting it happen. If I have friends on threads but I don’t wanna join, cool.
Let’s all tone down the snobbery.
what snobbery
The elitist gatekeeping. Not that “I don’t want to see their content” but instead “I want to prevent anyone from seeing their content”.
It doesn’t seem to be snobbery, the concern is more that big corp with money to throw around muscles their way in and changes what the Fediverse is either through EEE, or just by being bigger
That doesn’t seem to be the concern, or at least it’s expressed in a way that describes how the fediverse is meant to work.
Fuuuuuuuck that.
